We all know that Ken ended up being a spammers character of choice in SF4, So who's it gonna be for SSF4?
I think it's likely to be Ken again but it's possible Cody, Juri, Dudley, or Ibuki might fall into this role as well. Ibuki spammers will be pretty entertaining if that's the way it goes since she seems like a pretty high skill character to use her correctly.
So what do you guys think?
Super Street Fighter IV
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Super Street Fighter IV is a standalone update to its predecessor, adding new characters, modes, and online features.
So who's the new flow chart online character gonna be?
" Juri and T. Hawk. Juri has easy to execute moves that can do massive damage, or hit a bunch of times, and T. Hawk has some stupidly powerful moves, command grabs and that stupid air attack. I can see both being used to spam moves. "The thing is, with spam characters they have do have insanely high priority that you can easily do over and over again. T.Hawk is rarely used in SSFIIHDR, and I think that's how it'll stay.
I think either Ken or Sagat.
" @Napalm said:Uh, we're not in the HD Remix board..." Juri and T. Hawk. Juri has easy to execute moves that can do massive damage, or hit a bunch of times, and T. Hawk has some stupidly powerful moves, command grabs and that stupid air attack. I can see both being used to spam moves. "The thing is, with spam characters they have do have insanely high priority that you can easily do over and over again. T.Hawk is rarely used in SSFIIHDR, and I think that's how it'll stay. I think either Ken or Sagat. "
" @Napalm said:You do realize that day of Sagat is over, correct? He is no longer God tier, all the high tier scrubs are going to move to Dudley or Juri depending how she plays. Ken's will be rare, most of them will be people like me who have used him since the beginning of IV, or Ryu scrubs who are frustrated with Ryu's nerfs. I highly doubt there will me masses of shit Ken's this time around." Juri and T. Hawk. Juri has easy to execute moves that can do massive damage, or hit a bunch of times, and T. Hawk has some stupidly powerful moves, command grabs and that stupid air attack. I can see both being used to spam moves. "The thing is, with spam characters they have do have insanely high priority that you can easily do over and over again. T.Hawk is rarely used in SSFIIHDR, and I think that's how it'll stay. I think either Ken or Sagat. "
" @Napalm: I know we're not, it's just that Ken scrubs appeared in SSFIIHDR and in SFIV. From the small data we have, it just seems that the same trend will follow from SSFIIHDR to SSFIV. I've never played a T. Hawk online on SSFIIHDR, so I don't think I'll play one in SSFIV. "I don't know how little of HD Remix you played, but in a couple days I fought at least four or fives T. Hawks who all exploited the shit out of his attacks. And my comment about the HD Remix forum was coming from that you can't expect the HD Remix characters to play like their IV counterpart. Switching from IV Guile to HD Remix Guile was the most mind-boggling and frustrating switch I've ever made.
My boy is now a legitimate contender. Watch out sons.
" @Napalm: That is why I said frustrated Ryu scrubs may make the transition. Ken did not get any nerfs, only buffs. Invincible fierce srk, faster sweep, slightly faster plasma, more damage off srk fadc ultra....he will be the new Ryu. And I love it. My boy is now a legitimate contender. Watch out sons. "Not sure why you're happier about a shitton of buffs, especially for a character who was so widely abused in IV. If Guile got buffed to top tier, I'd actually be pissed because his barrier to entry would be much lower, and a lot of scrubby players would use him to score some free damage. I'm all for a couple of buffs to make a character better, but I'm not a huge fan of characters making huge jumps up the ladder.
Shitty players cannot kara throw.
Shitty players cannot fadc ultra, especially with Ken. Out of all the characters, his requires the quickest inputs.
Shitty players will not be able to combo into the sweep, I am sure that is a one frame link.
In general, shitty players do not understand footsies, spacing, or mind games. These 3 are more important than anything else.
Only have to worry about the mashers. They are easy enough to deal with though.
Ken still. And maybe Dudley too.
I mean, he has an srk ( that links to ultra..) , a counter move (we've all seen scrubby gouken's who spam this), a dash punch type move which hits from pretty far away. and great priority normals (I expect to see a lot of Dudley's j.hk, that thing stuffed a lot of antiairs in 3s). Plus he's cool, and that's what most of the flowcharters want, a cool and easy to play character.
Scrubby Gouken's who 'spam'?" Ken still. And maybe Dudley too. I mean, he has an srk ( that links to ultra..) , a counter move (we've all seen scrubby gouken's who spam this), a dash punch type move which hits from pretty far away. and great priority normals (I expect to see a lot of Dudley's j.hk, that thing stuffed a lot of antiairs in 3s). Plus he's cool, and that's what most of the flowcharters want, a cool and easy to play character. "
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
Even if Dudley ends up being on the flowchart list, it won't stop me from using him. He's been my favorite character since 3.
For all those that are saying dudley, here's my case why it won't be.
Dudley may be the new god tier, but every single report does indicate he's god tier only when he gets in close much like Rufus on crack, since he's got nothing far away.
Sagat was god tier (both zone and up close game), but he wasn't the flow chart master like Ken was.
Even the Gief Lariet spinners had thier own flowchart following but it was never as big as Ken's flowchart nation.
So why would Ken's flowchart be the king once again?
When you do the move, you set the other guy on FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
" I might learn Dudley... "Go for it, I'm not saying he's a bad character. I just think he's going to be really popular among new players. I look forward to trying him myself.
@Stang said:
" @AniMoney: Ken is easy to play? Can I have some of that crack you are smoking? "I'm talking about low level play where people just want to do special moves that do damage. You know Ken is a popular choice for those beginner players. Ken isn't easy to play at high levels, I know that. And no this is my crack, buy your own.
@SuperSecretAgenda said:
" @AniMoney said:Dude I read Playing to Win over a year ago. I'm not complaining about Gouken's counter move, in fact I have little trouble dealing with it. I'm just saying there are some bad Gouken players online who see counter as a get out of jail free card(much like an srk) and spam it thinking it's going to work without fail. If I let this beat me then it's my own damn fault and I wouldn't complain about it. I'm just saying it's something I've seen online among (usually bad and inexperienced) Goukens that i expect to see with some Dudley players because he has a similar move.Scrubby Gouken's who 'spam'? http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html "" Ken still. And maybe Dudley too. I mean, he has an srk ( that links to ultra..) , a counter move (we've all seen scrubby gouken's who spam this), a dash punch type move which hits from pretty far away. and great priority normals (I expect to see a lot of Dudley's j.hk, that thing stuffed a lot of antiairs in 3s). Plus he's cool, and that's what most of the flowcharters want, a cool and easy to play character. "
jeez, sf4 forum is ticked off today
" @AniMoney said:No need to look to deep into what he's saying there. He's saying scrubby gouken's use the counter move whenever you get close to them, and it never works.Scrubby Gouken's who 'spam'? http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html "" Ken still. And maybe Dudley too. I mean, he has an srk ( that links to ultra..) , a counter move (we've all seen scrubby gouken's who spam this), a dash punch type move which hits from pretty far away. and great priority normals (I expect to see a lot of Dudley's j.hk, that thing stuffed a lot of antiairs in 3s). Plus he's cool, and that's what most of the flowcharters want, a cool and easy to play character. "
Probably Ken still. Dudley will probably draw a lot of attention.
I hesitate to say Juri because I really wanna learn her in SSFIV :/
" hopefully E.Honda because just the thought of a flowchart Honda is unsettling. "Honda flowchart eh...
Fight!
Step 1: Full screen Headbutt! Did it hit?
No: Go to Step 1
Yes: OCHIO!!!
Step 2: Did you throw em?
No: Go to Step 1
Yes: OCHIO!!!
Step 3: Did you win?
No: Send hate mail blaming lag.
Yes: Send mail asking if your opponent wants to get a bite to eat.
Aware it's not a flowchart but, too lazy to open paint.
" @ImperiousRix: Well my 2 top interests for super are Cody and Juri and people are saying both will be popular noob characters. "Juri I can definitely see with those Pinwheel kicks, people (including myself) are gonna abuse those things. Cody seems like he takes a lot more finesse to play, and people will probably get frustrated with him early and move to an easier character.
" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE!
" @Stang said:Hey nice boobs." @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE! "
" @Stang said:" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE! "
@Jeffsekai said:
" @lordofultima said:" @Stang said:Hey nice boobs. "" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE! "
Haha, well played.
" @lordofultima said:Super Banned" @Stang said:Hey nice boobs. "" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE! "
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