cheapest boss in 3d fighting game ever

#1 Posted by MasterMind (125 posts) -

 tekken 6 is out and i been playin non stop. but i have to say azezel is the cheapest boss of all time(for a 3d fighter) i mean my god why would you make a boss that attaks randomly and not only that is invulnerable when doing most of his attaks. 
 if any one else has bought the game wat do you think about him?

#2 Posted by jonnyboy (2920 posts) -

Haven't played it yet, but it can't be as bad as Seth surely? That guy was a totally cheap dick.

#3 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -

Yea, I agree.
 
Worst part about the Tekken 6 boss is he can block when attacking, and he blocks randomly, and doesn't animate his blocking.
 
Basically he's 100% invulnerable to your attacks 90% of the time.

#4 Posted by JJOR64 (18954 posts) -

Can't wait to see how much harder Seth is going to be in Super Street Fighter IV.

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#5 Posted by Damodar (1343 posts) -

I haven't played Tekken 6 yet, but totally unfair bosses are an absolute staple of the genre. Although 3D Fighter bosses generally aren't anywhere near as bad as 2D (See basically every SNK boss ever. Oh. My. God.) but I'm guessing you know that, since you made the distinction.
 
The only fighter boss that comes to mind at the moment that isn't massively unfair is Dural from Virtua Fighter. She's just kinda boring though...
 
Seth is a dick, but as far as Street Fighter games go, he's probably the easiest by a decent margin. Gill and Alpha 3's Bison were fairly nightmarish :P
 
Really want to try Tekken 6 though. SHEEP!

#6 Posted by dutch42 (533 posts) -

ah man I hate Seth. my mate traded in SF4 after about 4 days cos he couldn't beat him even on easiest.

#7 Posted by HotSauceMagik (264 posts) -
@dutch42:  Thats sad.
 
 
 
Azazel is tough.  Took me about 5 tries before I eeked out a win with Bryan.
#8 Posted by trophyhunter (5800 posts) -

I perfected him with Paul 
but took a couple tries with LILI

#9 Posted by damswedon (3185 posts) -

a Tekken game with a cheap boss. Never.
but seriously every tekken end boss has been cheap, its kinda the thing that happens in tekken

#10 Posted by Cadmus (290 posts) -

i dun know if it's cheap but I absolutely hate maneater in demon's souls because his script is messed up.  It seems totally random.
#11 Posted by trophyhunter (5800 posts) -

azazel and seth are pussies compared to all the king of fighters bosses 
I think it was kof 2002 the guy with the razor cape was ridiculous

#12 Posted by Emandudeguyperson (2502 posts) -
@trophyhunter: Oh, you think that's ridiculous? Try I-no from Guilty Gear XX! She has one attack that kills you in like two hits!!
#13 Posted by trophyhunter (5800 posts) -
@Emandudeguyperson said:
" @trophyhunter: Oh, you think that's ridiculous? Try I-no from Guilty Gear XX! She has one attack that kills you in like two hits!! "
ahh get out of here
#14 Posted by Emandudeguyperson (2502 posts) -
@trophyhunter said:
" @Emandudeguyperson said:
" @trophyhunter: Oh, you think that's ridiculous? Try I-no from Guilty Gear XX! She has one attack that kills you in like two hits!! "
ahh get out of here "
No, seriously!
#15 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (528 posts) -

Man I fucking HATE this stupid boss!!! Cheap piece o SHIT I wanna kill whoever decided he was a good idea, it keeps fucking up my stats as I have a loada wins then I get 2 Azazel and th losses come in! BUT ITS SO DAMN CHEAP, if he didnt spam th living jesus out of th attack with th flies I wouldnt mind, but sometimes you cant even get close coz ur stuck in animation loops from taking damage!! 
I HATE HIM!!!!!!!!

#16 Posted by Inuzagi (170 posts) -
@Emandudeguyperson said:
" @trophyhunter said:
" @Emandudeguyperson said:
" @trophyhunter: Oh, you think that's ridiculous? Try I-no from Guilty Gear XX! She has one attack that kills you in like two hits!! "
ahh get out of here "
No, seriously! "
 
I don't suppose you've faced the demon from hell known as Gold Order Sol? That dude puts just about every other damn boss in a fighting game to shame....at least for 2-D ones if were keeping the 2-D and 3-D separate.
#17 Posted by Crono (2655 posts) -
@Diamond said:
" Yea, I agree.  Worst part about the Tekken 6 boss is he can block when attacking, and he blocks randomly, and doesn't animate his blocking.  Basically he's 100% invulnerable to your attacks 90% of the time. "
That sounds brutal and unfun.  And I like Demon's Souls.
#18 Posted by ShalashaskaUK666 (528 posts) -

The load times are a right cunt aswell, I fucking hate th twats that are responsible for this

#19 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -
@Crono said:
" @Diamond said:
" Yea, I agree.  Worst part about the Tekken 6 boss is he can block when attacking, and he blocks randomly, and doesn't animate his blocking.  Basically he's 100% invulnerable to your attacks 90% of the time. "
That sounds brutal and unfun.  And I like Demon's Souls.
True, and I like Demon's Souls as well.  Those enemies are rarely completely invincible to your attack, and you can tell when they are.
 
Personally from the SNK bosses I've fought, Azazel is worse.  I guess it depends on what mode you're playing, the arena in campaign mode's version of Azazel is far far worse than arcade mode, and that's where I had the above problems.  You can't use strategy, tactics, or skill when the boss simply chooses if he should take damage or not.
#20 Posted by CSXLoser (582 posts) -

Devil Jin + air laser = 90% dmg on azazel.
 
just search it up on youtube. Devil Jin and azazel.
 
it works and i done it a few times myself for laughs

#21 Posted by Mephiles1990 (32 posts) -

SNK Boss Syndrome is rather common in Tekken. Just look up Jinpachi on Hard. His fireball attack kills you in one hit. Two if you're lucky. And if you're REALLY unlucky, he'll do the one-two fireball. 

#22 Posted by TrashMustache (452 posts) -

azazal sucks but i havent been able to beat Nancy yet
#23 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

There's probably some simple way to cheese him to death like in all fighting games with stupid end boss's.

#24 Posted by Grud (29 posts) -

Seth......

#25 Posted by Nettacki (1317 posts) -
@keyhunter: There is. Some videos on Youtube showcase these methods. 
 
ex: Raven. Julia, Devil Jin, etc
#26 Posted by Chaos_Bladez (140 posts) -

End bosses are supposed to be hard but he's too much. He goes outside the rules of Tekken too much.

#27 Posted by Lamashtu (254 posts) -

Dude, that's nothing campared to I-no in Guilty Gear, especially when you were playing Dizzy's story mode. A 2x speed boss with regenerating health and a boss-exclusive special that can easily lop off more than a half of your health if you're not careful. I threw my controller at the screen after a few dozen tries because you had to start over the story mode again if you lost to her with Dizzy
#28 Posted by animateria (3252 posts) -
@dutch42 said:
" ah man I hate Seth. my mate traded in SF4 after about 4 days cos he couldn't beat him even on easiest. "
Man, sorry to say but he he wasn't even bad at SF4.
 
He was absolutely terrible at it. 
 
I don't think Seth is even close to being the first on the cheapest boss list.
#29 Posted by Fbomb (1168 posts) -

Well, that sounds not fun. I hate cheap fighting game bosses. I don't understand why they have to include them, since I typically don't feel like I've surmounted anything satisfying, I'm just a little less pissed off at the game afterward.

#30 Posted by Vade (393 posts) -
@Lamashtu: Sure I-No's a bitch but boss Order-Sol is cheese incarnate.
#31 Posted by b_radt007 (25 posts) -

I really don't like the cheap boss trend in fighting games, seriously it just makes people mad.  The Tekken 6 Review at GameRevolution.com really hits the nail on the head for this issue. 
 
I haven't played a lot of fighting games outside of Tekken; for me the Tekken 5 boss Jinpachi was way tougher, that gay ass fireball would kill me so many times, and he would do fake fireball casts when until I stopped side-stepping.  I've never been so angry at a game in my life, and that's saying something.

#32 Edited by Niccoles (147 posts) -

Final bosses are supposed to be tough. And you are only playing 4 rounds to get to him. Tekken 3 used to make you do 9 rounds before playing the final boss. And the sense of accomplishment from beating Azazel is awesome. You want to talk about cheap bosses, check out Alpha 152 from Dead or Alive 4. That boss is a lot worse than Azazel.

#33 Posted by dutch42 (533 posts) -
@animateria said:
" @dutch42 said:
" ah man I hate Seth. my mate traded in SF4 after about 4 days cos he couldn't beat him even on easiest. "
Man, sorry to say but he he wasn't even bad at SF4.  He was absolutely terrible at it.   I don't think Seth is even close to being the first on the cheapest boss list. "
yeah it was pretty weak. I tried to get him to persist with it but he wanted to trade it in for some rpg game I think.
#34 Posted by Shadow (4979 posts) -



 You clearly have not had to deal with this using every character.
#35 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7615 posts) -
@jonnyboy said:
" Haven't played it yet, but it can't be as bad as Seth surely? That guy was a totally cheap dick. "
Probably worse than Seth, simply because he's a huge monster thing.  He doesn't even do an animation for most of his attacks, you just get hit.
#36 Edited by dagas (2813 posts) -

Not played Tekken since Devil Kazuya was the boss and he was easy. I vote for the boss in Dead or Alive 4. Extremely fast, almost unblockable combos that do 3/4 of your health and every little punch takes huge amount of damage. Killed me in less than 2 seconds once. Took me at least 100 fights before I even could get to a decent win ratio against it and with decent I mean I won maybe 1/3-1/4 times or so.

#37 Posted by psikousteve (12 posts) -

Tho every tekken has had a ridiculous boss none of them have ever caused me so much blinding rage as azazel!
He is the epitome of a ridiculously stupid boss!
Its like jinpachi and seth made a baby and that baby inherited ancient demon powers lol

#38 Posted by Niccoles (147 posts) -
@TrashMustache: I'd suggest using Eddy Gordo to take down the extra boss. Though other players have beaten it with Jack 6. Mainly use the jump kick command on the robot and you should bring it down no problem.
#39 Posted by regularassmilk (1398 posts) -

Cheaper than Seth?

#40 Posted by Diamond (8634 posts) -
@regularassmilk said:
Cheaper than Seth?
Way way way way wayyyyy cheaper IMO.  Seth wasn't very bad at all...
 
@dagas said:
Not played Tekken since Devil Kazuya was the boss and he was easy. I vote for the boss in Dead or Alive 4. Extremely fast, almost unblockable combos that do 3/4 of your health and every little punch takes huge amount of damage. Killed me in less than 2 seconds once. Took me at least 100 fights before I even could get to a decent win ratio against it and with decent I mean I won maybe 1/3-1/4 times or so.
I'd say Alpha-152 or whatever is close.  Makes you not want to ever play arcade mode in the same way.
#41 Posted by Hailinel (24418 posts) -
@Shadow said:
"


 You clearly have not had to deal with this using every character.
"
God damn, fighting Alpha-152 was frustrating.  It makes me sort of glad that Itagaki is no longer making DOA titles.
#42 Posted by Robbie_Has_You (24 posts) -

I have to say that I had to stopped playing this game. I rented it and started to enjoy it a lot at first. Played some Arcade and whooped some ass online. And then, that little cunt showed up and my enjoyment dropped dramatically. I can't believe the faggotry of this fucking boss. I put more than 80 hours into SFIV and Seth was a pussy but this cunt is unbe-fucking-lievable. Anyways, the game overall is great. Not as fantastic as SFIV but very close. It's good also to alternate between the two since they both have different playing styles. I think I might pick up Super in February or March whenever it comes out cuz I did sell my copy because my mainly just played with my friends and people online were faggots. But, I love the new characters and old ones they brought back so definitely will pick that up. Might pick Tekken up down the line when I get my heat off of it and maybe when it's bout 30 pick it up. Anyways, thank you if you read this but I needed somewhere to post my anger and I am definitely calmed down a lot more.

#43 Posted by Sparky_Buzzsaw (6155 posts) -

I despise cheap fighting game bosses.  I think on the genre's easiest settings, developers need to implement some way of lessening the frustration fight-to-fight with those bosses.  For example, if you lose more than twice in a row, have the player's health bump up by 5% and the boss's health lower by 2.5%, and have the numbers increase each round.  There's no real reason for the cheapness on consoles.  In an arcade, sure, I get it - I don't like it, but I get the need to suck in more quarters.  On a console, we've already paid $60 (or in my case $36) for the game, and there's no reason to frustrate your players that much on easier settings. 
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#44 Edited by 71Ranchero (2738 posts) -
@Shadow said:

"


 You clearly have not had to deal with this using every character.
"
Your not kidding. That boss was pretty brutal, the god damn combos ARG!
#45 Posted by oxNAMELESSxo (25 posts) -

he is cheap man

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