Dtoid's review by Jim Sterling was accidentally posted early

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#1 Edited by dungbootle (2458 posts) -
#2 Edited by Marokai (2982 posts) -

This seems like a game that will be twenty dollars within a month.

#3 Posted by awesomeusername (4187 posts) -

So the advertising for this game is better then the game. Not surprising.

#4 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4213 posts) -

Dat score.. I was thinking of renting that. Mm..

#5 Posted by Dallas_Raines (2161 posts) -

Eh, it's a Jim Sterling review.

#6 Posted by GERALTITUDE (3337 posts) -

Ouch.

Harsh words, especially at the end. Jim certainly makes his case though...

#7 Edited by Flappy (2262 posts) -

I was never really interested in the game, but from all the buzz I've been seeing, I can't imagine the fans feeling too good about that review.

#8 Posted by Funkydupe (3320 posts) -

tldr: IT FUCKING SUCKS.

#9 Edited by Morningstar (2165 posts) -

Oh I hope it's better than that. I really do.

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#10 Posted by buft (3318 posts) -

Jim sterling also gave assassins creed 2 a 4.5, not saying he is wrong but more that its apparent that his views and mine are often at odds so i remain cautiously optimistic about the game, i really liked the look of it in the gameplay videos they put out and when i saw the deal on it through steam i was sold, even if its bad i got enemy unknown and spec ops the line with it, for £26 i could have done far worse for myself.

#11 Posted by Fruitcocoa (483 posts) -

Wow, what a bummer. Swedish Gamereactor gave it 6/10 and took the review down. I've got i pre-loaded, would be a shame if the game was that bad...

#12 Edited by TruthTellah (9125 posts) -

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#13 Posted by Milkman (16810 posts) -

That's a shame but not at all a shock considering the game's development history. With all the games coming out, I'm kind of glad that I can probably safely skip this one, assuming this is the general consensus.

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#14 Posted by Revolver (84 posts) -

I guess the game is pretty good? Whenever he makes a review like that I usually like the game

#15 Posted by James_Hayward (366 posts) -

ouch... definitely one to wait on (at best)

#16 Edited by TheSouthernDandy (3873 posts) -

@dallas_raines said:

Eh, it's a Jim Sterling review.

Kinda this. Not because I have anything against him at all, I'm actually a fan of the guy but he gave AC2 a 4.5 and even by a scale that uses the entire 10 points, that's waaaay off from my opinion, I loved that game. Pretty clear he an I have differing opinions on games.

@buft: Haha read thread after I posted and you pretty much wrote the exact same thing.

#17 Posted by 5Figh (172 posts) -

I think i'll wait for a few more people to weigh in before i write this game off

#18 Edited by schreiberty (208 posts) -

I feel like this might have been better off as that weird, 1940s first person shooter with that goo stuff

#19 Posted by leinad44 (517 posts) -

Take Jim Sterlings reviews with a pinch of salt

#20 Posted by jimmyfenix (3855 posts) -

I want to see what Tom Chick thinks of it you know a real journalist.

#21 Edited by ArtelinaRose (1854 posts) -

If it's true that the game isn't very good, I am not surprised. No game can go through that much revision and turn out well.

#22 Posted by Krullban (1038 posts) -

It's Jim Sterling.

#23 Edited by Hunter5024 (5691 posts) -

Not to just instantly write it off, but Destructoid reviews tend to skew pretty wildly against other critics. They seem to try and use their full ten point scale. I haven't read it yet though, so who knows. He drops a spoiler about the end a couple of paragraphs in, pretty rude, even if it wasn't explicit and he didn't like the game. Kind of seems that he went into this game with the mindset that he didn't care for it, mostly just because large parts of the review seem to focus on what the game is not, and he spends a decent amount of time talking about the development rather than the game itself. So yeah, idk what to think of this review. I haven't played the game yet, so maybe everything he says is spot on, but at the moment idk if I'd trust it.

#24 Edited by jakob187 (21675 posts) -

1. To everyone saying "it's Jim Sterling," you say that like it's some automatic form of discredit to the guy. Meanwhile, he's actually a damn good writer and just happens to not give a shit half the time because people are whiny entitled fuckholes and he likes to piss them off. Therefore, saying "it's Jim Sterling" means about as much as YOU think Jim Sterling means.

2. The game went through massive delays, revisions, and even a stint of "rumored as cancelled without confirmation from company of one nor the other." It's hard to expect it to come out unscathed from all of that. Shit, look at all of the circumstances around The Bureau:

  • XCOM gets announced as reboot with first-person shooter and strategy mixed together. Very little gameplay shown. People dig the aesthetics, but bemoan the shooter part of the game.
  • XCOM: Enemy Unknown gets announced. People get stoked about a Firaxis-developed strategy game in the vein of the original.
  • No one hears about XCOM for a little while, which leads to rumors starting that it has been put on hiatus, axed, cancelled, etc. 2K Marin does nothing to make comments on it in one way or the other.
  • XCOM: Enemy Unknown comes out, sells well, gets strong critical reception, and people fucking love it. 2K realizes that people want their strategy in some XCOM shit.
  • XCOM comes back as "The Bureau: XCOM Declassified," moving the XCOM moniker to the back of the title. This implies a link to the XCOM universe, but it is not an "official" XCOM game. Therefore, if it turns out bad or doesn't sell, it's just an "experimental spin-off." The game we see takes out the "-shock" game elements that we originally saw and replaces them with third-person shooter gameplay like Mass Effect, strategy gameplay kind of like XCOM: Enemy Unknown, and a load of other gameplay styles that shouts out "we're trying to appeal to everyone, identity crisis, identity crisis." People react in a very mixed manner.
  • The Bureau: XCOM Declassified shows up for pre-order for $5 off on digital PC retailer sites. Green Man Gaming runs a special where pre-ordering it will also get you Spec Ops: The Line and XCOM: Enemy Unknown as well as DLC for The Bureau. This is all but a sign that 2K doesn't plan on this game selling once it is out, as those prices are determined by the publishers, not the online stores. I know this because Amazon knows this, and Amazon is the one who directly informed me of such whenever I had bought Tomb Raider from them two days before they dropped the price down by $5.00 and I complained to customer service about it.
  • Jim Sterling's review "accidentally" leaks. The review generally sounds like what we would expect to hear: a troubled game that has no identity and tries to be everything (coincidentally, most troubled games try to appeal to many demographics of players with multiple types of genre mechanics in the hopes that one will click with someone). Score is 4.5 out of 10.

While people may not trust Sterling, the guy is someone who loves the shit out of the XCOM franchise. Honestly, in that review, it sounded like he really hated that he wasn't enjoying the game. It almost sounded painful, not from a "I played this game" standpoint, but from a "I really wanted this game to be fucking awesome" standpoint.

So overall...is anyone surprised by the review?

#25 Posted by Demoskinos (14851 posts) -

I love how people are dismissing Sterling so nonchalantly.

#26 Posted by Kaiserreich (701 posts) -

Not surprising. Slick advertising does not make a good game.

@buft said:

Jim sterling also gave assassins creed 2 a 4.5,

Maybe I have more in common with Sterling than I previously thought.

#27 Posted by Fobwashed (2076 posts) -

I love how people are dismissing Sterling so nonchalantly.

I've read very and listened to a very small sampling of his work online and it was enough to turn me off on his style of reporting. His review certainly gives me cause to worry about the quality of the game but I just don't put as much weight behind it as I would someone I actually trust like pretty much anyone on staff here.

For the sake of an example of why I don't really take his reviews too seriously, he gave Deadly Premonition a 10/10. I played through that game, and while it was enjoyable, it was very far from what I'd consider a 10/10 so I'm pretty sketchy on his review scales =P Not sayin his opinions are wrong or invalid, they just totally don't line up with mine.

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#28 Posted by President_Barackbar (3462 posts) -

@jakob187 said:

1. To everyone saying "it's Jim Sterling," you say that like it's some automatic form of discredit to the guy. Meanwhile, he's actually a damn good writer and just happens to not give a shit half the time because people are whiny entitled fuckholes and he likes to piss them off. Therefore, saying "it's Jim Sterling" means about as much as YOU think Jim Sterling means.

I think it more has to do with a lot of people (myself included) already knowing that their tastes don't line up with his. A lot of his reviews skew pretty wildly away from the majority, which isn't a problem by any stretch, it just means that you have to have a pretty specific taste in games to agree with his reviews.

#29 Posted by alwaysbebombing (1588 posts) -

Though Jim Sterling and myself differ on our video game tastes (save for Deadly Premonition) I feel as though I will agree with his review once I have an opportunity to play the game.

#30 Posted by KittyVonDoom (445 posts) -

I'd be surprised if this wasn't intentional on Destructoid's part to 'accidentally leak' such an obviously controversial 'critique' of a controversial game so early. EZ PAGE VIEWZ AM I RIGHT GUYZ. Games journalism!

The game sounds really cool, and watching the livestream from 2K last Friday has me onboard. A game having a long development does not mean anything at all anymore - just as many have been great as have been disappointing. FYI :)

#31 Posted by TheBluthCompany (387 posts) -

Really really happy I canceled my Gamestop preorder.

#32 Posted by AlexanderSheen (5011 posts) -

I'll wait for the Quick Look and Alex's review. I know for sure I can trust him.

#33 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4213 posts) -

Really really happy I canceled my Gamestop preorder.

The GameStop guy hates you right now.

#34 Edited by ReCkLeSs_X (460 posts) -

I like Jim Sterling and I think his reviews are worth reading. Definitely heeding his warning.

#35 Posted by Hunter5024 (5691 posts) -

@reckless_x said:

I like Jim Sterling and I think his reviews are worth reading. Definitely heeding his warning.

Hello Mr. Sterling.

#36 Edited by ArbitraryWater (11754 posts) -

I think I'll wait for Alex's review before I continue to decide that I really am not interested in this game. Jim Sterling is a contrarian and occasionally a troll, but this review doesn't smack of a low score for the sake of a low score.

#37 Posted by Hailinel (24867 posts) -

Seems like a well-reasoned review to me, and the score seems to match. Frankly, The Bureau does sound like a game suffering an identity crisis, and I wouldn't be surprised if the past three-plus years resulted in something less than good.

#38 Edited by Make_Me_Mad (3102 posts) -

On the one hand, I never trust reviews outright... but on the other, this also sounds relatively in-line with my expectations for this game.

#39 Edited by mrfluke (5164 posts) -

yeesh, hope that isnt the trend for reviews for that game tommorow, gotta be demoralizing for that team with how much that game went through changes to give this game a proper identity to then after all that the game still sucks.

but Sterling is known to be a bit out there in that his opinions generally differ from the norm, so ill wait to see what other other outlets say and see if that is the consensus.

#40 Posted by Zurv (444 posts) -

oh snap.. time to cancel my pre-order on steam

#41 Posted by Vinny_Says (5709 posts) -

I think I'll wait for more than 1 review before making a purchasing decision on this one.

#42 Posted by VooDooPC (325 posts) -

I'd be surprised if this wasn't intentional on Destructoid's part to 'accidentally leak' such an obviously controversial 'critique' of a controversial game so early. EZ PAGE VIEWZ AM I RIGHT GUYZ. Games journalism!

The game sounds really cool, and watching the livestream from 2K last Friday has me onboard. A game having a long development does not mean anything at all anymore - just as many have been great as have been disappointing. FYI :)

I was thinking the EXACT same thing and I fucking fell for it. I went to their stupid website. They got me.

#43 Edited by Chaser324 (6556 posts) -

It's one review from a reviewer that I don't always agree with, so I'm going to wait for more opinions before jumping to conclusions.

...That being said, it wouldn't exactly be surprising for this game to end up being middling or bad considering the long road it's traveled to make it onto store shelves.

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#44 Posted by tourgen (4507 posts) -

Who even knows what his review score mean? Who cares about the number?

Anyway I read his review. He says it's boring and more or less mediocre and by the numbers in the execution. In my opinion calling a game boring and safe is damning. It almost guarantees I won't touch it. Maybe 4.5 was a little high.

#45 Posted by Cybexx (1174 posts) -

Jim Sterling can be quite divisive, I've definitely loved games that he has hated but this review has given me pause about making a last minute purchase on Steam to get the pre-order bonuses.

I think I will wait on the other reviews and probably end up placing on my wishlist to wait for a good sale. There is too much other good stuff coming out this week.

#46 Posted by ReCkLeSs_X (460 posts) -

@reckless_x said:

I like Jim Sterling and I think his reviews are worth reading. Definitely heeding his warning.

Hello Mr. Sterling.

Heh. After watching his Jimquisitions, I have a lot more respect for his opinion than other journalists. He can definitely be divisive though.

#47 Posted by Rowr (5673 posts) -

I think we sit and wait for the real reviewers.

#48 Edited by NeoCalypso (171 posts) -

Forget the AC2 review, there is no way I'm trusting the opinions of a guy who thinks a Dynasty Warriors game deserves a 9/10 in this day and age.

#49 Edited by DeviTiffany (436 posts) -

He also gave The Witcher 2 a 6

#50 Posted by Fearbeard (831 posts) -

I would care except that it's Jim Sterling. His scores rarely make sense.

I'm not expecting a masterpiece, but I'm sure I'll enjoy the game.

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