So who's the new flow chart online character gonna be?

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#1 Posted by TheUnsane1 (14 posts) -

We all know that Ken ended up being a spammers character of choice in SF4, So who's it gonna be for SSF4?
  
I think it's likely to be Ken again but it's possible Cody, Juri, Dudley, or Ibuki might fall into this role as well.   Ibuki spammers will be pretty entertaining if that's the way it goes since she seems like a pretty high skill character to use her correctly.
 
So what do you guys think?

#2 Posted by animateria (3266 posts) -

Ken. He's the flowchart master.
 
Others might follow but you can't beat Ken Masters.

#3 Posted by Scooper (7881 posts) -

Vega.

#4 Posted by YetiAntics (1493 posts) -

Ken will forever be flowchart
#5 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -

Me.

#6 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

Juri and T. Hawk. Juri has easy to execute moves that can do massive damage, or hit a bunch of times, and T. Hawk has some stupidly powerful moves, command grabs and that stupid air attack. I can see both being used to spam moves.

#7 Posted by dbz1995 (4790 posts) -
@Napalm said:
" Juri and T. Hawk. Juri has easy to execute moves that can do massive damage, or hit a bunch of times, and T. Hawk has some stupidly powerful moves, command grabs and that stupid air attack. I can see both being used to spam moves. "
The thing is, with spam characters they have do have insanely high priority that you can easily do over and over again. T.Hawk is rarely used in SSFIIHDR, and I think that's how it'll stay.
 I think either Ken or Sagat.
#8 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@dbz1995 said:
" @Napalm said:
" Juri and T. Hawk. Juri has easy to execute moves that can do massive damage, or hit a bunch of times, and T. Hawk has some stupidly powerful moves, command grabs and that stupid air attack. I can see both being used to spam moves. "
The thing is, with spam characters they have do have insanely high priority that you can easily do over and over again. T.Hawk is rarely used in SSFIIHDR, and I think that's how it'll stay.  I think either Ken or Sagat. "
Uh, we're not in the HD Remix board...
#9 Posted by StaticFalconar (4850 posts) -

Ken more than ever since his F. DP has full invincibility frames

#10 Posted by Hunkulese (2875 posts) -

Ken is more popular because he is Ken than because of his moveset.

#11 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@dbz1995 said:
" @Napalm said:
" Juri and T. Hawk. Juri has easy to execute moves that can do massive damage, or hit a bunch of times, and T. Hawk has some stupidly powerful moves, command grabs and that stupid air attack. I can see both being used to spam moves. "
The thing is, with spam characters they have do have insanely high priority that you can easily do over and over again. T.Hawk is rarely used in SSFIIHDR, and I think that's how it'll stay.  I think either Ken or Sagat. "
You do realize that day of Sagat is over, correct? He is no longer God tier, all the high tier scrubs are going to move to Dudley or Juri depending how she plays. Ken's will be rare, most of them will be people like me who have used him since the beginning of IV, or Ryu scrubs who are frustrated with Ryu's nerfs. I highly doubt there will me masses of shit Ken's this time  around.
#12 Posted by dbz1995 (4790 posts) -
@Napalm:  I know we're not, it's just that Ken scrubs appeared in SSFIIHDR and in SFIV. From the small data we have, it just seems that the same trend will follow from SSFIIHDR to SSFIV. I've never played a T. Hawk online on SSFIIHDR, so I don't think I'll play one in SSFIV.
#13 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@Stang: Ryu got nerfed more than Ken did. SRK priority is lowered a little bit and they have more start up frames. It seems they are making this game less casual-friendly, and balancing the exploitations you saw a lot in medium-level play (us). I'm all for this, because this means Sagat players will actually need to learn some shit, and Ryu players will have to earn their wins like the lower tier character had to for IV.
#14 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@dbz1995 said:
" @Napalm:  I know we're not, it's just that Ken scrubs appeared in SSFIIHDR and in SFIV. From the small data we have, it just seems that the same trend will follow from SSFIIHDR to SSFIV. I've never played a T. Hawk online on SSFIIHDR, so I don't think I'll play one in SSFIV. "
I don't know how little of HD Remix you played, but in a couple days I fought at least four or fives T. Hawks who all exploited the shit out of his attacks. And my comment about the HD Remix forum was coming from that you can't expect the HD Remix characters to play like their IV counterpart. Switching from IV Guile to HD Remix Guile was the most mind-boggling and frustrating switch I've ever made.
#15 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@Napalm: That is why I said frustrated Ryu scrubs may make the transition. Ken did not get any nerfs, only buffs. Invincible fierce srk, faster sweep, slightly faster plasma, more damage off srk fadc ultra....he will be the new Ryu. And I love it. 
 
My boy is now a legitimate contender. Watch out sons.
#16 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @Napalm: That is why I said frustrated Ryu scrubs may make the transition. Ken did not get any nerfs, only buffs. Invincible fierce srk, faster sweep, slightly faster plasma, more damage off srk fadc ultra....he will be the new Ryu. And I love it.   My boy is now a legitimate contender. Watch out sons. "
Not sure why you're happier about a shitton of buffs, especially for a character who was so widely abused in IV. If Guile got buffed to top tier, I'd actually be pissed because his barrier to entry would be much lower, and a lot of scrubby players would use him to score some free damage. I'm all for a couple of buffs to make a character better, but I'm not a huge fan of characters making huge jumps up the ladder.
#17 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@Napalm: 
 
Shitty players cannot kara throw.
Shitty players cannot fadc ultra, especially with Ken. Out of all the characters, his requires the quickest inputs.
Shitty players will not be able to combo into the sweep, I am sure that is a one frame link. 
In general, shitty players do not understand footsies, spacing, or mind games. These 3 are more important than anything else.
 
Only have to worry about the mashers. They are easy enough to deal with though.
#18 Posted by lordofultima (6288 posts) -

It will still be Ken, I guarantee it. Cody will be a nice second.

#19 Posted by demontium (4710 posts) -
@Stang said:

" Me. "

    
 
CAPCOM answered it for you.
#20 Posted by AniMoney (957 posts) -

Ken still. And maybe Dudley too.  
 
I mean, he has an srk ( that links to ultra..) , a counter move (we've all seen scrubby gouken's who spam this), a dash punch type move which hits from pretty far away. and great priority normals (I expect to see a lot of Dudley's j.hk, that thing stuffed a lot of antiairs in 3s). Plus he's cool, and that's what most of the flowcharters want, a cool and easy to play character. 

#21 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -

I might learn Dudley...

#22 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@AniMoney: Ken is easy to play? Can I have some of that crack you are smoking?
#23 Posted by SuperSecretAgenda (696 posts) -
@AniMoney said:

" Ken still. And maybe Dudley too.   I mean, he has an srk ( that links to ultra..) , a counter move (we've all seen scrubby gouken's who spam this), a dash punch type move which hits from pretty far away. and great priority normals (I expect to see a lot of Dudley's j.hk, that thing stuffed a lot of antiairs in 3s). Plus he's cool, and that's what most of the flowcharters want, a cool and easy to play character.  "

Scrubby Gouken's who 'spam'?
 
 http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
#24 Posted by Rmack (1078 posts) -

Even if Dudley ends up being on the flowchart list, it won't stop me from using him. He's been my favorite character since 3.

#25 Posted by StaticFalconar (4850 posts) -

For all those that are saying dudley, here's my case why it won't be.  
 
Dudley may be the new god tier, but every single report does indicate he's god tier only when he gets in close much like Rufus on crack, since he's got nothing far away.  
 
Sagat was god tier (both zone and up close game), but he wasn't the flow chart master like Ken was.  
Even the Gief Lariet spinners had thier own flowchart following but it was never as big as Ken's flowchart nation.  
 
 
So why would Ken's flowchart be the king once again? 
 
 
When you do the move, you set the other guy on FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

#26 Posted by AniMoney (957 posts) -
@Napalm said:
" I might learn Dudley... "
Go for it, I'm not saying he's a bad character. I just think he's going to be really popular among new players. I look forward to trying him myself.
 
@Stang said:
" @AniMoney: Ken is easy to play? Can I have some of that crack you are smoking? "
I'm talking about low level play where people just want to do special moves that do damage. You know Ken is a popular choice for those beginner players. Ken isn't easy to play at high levels, I know that. And no this is my crack, buy your own. 
 
@SuperSecretAgenda said:
" @AniMoney said:

" Ken still. And maybe Dudley too.   I mean, he has an srk ( that links to ultra..) , a counter move (we've all seen scrubby gouken's who spam this), a dash punch type move which hits from pretty far away. and great priority normals (I expect to see a lot of Dudley's j.hk, that thing stuffed a lot of antiairs in 3s). Plus he's cool, and that's what most of the flowcharters want, a cool and easy to play character.  "

Scrubby Gouken's who 'spam'?   http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html "
Dude I read Playing to Win over a year ago. I'm not complaining about Gouken's counter move, in fact I have little trouble dealing with it. I'm just saying there are some bad Gouken players online who see counter as a get out of jail free card(much like an srk) and spam it thinking it's going to work without fail. If I let this beat me then it's my own damn fault and I wouldn't complain about it. I'm just saying it's something I've seen online among (usually bad and inexperienced) Goukens that i expect to see with some Dudley players because he has a similar move. 
 
jeez, sf4 forum is ticked off today
#27 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@AniMoney said:
"

 jeez, sf4 forum is ticked off today "
Yeah, our periods have finally synchronized : /
#28 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @AniMoney said:
" jeez, sf4 forum is ticked off today "
Yeah, our periods have finally synchronized : / "
Speak for yourself, you girl.
 
Also, corrected your failquote.
#29 Posted by lordofultima (6288 posts) -
@SuperSecretAgenda said:
" @AniMoney said:

" Ken still. And maybe Dudley too.   I mean, he has an srk ( that links to ultra..) , a counter move (we've all seen scrubby gouken's who spam this), a dash punch type move which hits from pretty far away. and great priority normals (I expect to see a lot of Dudley's j.hk, that thing stuffed a lot of antiairs in 3s). Plus he's cool, and that's what most of the flowcharters want, a cool and easy to play character.  "

Scrubby Gouken's who 'spam'?   http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html "
No need to look to deep into what he's saying there. He's saying scrubby gouken's use the counter move whenever you get close to them, and it never works.
#30 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@Napalm: I TRIED TO DELETE THAT BLOCK YOU JERK!!!
 
 
:(
#31 Edited by Napalm (9020 posts) -

This is what I was talking about amateur T. Hawk's spamming that stupid dive attack. Granted, both players suck, and it seems the dive can be anti-air'd if the attack is quick enough, in this case, a Flash Kick:  clicky! Also, Sonic Hurricane and Double Flash Super work as well.

#32 Posted by Ninjalaw (26 posts) -

Ken may still be up there, but I'm looking for Juri to be the new flowchart TBH.

#33 Posted by ImperiousRix (2963 posts) -

Probably Ken still.  Dudley will probably draw a lot of attention. 
I hesitate to say Juri because I really wanna learn her in SSFIV :/

#34 Posted by Ninjalaw (26 posts) -
@ImperiousRix:
Honestly, I think there are going to be more than 1 new flowchart. I'm thinking Hakan as well, just because of his 69 ultra setup. (Can't remember the name of it lol) It'll put a quick end to the players that like to do nothing but jump back and forth all day.
#35 Posted by CanadianBaconX (170 posts) -

Flowchart Gen! Totally gonna happen! Totally...

#36 Posted by MasturbatingBear (1781 posts) -

hopefully E.Honda because just the thought of a flowchart Honda is unsettling.

#37 Posted by TheUnsane1 (14 posts) -
@ImperiousRix:  Well my 2 top interests for super are Cody and Juri and people are saying both will be popular noob characters.
#38 Posted by onimonkii (2467 posts) -

flowchart blankas

#39 Posted by CanadianBaconX (170 posts) -
@MasturbatingBear said:
" hopefully E.Honda because just the thought of a flowchart Honda is unsettling. "
Honda flowchart eh... 
 
Fight! 
 
Step 1: Full screen Headbutt! Did it hit? 
No: Go to Step 1
Yes: OCHIO!!!
 
Step 2: Did you throw em? 
No:  Go to Step 1
Yes: OCHIO!!!  
 
Step 3: Did you win? 
No: Send hate mail blaming lag.
Yes: Send mail asking if your opponent wants to get a bite to eat.
 
Aware it's not a flowchart but, too lazy to open paint.
#40 Posted by ImperiousRix (2963 posts) -
@TheUnsane1 said:
" @ImperiousRix:  Well my 2 top interests for super are Cody and Juri and people are saying both will be popular noob characters. "
Juri I can definitely see with those Pinwheel kicks, people (including myself) are gonna abuse those things.  Cody seems like he takes a lot more finesse to play, and people will probably get frustrated with him early and move to an easier character.
#41 Posted by jaycee13 (523 posts) -

I think for a flowchart the character needs a fast, high priority and high damage move along with a fireball. I think juri's pinwheel kicks fit in here. Dudleys dp supposedly has the least priority of any other dp in the game.

#42 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@jaycee13: Ken has the weakest fierce dp in IV. Flowchart encompasses more then spamming fists of fire.
#43 Posted by jaycee13 (523 posts) -
@Stang: Yeah it includes jumping and fireballs too.
#44 Posted by Napalm (9020 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @jaycee13: Ken has the weakest fierce dp in IV. Flowchart encompasses more then spamming fists of fire. "
I don't believe this. That two-hit punch attack he does with a fierce ex SRK is fucking damaging.
#45 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@Napalm: Lrn2SFIV
 
Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart.
#46 Posted by lordofultima (6288 posts) -
@Stang said:
" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV  Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "
This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE!
#47 Posted by Jeffsekai (7058 posts) -
@lordofultima said:
" @Stang said:
" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV  Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "
This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE! "
Hey nice boobs.
#48 Posted by KingBroly (1645 posts) -

Juri, T-Hawk and Deejay for the first few days.  Then it will revert to Ken again.

#49 Posted by Stang (4726 posts) -
@lordofultima said:
" @Stang said:
" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV  Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "
This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE! "
 
@Jeffsekai said:
" @lordofultima said:
" @Stang said:
" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV  Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "
This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE! "
Hey nice boobs. "

 
Haha, well played.
#50 Posted by lordofultima (6288 posts) -
@Jeffsekai said:
" @lordofultima said:
" @Stang said:
" @Napalm: Lrn2SFIV  Ken has the least damaging fierce srk. His medium punch srk is his most damaging normal srk. His ex srk is the most powerful in the game, but that has nothing to do with being flowchart. "
This is like Deja Vu 7 months ago or something. Is this Quantum Leap, DID I MATERIALIZE AS A WOMAN OR SOMETHING?! I BETTER NOT HAVE! "
Hey nice boobs. "
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