Let's Talk - Making Superman Playable Without Making It Easy

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#1 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -

Wanted to title this "Yo Bitches - Let's Make A Superman Game, You Whores", but due to the new TOS we aren't allowed to do it...whatever though, this has been on my mind while I was playing Gran Turismo 5.   
 
Let's talk, Superman is not a normal superhero.  He is THE superhero.  He is unbeatable, he is the savior of all heroes, he is the human that all of us strive to be.  He is beyond the scope of our imaginations, and because of that we have struggled to truly make him relatable... because in a way, he is completely not-relatable. 
 
His powers are limitless, and is weakness is one.  His weakness is also so rare that very few would be able to use it, and if they used it in an absurd way...it would be stupid...as shown in the later Superman movies.   
 
I don't know how many here have read the novel "Kingdom Come" but it sums of what Superman is.  He stops fighting for years after the Joker nuked the fuck out of a city and he lost everyone he loved.  Over the years the Superheroes fought and Superman hid, he ignored it all.  He finally couldn't take it and conquered all the evil, he stood up for man and retook his honors of being humanity's savior.  He finished the war in minutes...a war that had been going on for years.   
 
That is the power he has.  Even in the comics, he has won every battle...he cannot die.  Even with his "death", he faked it so he could understand how to win.   
 
So, all of you have played games for years...tell everyone how you'd make Superman relatable in a video game.   
 

Turn The Savior Into A Human 
#2 Posted by Icemael (6312 posts) -

You put him in a Dragon Ball Z game.

#3 Posted by RsistncE (4496 posts) -

Are you drunk?

#4 Posted by Conker (770 posts) -
@Icemael said:
" You put him in a Dragon Ball Z game. "
#5 Posted by Gabriel (4055 posts) -

You make him a boss in a Batman game, not playable.

#6 Posted by ThePaleKing (613 posts) -

Make his powers stunted, as a story element. 

#7 Posted by MooseyMcMan (10475 posts) -
@Conker said:
" @Icemael said:
" You put him in a Dragon Ball Z game. "
"
#8 Posted by Afroman269 (7387 posts) -

incase him in a kryptonite suit and the unlockables is having parts of the krypto suit coming off. 

#9 Posted by Toms115 (2316 posts) -

make his weakness easier to exploit. the more vulnerable he is the less likely you are to think of what a terrible character he is.

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#10 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@Icemael said:
" You put him in a Dragon Ball Z game. "
Even in DBZ he'd be overpowered.  Superman can go into space, doesn't need air, and can't die from energy attacks.  He doesn't need Super Sayin...because he's beyond that level. 
 
@ThePaleKing said:
" Make his powers stunted, as a story element.  "
That is a really bad cop-out.   
 
@Gabriel said:
" You make him a boss in a Batman game, not playable. "
Thinking outside the box!  Making him non-playable!
#11 Posted by MrKlorox (11206 posts) -

I'd rather play a Lex Luthor.

#12 Posted by xyzygy (9893 posts) -

He ain't human, bro.

#13 Posted by Brians (1458 posts) -

Put him in Carbonite and make a game with Magneto.

#14 Posted by captainanderson (258 posts) -

Make him fly through a series of rings.

#15 Posted by FreezingVibrations (39 posts) -

Magic. Superman must fight a cult of wizards trying to resurrect a dark god.

#16 Posted by Slaker117 (4835 posts) -

Superman is probably the lamest super hero out there. Any game with the DC license should just be about Batman. He's really their only interesting character.

#17 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@MrKlorox said:
" I'd rather play a Lex Luthor. "
That's thinking outside the box too!  Trying to take down Superman, but you'd always lose...so there's no incentive.  >.> 
 
@FreezingVibrations said:
" Magic. Superman must fight a cult of wizards trying to resurrect a dark god. "
That works too, but at the end Superman would be able to block most of it off.  :|
#18 Posted by Gabriel (4055 posts) -
@MrKlorox said:
" I'd rather play a Lex Luthor. "
Word, I'd love an actual good supervilian game thats not shit like evil genius
#19 Posted by Animasta (14648 posts) -

maybe make it psychological? you can't hurt his body, but you can hurt his MIND

#20 Edited by MrKlorox (11206 posts) -

There's also the whole "infinite earths" thing. What about a "good" Lex Luthor taking down an evil Superman? 
 
Or Superman versus various evil incarnations of himself and other heroes. Teaming up with alternate universe "good" versions of his nemeses in the process.

#21 Posted by Icemael (6312 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
" @Icemael said:
" You put him in a Dragon Ball Z game. "
Even in DBZ he'd be overpowered.  Superman can go into space, doesn't need air, and can't die from energy attacks.  He doesn't need Super Sayin...because he's beyond that level. "
There are like four Super Sayin levels though. It's been quite a while since I read Dragon Ball, and I don't know anything about GT, but didn't it reach a point where pretty much all the major characters could teleport, return from the dead, and had the power to destroy the galaxy? And, like, fuse with each other to become even stronger?
#22 Posted by bartok (2422 posts) -

I hate how people shit on Superman sorry he isn't a billionaire with deep psychological issues or breaks the 4th wall and randomly says "Chimichanga".  Read All-Star Superman and Batman/Superman is a consistently good comic.   
Anyway the Metroidvania style game where Superman gradually gets his powers seems kinda like a cop out.  Though if they were to go that route I would just have numerous satellite dishes that are turning the rays from the Sun red so after each dish is destroyed Superman gets a little more powerful.  Personally I think it is impossible to make a decent Superman game.

#23 Posted by rjayb89 (7717 posts) -

Make it a dating simulator. Control Superman as he maintains a healthy relationship while fighting crime!

#24 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@Icemael: Even with the DBZ guys having all that, Superman can do it too and do it without flinching.  The energy blasts wouldn't even scratch him. 
 
@bartok said:
"  Personally I think it is impossible to make a decent Superman game. "
People have been saying that about Superman media as a whole and now Christopher Nolan is out to prove them wrong, as he's making the next Superman movie.  Again, it's unproven thus far...and it's insane that the world's first superhero has yet to have decent media outside of comics.  What makes him so unique?
#25 Edited by SlightConfuse (3963 posts) -

make it a game where it takes place in the "4th world" he has to battle through apkolpse and the last boss is darkside. 
  
I would through in warworld and braniac some where was well.

#26 Posted by Icemael (6312 posts) -
@KaosAngel: They have non-energy attacks, you know. And doesn't Superman get his power from the yellow sun? What if they blow it up?
#27 Posted by Animasta (14648 posts) -
@KaosAngel: he barely has any flaws, and that shit doesn't fly with people who don't read comic books?
#28 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@Icemael: The DBZ guys need the sun too though.  Would be a sweet fight though, SSJ4 Gogeto vs. Superman...they'd blow up planets with their breaths.  
#29 Posted by waitwhat (251 posts) -
@Icemael:  it doesn't matter. there are three great american truths and here they are: the flag is red, white, and blue, elvis is king, and superman does not lose.
#30 Posted by MrKlorox (11206 posts) -
@rjayb89 said:
" Make it a dating simulator. Control Superman as he maintains a healthy relationship while fighting crime! "

Do you think her fallopian tubes can handle the sperm?
I guarantee you he blows a load like a shotgun right through her back.

#31 Posted by laserfrog (154 posts) -

A game where you play as Clark Kent trying to live your everyday life. But you have to be careful not to let slip that you are actually superman. Your superman tights were ruined in the tumble dryer so you have to walk around in your normal clothes and you must stop a series of unfortunate accidents without your true identity being known.

#32 Posted by MrKlorox (11206 posts) -
@laserfrog:  So like Octodad with a DC license?
#33 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@laserfrog: ...that defeats the purpose of Superman.  Plus he tights wouldn't be ruined as they are a fabric from Krypton.  >.>
#34 Posted by laserfrog (154 posts) -
@MrKlorox:
He'd walk just like octodad as well 
@KaosAngel: No, no he knitted these tights himself from wool, making them not tights at all. He was a bit absent minded putting them in the tumble dryer but it happens to the best of us.
#35 Posted by SSully (4125 posts) -

Fuck playing as superman, it would be so hard to make him a fun playable character. I rather him be a guest star in like a batman game or something. Maybe at like the begining of Arkam City batman is talking to superman saying how he could really use his help on this one, but superman denys saying how he is busy with other stuff blah blah blah batman is more then capable. Then near the end of the game you are getting your shit wrecked as batman, you are outnumbered, and near death, and lets just the joker is on top of you about to cut your throat with a knife. Then all of a sudden you see a red beam go through the jokers neck and his head falls off, you get up and see superman just beating the living shit out of all of the jokers goons while you get up and join him in the fray. Then some story stuff gets tied or and the credits roll. 

#36 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@SSully: That would work better in a movie to be honest.  The suspense of waiting for Superman to save the day.  Also Superman never kills.  >.>
#37 Posted by bartok (2422 posts) -
@KaosAngel: 
I love Superman in the comics and the first two Superman movies were pretty good.   The problem with Superman in game form is that he is pretty much unstoppable except against Kryptonite, magic, psychics, and super villains like Darkseid.  Not only that but you have to make a character that has super strength, flight, super speed, heat vision, and ice breath.  Most games feature characters with one or two of those powers not all of them and if the Iron Man video games taught us anything it is hard to make a game with a dude that can fly.
#38 Edited by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

Superman has like 20 villains that can fly and have superstrength, and they can knock him out. So just give him a life bar. 
And people thinking he should be an emo eccentric millionare who dresses like a bat to be more "relatable", don't be stupid.

#39 Posted by SSully (4125 posts) -
@KaosAngel said:
" @SSully: That would work better in a movie to be honest.  The suspense of waiting for Superman to save the day.  Also Superman never kills.  >.> "
Haha yeah i suppose it would. Also ik, i just was always bothered about heat vision that didnt just obliterate guys, kind of like light sabers that don't dismember in star wars games.
#40 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@bartok said:
"Most games feature characters with one or two of those powers not all of them and if the Iron Man video games taught us anything it is hard to make a game with a dude that can fly. "
Iron Man doesn't fly though, he just uses jets to hover and shit.  Superman can fly faster than light, and the flight controls can be like an Ace Combat game.  It's true that Superman can do everything, so maybe the game can be an open world with him saving people from daily things.  He has to be quick though, like in inFAMOUS' later levels.   
 
It's so damn funny, the superhero that inspired all others is impossible to make into a game.  Everyone else had their proper or semi-decent game.  Only the man of steel is left. 
 
@ryanwho: He just has to look at the sun and get his strength back, or he'd just regain it over time.  >.>
#41 Posted by AckbarTheGreat (419 posts) -

You could do it Smallville style with a young Clark Kent going through super puberty and gradually gaining powers.

#42 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@KaosAngel: K. But he gets knocked out in the comics. So there's your out. He can regenerate or whatever, okay, but if the lifebar hits zero he's "knocked out" and you lose. Its not that hard.
#43 Posted by KaosAngel (13765 posts) -
@AckbarTheGreat said:
" You could do it Smallville style with a young Clark Kent going through super puberty and gradually gaining powers. "
That would just be inFAMOUS but with Superman...yet that strangely works without copping out.  Plus the excitement of gaining new powers over time, but the problem of immortality remains.  
#44 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11476 posts) -

And thus we reach the ultimate conundrum of why Superman is lame: He's unbeatable, can do anything, and has a single weakness that is exploited over and over again by his enemies. Thus, saying that, I have an even harder time thinking of a way to make him into an interesting game character. I guess you could make a smallvile game where you awkwardly act your way through high school (despite being like 30) and have to navigate through dialog trees in order to, once again, assure your best buddy Lex Luthor that you don't have a secret and all your monster of the week classmates didn't actually just spit fire out of their mouths before you beat the hell out of them and they were shipped of to an asylum. Also, you spend half the game without your shirt on.
 
Know who is the only cool DC superhero? Batman. Maybe you have heard of him. Everyone else in that universe is hella lame.

#45 Edited by MatPaget (1113 posts) -
@KaosAngel:  
The Death and Return of Superman is a great game. Just getting that out of the way. 
 
I think that if it were like Resident Evil 4/5, in the fact that if you fuck up on something (like your partner dies), then you "die". 
 
Like let's say Superman doesn't actually "die" in the game unless he is being attacked with kryptonite infused weapons, but for an example of what can "game over" Superman: he is wrestling with a plane that's going to crash and you don't push the right buttons or do the right thing and then it crashes and everyone in the plane dies. And then a title screen comes up 
 
"Everyone is dead" 
 
Truthfully, that would make me laugh seeing those words on the screen, but I honestly think it could work. 
If let's say you run out of health it says "You failed to save earth. Everyone is dead" 
 Then you don't die, you're just a fucking terrible Superman
#46 Posted by alexl86 (620 posts) -

There are several hurdles in making a good Superman game that must be dealt with, most of which have already been mentioned.
 
First of all, he's always flying. If the flying sucks, the game will suck. If the flying mechanic isn't fun or intuitive, it's not gonna be very fun to play.
 
Secondly, Superman might find getting a Boeing 747 thrown squarely in his jaw mildly distracting. He's invulnerable and as such, the developers either have to find an alternative way to gauge failure or cop out and make him weak.
 
Thirdly, Superman has exactly two good villains. Darkseid doesn't count, he's not a Superman villain. He's a DC villain. He threatens the Justice League as a whole. The only good Superman Villains are Lex Luthor (who is best when not physically engaging Superman) and Brainiac. Guys like Metallo, Parasite, Toy Man, Bizarro and Mr. Mxyzptlk make for decent bosses, but they can't be the focus of the plot.
 
That's what Superman has lacked, really. A good rogue's gallery. He has a lot of gimmick villains that rarely evolve beyond the gimmick.

#47 Posted by SoylentGreen (254 posts) -
@ArbitraryWater said:
"Know who is the only cool DC superhero? Batman. Maybe you have heard of him. Everyone else in that universe is hella lame. "
Kinda this. I really don't like Superman as a character, probably because he's the OG "Mary Sue" (or "Marty Stu", I guess) in comics. Who wants to play as someone who can only be defeated under extraordinary circumstances? That game would get old real quick.
 
@MatPaget said:
"I think that if it were like Resident Evil 4/5, in the fact that if you fuck up on something (like your partner dies), then you "die". "
But then you inherit the problems those games had with their AI. Or at least the problems RE5 had, I didn't play too much of RE4. In RE5, however, I remember being set back on multiple occasions because Sheva decided to be stupid. And that was just while playing as some random action hero; in the ideal Superman game, having the player be constrained by dumb AI when they're the goddamn man of steel would be frustrating to no end.
#48 Posted by MatPaget (1113 posts) -
@SoylentGreen: No dude, you don't have a partner. It was just an example of how you would "die" or "game over" in a Superman game.
#49 Posted by iFail (236 posts) -

Check this out. This guy works at PCGamer and seems to have given it some thought. I like his ideas, and so does Valve, they've got tons of TF2 unlocks which are similar to his ideas.

#50 Edited by MiniPato (2721 posts) -

Stealth game. If the bad guys see Superman approaching, they kill the hostages, blow up the city, explode the planet, whatever. Use your powers of x-ray vision, laser eyes, and flight to stealthily disarm the criminals.
 
Gameplay contrivance: Superman can't use his super strength to bust through walls and shit or else it will be too loud and they know it's Superman.

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