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    #1  Edited By Stang

    Hey guys, here is the first part in my Ken series, there will be 3+ more covering things such as essential combos as well as ultra setups and gimmicks... I will edit this thread when I make more vids; this vid focuses on kara mechanics. I begin with kara throw, then move to hadoken, then focus, and finally tatsu. The main focus is kara throw of course, sorry if I am vague with respect to the other forms of kara. I do not cover kara srk because it is useless, Ken is not Sagat. At the end I set Ryu to cpu and show different applications for kara throws.
     
    This is my first ever tutorial, I know it is bad. I really did try, so please play nice. Please ask questions if you need more of an explanation. 
     
    I would appreciate it if this thread was left open, as a lot of this does not belong in the beginners thread. 
     
     

     

     Alrighty, here is a series of vids describing the different ways to land both U1 and U2. There are roughly twice as many ways to land U1, U2 showed me that you don't appreciate something till you have something else to compare it to. U2 is garbage compared to U1.
     
    Vid 1 is dedicated to U1, and shows the following setups
     
    srk fadc ultra 
    anti air fierce srk fadc full ultra
    cross up ex tatsu/non cross up air ex tatsu ultra
    jab srk canceled into super into ultra mid screen
    super into ultra corner
    anti air jab dp into ultra
    ex tatsu anti air into ultra
    ex fireball level 2 focus into ultra
    lp srk into ex srk fadc ultra in the corner
     
    Vids 2 is dedicated to U2, and show the following setups
     
    Fireball fadc ultra
    light kick cross up tatsu into ultra 
    cross up ex tatsu/non cross up air ex tatsu into ultra
     jab ultra  
     
     
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    #2  Edited By fwylo

    Get Your Masters in Flowcharting: A Ken Tutorial


    I see what you did there... Sneaky.
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    #3  Edited By Stang

    God damn general bug, can a mod move this please? Thank you.

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    #4  Edited By JJOR64

    Nice stuff.

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    #5  Edited By Luke

    Dude, awesome video!... I hope lots-o people find it useful. 

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    #6  Edited By copycatzen

    good shit. Thanks
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    #7  Edited By jakob187

    SOMEONE, QUICK!  REMAKE THE FLOWCHART TO INCLUDE KARA THROWING!!! 
     
    Great tutorial.  Next time, show some finger movement on the fight stick.

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    @Stang: That kara-hadouken stuff has just blown my mind, I did NOT know you could do that. In Super then, since Ken's start-up is a little faster, couldn't you theoretically use a mix of kara-hadoukens and kara-focuses against say, a tiger shot wall to advance pretty rapidly? I try and incorporate kara-focus as it is, but that would be really helpful.
     
    Edit: Just to say, you can definitely kara-air tatsu with only one button press. I didn't even know it existed before I started messing around with Ken trying to find quirks, but I reckoned that it was like launching something with an engine. I just do the regular jump input, reset to neutral and VERY quickly after dial in tatsu. I only use HK or EX for this though. I can try and make a video, but you can try it out for yourself easily enough.
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    #9  Edited By meteora

    At the rate that I'm sucking, I might as well pick up Ken as one of my mains.  
     
    In other news, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about, but that's okay. =P

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    #10  Edited By Kumo

    I wasn't even aware that Ken had a kara hadouken or a kara focus. That's pretty cool. Good video, Stang.

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    #11  Edited By AndrewJD

    That was better than I expected. Very informative, well done!

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    #12  Edited By Stang
    @jakob187: I have no idea how I could do that technically, just taping the tv is a pain in the ass! Thanks for the suggestion though. 
     
    @GetEveryone: Yeah, the average ken knows nothing about the character they are using, it is no t surprising you have never seen it. It is not something you must know, but it is a nice way to close distance gaps without leaving the ground. Against Sagat I would kara hado and not even bother with kara focuses, that is just me  though.
     
    Not sure what you mean by 1 button kara air tatsu though. Kara is canceling a normal into another move, which is a form of plinking, which by definition requires more then one button press.
     
    @Meteora: Rep that flowchart! No don't actually. Stick with Juri, you have come a long way in only a couple days. Keep using here and make a decision later.
     
    @Kumo: Thank you kind sir.
     
    @mubress: Appreciate it :)
     
    @copycatzen: No problem, hope it helped.
     

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    #13  Edited By Iceman2913

    Kara throwing ftw

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    @Stang: I'll try and record a video with inputs on.
     
    If you just launch Ken with the jump, and early into his ascent dial in HK, he performs exactly the same 'move' as the kara...even if it isn't technically.
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    #15  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Stang said:
    " God damn general bug, can a mod move this please? Thank you. "
    What are you doing to your buttons? The smack some times makes me cringe. 
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    #16  Edited By Stang
    @GetEveryone: Please do, I want to see what you are talking about.
     
    @The_Laughing_Man: I am pushing them, I found out when you push the buttons moves comes out.
     
    Beyond that, I don't know what you are getting at. Sanwa buttons click like that. The camera is a foot away from me, maybe it is because of that. I am simply pressing them, I am not slamming them or anything.
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    #17  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Stang said:
    " @GetEveryone: Please do, I want to see what you are talking about.
     
    @The_Laughing_Man: I am pushing them, I found out when you push the buttons moves comes out.   Beyond that, I don't know what you are getting at. Sanwa buttons click like that. The camera is a foot away from me, maybe it is because of that. I am simply pressing them, I am not slamming them or anything. "
    It sounds like you are smacking them. It must be they click real loud. 
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    #18  Edited By turbomonkey138

    Good tutorial mate . I don't play ken but if i did this would help :D

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    #19  Edited By Stang
    @The_Laughing_Man: I actually like the sound. I will post of a vid of me losing to a masher sometime, then you will be able to hear what it is like when I go ape shit on my fight stick!
     
    @turbomonkey138: Thank you sir :) You know, it is never too late to drop Guile!
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    #20  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Stang said:
    " @The_Laughing_Man: I actually like the sound. I will post of a vid of me losing to a masher sometime, then you will be able to hear what it is like when I go ape shit on my fight stick!
     
    @turbomonkey138: Thank you sir :) You know, it is never too late to drop Guile! "
    Got any tips for Ibuki? I am doing pretty well with her. Or Juri. 
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    #21  Edited By VicRattlehead

    thanks for the sweet tutorial stang.... ill try to learn that kara throw it seems really useful

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    #22  Edited By mrjared

    No Caption Provided
     
    ;)
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    #23  Edited By Stang
    @The_Laughing_Man: Sorry, I don't. I am free with anybody else besides Ken. SpecialBuddy is a jack of all trades, perhaps he could help you out.
     
    @VicRattlehead: Feel free to post here if you need any help.
     
    @MrJared said:
    "
    No Caption Provided
      ;) "
    I can honestly say I am the person the flowchart is based on, at least when I began. I jump back kicked with the best of them. Hell, I still do that! Don't judge me please :)
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    #24  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Stang said:
    " @The_Laughing_Man: Sorry, I don't. I am free with anybody else besides Ken. SpecialBuddy is a jack of all trades, perhaps he could help you out.
     
    @VicRattlehead: Feel free to post here if you need any help.
     
    @MrJared said:
    "
    No Caption Provided
      ;) "
    I can honestly say I am the person the flowchart is based on, at least when I began. I jump back kicked with the best of them. Hell, I still do that! Don't judge me please :) "
    Darn. Maybe I can find a teacher. 
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    @Stang: Right, I've recorded it along with some stupid apartment banter. So I'll try and edit that out, but I don't have a youtube account. Any easier way to show you?
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    #26  Edited By CaptainObvious

    I can dig it, good job. Even if I didn't understand half of it.

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    #27  Edited By Jayzilla

    do you think i need to learn it?

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    #28  Edited By taccyp

    Super helpful tutorial, thanks.

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    #29  Edited By Stang
    @GetEveryone: Sorry, I don't. Maybe upload it to rapidshare or something?
     
    @CaptainObvious: Thank you for watching :)
     
    @Jayzilla: No, you don't have to. If you want to be competitive and hang with higher level people you do though. Kara throwing is the center of Ken's mix up game, it is worth learning.
     
    @TaccyP: No problem, glad I could contribute something :)
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    #30  Edited By yetiantics
    @jakob187:
    Uh? > Is he close? > Yes> Are you Stang? > Yes > KARA THROW!!! > Did he cancel your grab? > Yes > Shit! Now what? > SHORYUKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          
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    #31  Edited By meteora
    @Stang:  I've come a long way, but I've still got a helluva long time to be decent.
     
    Also the Ken CPU is the bane of my existence. Stupid shoryuken spamming...
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    #32  Edited By Sooty

    Kara throwing makes rushdown Ken fun to play, I haven't tried him in super yet.
     
    I hear Adon has a kara throw that has a lot of range, not gotten round to trying it though.

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    #33  Edited By killroycantkill

    Nice thread Stang. You should put this into the Guides section of SSF4 so the thread doesn't get lost.
     
    Edit: Holy crap, Ken seems mad dangerous.... I don't play Ken but I always have trouble with kara anything. I'm trying to learn Makoto and her Kara Karakusa (Command Grab) and that shit is hard. Also just learning on a stick, so it's going to take some time. But I'm determined to get better lol.

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    #34  Edited By ArbitraryWater

    Wow. I understood most of that. Of course, I'm not at the level where I can do any of it, but the stuff with the kara fireballs blew my mind.

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    #35  Edited By Scooper

    Very good!

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    #36  Edited By TheLastNeo

    Great Vid Stang.. that Kara Hado was really awesome to watch.. the way he inches forward like that. 
     
    Amazing stuff dude... !!

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    #37  Edited By demontium
    @Stang said:
    " God damn general bug, can a mod move this please? Thank you. "
    Good, thought that was just happening to me lol.
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    #38  Edited By derO23

    Thanks for the tutorial. Kara throw persistence now > 70% and I'm looking forward to the next video.

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    #39  Edited By Stang

    Thanks for all the comments guys, I am glad that vid is somewhat understandable. Tonight when I get home I will make a vid discusing ways to setup both ultra's, and if there is time, make another vid dedicated to combos and such.

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    #40  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Stang said:
    " Thanks for all the comments guys, I am glad that vid is somewhat understandable. Tonight when I get home I will make a vid discusing ways to setup both ultra's, and if there is time, make another vid dedicated to combos and such. "
    Maybe Ill use ken for a wile. THis is my first SF game. And I can get the hang of the basics with him...Him or Ryu or Guile 
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    #41  Edited By Stang
    @The_Laughing_Man: Sweet. In IV, Ken was the poor man's Ryu....there was no real reason to use him unless you were an idiot like me. In Super, Ken has actually become a viable character. He still may not be as good as Ryu, but he most definitely has the tools to make you competitive. In the end, it comes down to your style. Ken is mixups and rush down, Ryu is zoning and um....boring.
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    #42  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Stang said:
    " @The_Laughing_Man: Sweet. In IV, Ken was the poor man's Ryu....there was no real reason to use him unless you were an idiot like me. In Super, Ken has actually become a viable character. He still may not be as good as Ryu, but he most definitely has the tools to make you competitive. In the end, it comes down to your style. Ken is mixups and rush down, Ryu is zoning and um....boring. "
    Well I enjoy Ibukis and juris fast movement and on very easy I got to seth using Ibuki....but I did not beat  him (ya ya I suck) So I just wanna get the basics down. Then move to the one I wanna main. My biggest issue is the timing of button preses. 
     
    I know nothing about Cancels or anything like that. Just what the trail mode has taught me. 
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    #43  Edited By The_Laughing_Man

    I got a request. Can you make some movies for basic moves? Like for people just starting? Like...cancels and other stuff?  
     
    Showing you put in the commands and explaining? I do not know any of the terms used for the game.

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    #44  Edited By Stang
    @The_Laughing_Man: What kind of cancels are you referring to? FADC? Normal moves into special moves?
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    #45  Edited By The_Laughing_Man
    @Stang said:
    " @The_Laughing_Man: What kind of cancels are you referring to? FADC? Normal moves into special moves? "
    Both. I only know what the game has taught me 
     
    I dont even know FADC is. 
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    #46  Edited By jakob187
    @Stang: I have no idea either, man.  I know jack squat about video editing.  That Gouki fool loltima knows some things, though.  
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    @Stang That was an awesome vid. Don't be so hard on yourself either, you did a pretty good job explaining everything and it was better than a lot of random YouTube tutorials I've seen.
     
    Question: I wouldn't consider myself a beginner, but I've been playing with a pad for the majority of my fighting game career (I'd play in arcades a lot, but I only got serious later on with a SNES pad, then a PS pad, etc...). I've finally gotten myself a stick and I'm still getting the hang of some things. Could you direct me somewhere that explains plinking and piano inputs? Unless you want to try to explain it yourself. I get the gist of it, but some of it escapes me.

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    #48  Edited By Stang
    @The_Laughing_Man:  I will see what I can do, I want to get the ultra and combo vids done first. I have been lagging.
     
    @jakob187: Yeah, I talked to him and it turns out he uses 2 cameras when he does those vids :/
     
    @Rmack: Thanks for the compliment! Ultima, Jeff or Hedgehog would probably know of vids that detail plinking and pianoing, I can't help there. I only plink when I do kara anythings, my links are all single presses so I am not really able to advise with respect to that. I will ask them for links though, hopefully they will see this post and provide some info so I don't have to waste energy actually speaking to them!
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    #49  Edited By Necrotrophic

    i could definitely use a video on plinking as thats something thats just not working right now. so if anyone can help that would be great. i saw a few on yt recently but i dunno its just not sinking in

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    #50  Edited By NevereatNirnroot

    this should be made compulsary reading for any ken srk spammers out there.  
     
    srsly tho cool vid i did not know ken could do half those things.

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