Idea - A new PC exclusive System Shock (please read further)

#1 Posted by BoG (5187 posts) -

Personally, I am not an avid PC gamer. I own a few Maxis simulation games, Diablo, the Orange Box, and System Shock 2 for my PC gaming pleasures (I once played WoW, but that is over). While I loved BioShock, it left me wanting more. System Shock 2 was incredibly deep, and much of what gave it depth and challenge was cut for BioShock to make it more console friendly. BioShock game you an unlimited inventory, items were abundant, and all character growth was made as simple as possible. While I don't mind them changing thing to make the process easier, I felt that the game was dumbed down.
What can happen to change this? Really, it is hard for me to imagine System Shock 2 being played with a controller. There were simply to many things, and it would too complext and frustrating without a mouse. However, I would die to see System Shock 2 given a proper sequel, expanded upon and improved in every way. I thnk the only viable option would be a PC - exclusive sequel, and personally, I'd upgrade only to experience it. Who is with me?

#2 Posted by Johnny5 (1355 posts) -

Meh, good ideas are everywhere and "make a sequel!" not that creative. Although who wouldnt kill for a sequel! I'd kill everyone in this room...

Other sequels im waiting on... Deus Ex which is apparently already in progress. Which is also a PC game that was dumbed down... so I feel you. They dumbed down the character augmentation where it almost didnt exist anymore.

#3 Posted by TheBeast (1931 posts) -

In this generation of 'console gamers' where everything has to be dumbed down to be played with two thumbs by the average console owner we really don't see enough games that actually have significant depth to them, I miss things like System Shock and Deus Ex - and I do think the only way these could be revitalised in to something as in-depth and as interesting as the originals is to make it a PC exclusive.
This won't happen for a couple of reasons:

  • Why would you make a PC exclusive when you can multiply your profits many times by releasing them on a selection of consoles?
  • There's no company with lots of money that cares about PC gaming succeeding. Sony will pay much much monies to get games exclusive to their system, and the same with Microsoft - to make their investments (consoles) succeed, they need to invest further. Why should they care about a PC when everyone has one anyway? Microsoft is making progress with their Games for Windows initiative, but it's not very well supported.
Still, in my eyes, the PC is still the superior platform - and when we start seeing PC performance exceed that of the current generation consoles at a similar price (something that will no doubt happen over the next couple of years) - people will see why this is.
#4 Edited by Johnny5 (1355 posts) -

No pc company except for the all massive exception of blizzard. Also really any company that makes an RTS. Also I dont think it will ever die because we're becoming more and more dependant on our PCs and more and more people are getting their own PCs. With such a big audience who already have a platform and could use some time filler it'll probably never die.

#5 Posted by BoG (5187 posts) -
Johnny5 said:
"Meh, good ideas are everywhere and "make a sequel!" not that creative. Although who wouldnt kill for a sequel! I'd kill everyone in this room...

Other sequels im waiting on... Deus Ex which is apparently already in progress. Which is also a PC game that was dumbed down... so I feel you. They dumbed down the character augmentation where it almost didnt exist anymore."
Ok, it does not HAVE to be a sequel, the idea is a game that wouldn't cut what i loved about System Shock 2.
And Beast, unfortunately it is true that profits can be inflated with consoles. Also worth noting, those companies like Crytek who were fully invested into the platform now must go other places because of piracy.
#6 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8061 posts) -

I am with you 100%.....System Shock 3 would be a dream come true.

#7 Posted by Jok3r (61 posts) -

I believe, that will never happen. TheBeast said:

"In this generation of 'console gamers' where everything has to be dumbed down to be played with two thumbs by the average console owner we really don't see enough games that actually have significant depth to them, I miss things like System Shock and Deus Ex - and I do think the only way these could be revitalised in to something as in-depth and as interesting as the originals is to make it a PC exclusive.
This won't happen for a couple of reasons:
  • Why would you make a PC exclusive when you can multiply your profits many times by releasing them on a selection of consoles?
  • There's no company with lots of money that cares about PC gaming succeeding. Sony will pay much much monies to get games exclusive to their system, and the same with Microsoft - to make their investments (consoles) succeed, they need to invest further. Why should they care about a PC when everyone has one anyway? Microsoft is making progress with their Games for Windows initiative, but it's not very well supported.
Still, in my eyes, the PC is still the superior platform - and when we start seeing PC performance exceed that of the current generation consoles at a similar price (something that will no doubt happen over the next couple of years) - people will see why this is."
Yep. He's right. But you have to see that though the PC is the most sofisticated platform, anymore its waaaaaay more expensive to continue to update a PCs components than it is to just buy a new system every 6-8 years. It comes down to the fact that the PC began a loss in momentum during the launch of the PS2, and as developers started making games for the PS2 and Xbox, that took away from games being developed on PC, which made people stop upgrading their PC. It's really a snowball effect and at this point the only major PC exclusive in the past year that i know of and that was really pushed, was Crisis and not many people even played that.

I love the concept of games for Windows. Mainly because I'm an Xbox Live user, I see the potential in bringing together the PC segment of gamers and the 360 audience. It makes a lot of sense for Microsoft to do so, because though they will still own the large majority of computers in the home, the apple brand has picked up a lot of steam in the past few years. I find that I wanted a mac, but now that there are games for windows, I think i'm going to pick up a high powered vista laptop to play games for windows.
#8 Edited by adam_grif (1144 posts) -

I would rather a SS2 remake than a sequel, although tbh, sequel is obviously still fine.

I just don't want them to bring back SHODAN... again.

That said, I do want SS2 to see next gen treatement. And I don't mean 360/PS3, I mean CryEngine 3, Unreal Engine 4 type stuff.

Feck, they should make AvP3 at the same time. I've been waiting for AvP3 for about 8 years.

Yep. He's right. But you have to see that though the PC is the most sofisticated platform, anymore its waaaaaay more expensive to continue to update a PCs components than it is to just buy a new system every 6-8 years. It comes down to the fact that the PC began a loss in momentum during the launch of the PS2, and as developers started making games for the PS2 and Xbox, that took away from games being developed on PC, which made people stop upgrading their PC. It's really a snowball effect and at this point the only major PC exclusive in the past year that i know of and that was really pushed, was Crisis and not many people even played that.

 I love the concept of games for Windows. Mainly because I'm an Xbox Live user, I see the potential in bringing together the PC segment of gamers and the 360 audience. It makes a lot of sense for Microsoft to do so, because though they will still own the large majority of computers in the home, the apple brand has picked up a lot of steam in the past few years. I find that I wanted a mac, but now that there are games for windows, I think i'm going to pick up a high powered vista laptop to play games for windows.
Actually the PC gaming industry has seen steady growth since 2001, every year. Now, thanks to digital distribution ala Steam, D2D, it's growing even faster. PC is the largest single "platform", although when you combine all consoles together, the "console market" outweighs the PC market substantially. However, PC exclusives cna be as profitable, or more profitable than a 360 or PS3 exclusive game.

That said, developers love having it on PC AND 360 AND PS3. And PS2/PSP/Wii if they can manage. They love money.

#9 Posted by DukeTogo (1504 posts) -

Necro post, but after playing Dead Space, I can safely say that it's about as close we're going to get to a remake of SS2.  The story and setting are taken almost verbatim from SS2.  Even the different areas of the ship and the Hive Mind plot are there - down to the basketball court.

#10 Posted by Ferginator4k (737 posts) -
@Unknown_Pleasures said:
" I am with you 100%.....System Shock 3 would be a dream come true. "
Agreed.
#11 Edited by DanielJW (4915 posts) -

God damnit bump a thread and I think BoG is back.  
 
On topic though I missed out on System Shock, mainly due to ignorance as I wasn't really in to games when I was six. I had a butt load of trouble trying to get it downloaded to my laptop for whatever reason, so a sequel would interest me. I'd like to experience something like it, without jumping through hoops for the old versions.

#12 Posted by jakob187 (21663 posts) -

Why must someone bump a BoG thread? 
 
This just makes me sad.  =  ( 
 
I feel like I need to pour a sip for our lost homie.

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