@Daveyo520 said:

@Doctorchimp: Some people compete and take most of the fun out of it.

Yes they heavily modify it.Pro-Melee players are weird and play a game that wasn't even slightly intended to be played like that.Nobody plays Halo with rockets only to see who's the most skilled.

@Doctorchimp: I do not hold Street Fighter or other games like it in high regard, nor do I dislike SSB but it is just plain and simple that they are not the same thing. You guys need a reality check. You just want it to be the same thing to make it seem better or as important as if somehow it not being one makes it less so. They want credibility for something they like and will promote it as something it is not. Just let it stand on it's own and try not to compare it to something that is way different.

I'm bored, so indulge me in this question.  What game elements are required to count as a fighting game?Be on a 2d plain strictly?  But Tekken and Soul Calibur allows for movement in all 3 axis so that's not it.  Only be a 1v1?  But games like MvC are also fighters so that's not it.  Be in a game where there are no pickup-able items?  But MK4 has them so that's still not it.The only two that I can think of are having clearly defined HP bars and having a stage be just a flat plane.  That aside from the basic element that all interaction is done via fighting can't be it, can it?Edit: And a clearly defined HP bar can't possibly actually be a requirement either, can it?

Wrestling games and boxing games don't have HP bars, they have stamina bars that, when depleted, make them more succeptable to stronger moves. Sound familiar?

@Doctorchimp: I do not hold Street Fighter or other games like it in high regard, nor do I dislike SSB but it is just plain and simple that they are not the same thing. You guys need a reality check. You just want it to be the same thing to make it seem better or as important as if somehow it not being one makes it less so. They want credibility for something they like and will promote it as something it is not. Just let it stand on it's own and try not to compare it to something that is way different.

I never said it was the same thing....You're the one who has a strict guideline as to what a fighting game has to be. They're both totally different fighting games...that's cool....But yo you punch other dudes with a character that you pick out and he has special moves.That sounds like a fighting game....a game where you fight other players in close quarter combat....

@Doctorchimp said:

I never said it was the same thing....You're the one who has a strict guideline as to what a fighting game has to be. They're both totally different fighting games...that's cool....But yo you punch other dudes with a character that you pick out and he has special moves.That sounds like a fighting game....a game where you fight other players in close quarter combat....

So then by that logic, Dynasty/Samurai Warriors games are fighting games because you can fight other players in close quarters combat and each dude has special moves.

I always thought it was a fighting game. 

@President_Barackbar: Same with Dragon Age.

@Turambar: Two characters facing each other in a small space. What jumping you can do does not let you jump around the level and go everywhere, you are relatively confined to where you can go. No SSB is not the same in that regard, the amount of movement and space are very different. Also the camera is way farther back and not just focused on the two dudes like in these fighting games. The 3d fighters are still on the same level as the 2D ones and don't really let you move that much. You hit the other person with combos not just one button attacks. Yes you can just punch, but the more advanced players do combos. The stuff you can do in SSB does not reach that level of combo and move set. 
I would say that SSB has more in common with Beat 'Em Ups like Streets of Rage then games like SF. You can move all around the levels, use items (while swords and stuff are in fighting games they are part of the character and their moves), and beat people up.

@Doctorchimp: No it does not. We are talking about the fact that you said all a fighting game needs is close quarters fighting and special moves.

@Doctorchimp: Yep, so do both Samurai Warrior games.

@Turambar: Two characters facing each other in a small space. What jumping you can do does not let you jump around the level and go everywhere, you are relatively confined to where you can go. No SSB is not the same in that regard, the amount of movement and space are very different. Also the camera is way farther back and not just focused on the two dudes like in these fighting games. The 3d fighters are still on the same level as the 2D ones and don't really let you move that much. You hit the other person with combos not just one button attacks. Yes you can just punch, but the more advanced players do combos. The stuff you can do in SSB does not reach that level of combo and move set. 
I would say that SSB has more in common with Beat 'Em Ups like Streets of Rage then games like SF. You can move all around the levels, use items (while swords and stuff are in fighting games they are part of the character and their moves), and beat people up.

@Turambar: It's almost like he's just grasping for straws....with no real point...Other than genre definitions are beyond dumb...

Was it ever played at EVO?

Was it ever played at EVO?

@Yanngc33 said:

Was it ever played at EVO?

MK was never played at EVO. Being played at EVO just means wapanese like it.

Of course it is, excellent one too. 

@ryanwho said:

@Yanngc33 said:

Was it ever played at EVO?

MK was never played at EVO. Being played at EVO just means wapanese like it.

...MK is at EVO. Japanese are even entered for it this year.

I agree with @SethPhotopoulos: it's a fighting game, well, I've always thought of it as a platforming-based fighting game, but it's a fighting game none the less. Remember that the depth of a game and your personal opinion on its quality have no bearing on genre classification.

Yes.

It's a game where you pick fighters and fight each other. Yes, it's a fighting game. It doesn't have to have Hadokens to be a fighting game, no matter what the elitists say.

What? Yes.

Stop trolling Kaos. Not that you are capable of that, but I figured I should say it anyway.

It's a kiddy brawler.

I've seen this debate often, and now I want to know what the GB community thinks!Is Smash Bros a proper fighting game?In the same league as BB, SSFIVAE, KoF, GGXX, MvC3, etc...

@KaosAngel said:

I've seen this debate often, and now I want to know what the GB community thinks!Is Smash Bros a proper fighting game?In the same league as BB, SSFIVAE, KoF, GGXX, MvC3, etc...

It's definitely a fighting-game, but since you stipulated whether it should be considered in the same league as that bunch, I'd have to say no.

Smash Bros is a party game. Just like Powerstone. 

@GetEveryone said:

@KaosAngel said:

I've seen this debate often, and now I want to know what the GB community thinks!Is Smash Bros a proper fighting game?In the same league as BB, SSFIVAE, KoF, GGXX, MvC3, etc...

It's definitely a fighting-game, but since you stipulated whether it should be considered in the same league as that bunch, I'd have to say no.

I'm not crazy. He started this topic before like two years ago, didn't he? I also don't know why I'm quoting you.

Yes, it is a fighting game. No, it is not in the same league as Guilty Gear XX #Reload, The King of Fighters XI et cetera.

The people who play it competitively would disagree I bet.

How about you take a spectrum that goes from Street Fighter 2 to Mario Party.
 I'd put Melee right on top of SF2 and brawl on top of Mario Party. Melee is endlessly complex at the highest level. Brawl is much much less so. I wouldnt say "smash" in general is not  a fighter genre. Just the last title the producer SPECIFICALLY took out what made the genre so good at being a fighter. While I could link any tournament in the last 5 years as evidence, I will only link this:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQSMTKhdsDY&feature=related
It takes only 10 seconds of that video and this argument is over. I party game (brawl) doesnt let you chain that

Also, 12:18 should blow your mind. unreal

I think calling it a "fighting game" is an oversimplification since it's so different from a standard fighting game like SF or MK.

Of course it is, what else could you call it? It's a fighting game and you're only letting the fact that it's nintendo characters get in the way of that. It's a fighting game whether anyone likes it or not, but I would understand if it's harder to take serious as a fighter.

It's a fighting game, but only for lack of other definitions.

Its about as much of a fighting game as gears of war is a first person shooter.

Smash Brothers is a competitive action game. Its more like what they used to tack onto 3d brawlers as "vs mode". 

No it's a party game

The reason sub genres exist is so arguments like this don't ever happen. 

How about you take a spectrum that goes from Street Fighter 2 to Mario Party.
 I'd put Melee right on top of SF2 and brawl on top of Mario Party. Melee is endlessly complex at the highest level. Brawl is much much less so. I wouldnt say "smash" in general is not  a fighter genre. Just the last title the producer SPECIFICALLY took out what made the genre so good at being a fighter. While I could link any tournament in the last 5 years as evidence, I will only link this:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQSMTKhdsDY&feature=related
It takes only 10 seconds of that video and this argument is over. I party game (brawl) doesnt let you chain that

Also, 12:18 should blow your mind. unreal

nope its a brawler like final fight or streets of rage.