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#1 Edited by Lord_Xp (605 posts) -

Its official, you have to pay a monthly fee to play this game

http://kotaku.com/youll-pay-a-monthly-fee-to-play-the-elder-scrolls-onli-1176508405

There is the article explaining this.

I for one will not be playing this game anymore which is pretty damn upsetting since I was excited to play.

#2 Posted by ProfessorEss (7469 posts) -

@lord_xp said:

Its official, you have to pay a monthly fee to play this game

http://kotaku.com/youll-pay-a-monthly-fee-to-play-the-elder-scrolls-onli-1176508405

There is the article explaining this.

I for one will not be playing this game anymore which is pretty damn upsetting since I was excited to play.

I probably wouldn't play it regardless but personally I prefer a monthly subscription over a web of micro-transactions.

#3 Edited by Funkydupe (3321 posts) -

The far better approach for people who want to feel like they're playing a whole game and doesn't take pleasure in buying their games' content piecemeal.

#4 Posted by ProfessorEss (7469 posts) -

@funkydupe said:

The far better approach for people who want to feel like they're playing a whole game and not buying their games' content piecemeal.

Though to be fair, I can't help but think they're planning and hoping to do both.

#5 Posted by Funkydupe (3321 posts) -

@professoress: Of course they are at some level anyway. Too much of it just doesn't fly in a Subscription based MMO, so they should tread carefully.

#6 Posted by Dezztroy (850 posts) -

Wonder how long it'll take for them to drop the subscription. I'd say it lasts 6 months.

#7 Posted by BaneFireLord (2967 posts) -

Well, that obliterates any chance there was that I'd play this.

#8 Edited by Lord_Xp (605 posts) -

I'll be paying the $5/month for PS+ then the additional $14.99/month just for ESO. Thats why I won't be paying for that game.

#9 Edited by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -

@funkydupe said:

The far better approach for people who want to feel like they're playing a whole game and doesn't take pleasure in buying their games' content piecemeal.

Instead you're possibly playing more, for less content, on a monthly basis, whether or not they're adding new content or you're even playing the game. No thanks.

I'd have prefered the Guild Wars approach of simply paying for the game and then being done with it. No DLC (beyond cosmetic fluff) or on-going subscriptions.

#10 Edited by Winsord (1279 posts) -

Then I'm out. It's the same reason I'm not picking up FFXIV next week, I've already got one subscription-based MMO I like to play, and I'm not willing to start paying for more than one MMO at a time. I feel bad every time I re-up on Swtor subscription time even though it's always worth the money, so I can't see me starting a whole new subscription-based MMO and having to choose between them. Besides, I spend too much of my time in Swtor worrying about when my subscription is going to run out, and it ultimately makes the game less fun. I'm a big proprietor for the Guild Wars 2 model of, you know, paying once like a regular videogame. I don't think it's totally unreasonable for them to ask, but I'm not paying it. Maybe it'll go F2P in a year like most other MMOs.

#11 Posted by StrainedEyes (1328 posts) -

This will be F2P sooner or later, so it's not that big of a deal.

#12 Posted by Fattony12000 (7588 posts) -

@lord_xp said:

I for one will not be playing this game anymore which is pretty damn upsetting since I was excited to play.

I probably wouldn't play it regardless but personally I prefer a monthly subscription over a web of micro-transactions.

And I prefer Guild Warss'es's'ses' take on subscription fees. Which is to...

ELBOW DROP THEM IN THE FACE!

#13 Posted by misterpope (380 posts) -

Huh. weird. I thought the line they had been pushing was that it was more of Elder Scrolls Online as in a co-op game instead of an MMO. But this definitely pushes it into MMO territory. Better bring it with them content updates.

#14 Edited by living4theday258 (680 posts) -

So I have to buy the game, and proceed to pay monthly fees to play the game I've already bought? That is fuckin' absurd.(it should be noted i know little about mmos so if there is actually a good reason to do this then its fine.)

#15 Edited by Zacagawea (1609 posts) -

Okay, thanks for freeing up some of my time, game

#16 Edited by StrainedEyes (1328 posts) -

@living4theday258 said:

So I have to buy the game, and proceed to pay monthly fees to play the game I've already bought? That is fuckin' absurd.(it should be noted i know little about mmos so if there is actually a good reason to do this then its fine.)

That's usually how MMOs work. Though, you usually get one month free with your game purchase. Depending how into it your are, you could very well get your fill from that free month.

#17 Edited by leftie68 (215 posts) -

People are acting like this is some novel,-drop-kick-to-the-face procedure for MMO's. This is how they usually work ( and I think it is much better than that micro-transaction crap that has been coming out recently).

#18 Posted by Jams (2965 posts) -

I don't like pay to play anymore. I used to never have a problem with it but after years of playing MMORPG's I started to feel like I was pressuring myself to play because I had a subscription going. I think SOE is doing a great job with how they handle free to play in Planetside 2. Now I can not worry about having to get on just because I'm obligated. I'd rather pay individually for xp boosts or whatever when I feel like it. I also don't have to feel bad about wanting to play but knowing I'll only play for an hour for that month and be bored. Before I'd have to fork over $15 just to feel nostalgic for an hour. Now I can just jump in and out without have ever payed.

Also add to the fact that you can get a lot more people to play your game when it's freely available. Which means more people get to try it and more people may end up spending at least 15 a month in game. I just feel like if used right (like SOE so far) then it's win win for everyone.

#19 Posted by EXTomar (4917 posts) -

It feels like the issue is that ESO doesn't have a lot of features that necessitates it being MMO let alone justification for the subscription. So far what they've been demoing has shown more like an "online co-op" game than an MMO so I'm not sure where the justification for the subscription fee is coming from.

#20 Edited by OurSin_360 (941 posts) -

oh wow, i was really looking forward to this game too. oh well, fuck that shit. Besides Wow, who the hell pays subscription fee's in 2013? Paying for gold/ps+ AND having to pay monthly for this shit? naww

#21 Edited by WinterSnowblind (7617 posts) -

@leftie68: I'm not sure I agree. Even when we're talking about microtransaction heavy F2P games, how many of them require you to spend $15 a month to keep up with the game?

With a subscription based game, you're still paying for new content (on a monthly basis IF they even add anything new), you're still paying for the boxed copy, you're paying whenever they decide to release new expansions and you're usually still paying for fluff items in a cash shop as well. Yes, it's the standard business model, but that doesn't make it a good one.

Meanwhile, many F2P games provide new content for free and only require you to pay for the fluff. It's hard to see subscriptions as anything but an attempt to gouge the consumer for all their worth before introducing a F2P option 6-8 months later.

#22 Posted by xyzygy (10064 posts) -

Welp. I guess that's it for this game.

#23 Posted by spraynardtatum (3494 posts) -

*fart noises*

#24 Posted by mtcantor (948 posts) -

nope

#25 Posted by Pr1mus (3959 posts) -

Then it's already dead.

#26 Edited by Marokai (3110 posts) -

It'll have a bunch of subscribers for the first couple months, numbers will then proceed to nosedive for the months thereafter, and the game will be free to play within a year.

All of this has happened before; all of this will happen again.

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#27 Posted by Nilazz (630 posts) -

What a bummer.

#28 Posted by FlipperDesert (2104 posts) -

It's cool, just give them a couple months.

#29 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2563 posts) -

I was always under the impression that it would be subscription based, but $15 a month? No thanks.

#30 Posted by leftie68 (215 posts) -

@wintersnowblind: I agree this is a risky move, but all indications from Zenimax was that this game was going to be a premium, service-oriented, immersive Online game. Honestly, the best MMO's I have played have been monthly fee based. The difference in terms of service and content quality between a Guild Wars 2 and a World of Warcraft is huge. I am not saying that there is no room for F2P MMO's, but the longevity of those experiences tend to be short lived. But again, they have to do it right, with new content and a plethora of end-game content, otherwise, this game will fail. Also FYI, if you read the interview, Matt Firor says that there will be no micro transactions in the game.

#31 Posted by BabyChooChoo (4735 posts) -

A subscription fee is still the least of my problems with this game. Obviously I haven't played it, but from the little I've seen, it looks like yet another run of the mill fantasy MMO with the Elder Scrolls named tacked onto it. Or rather, it looks like an MMO inspired by Elder Scrolls and not the Elder Scrolls turned into an MMO which, I would imagine, would be infinitely more appealing to a lot more people.

#32 Posted by yoshimitz707 (2453 posts) -

Man, I was hoping it would be Free to play or like Guild Wars 2. I'm not excited to pay a monthly fee to get my lore fix.

#33 Posted by ConfusedOwl (961 posts) -

This wouldn't be such a big deal, but even pay to play games use micro transactions these days. I won't even try it if the game uses both.

#34 Posted by Vermisean (154 posts) -

@leftie68: Agreed. It's bizarre to me how much backlash a subscription model gets these days. I have always preferred it over f2p. I will definitely be subscribing to this one (And FFXIV).

#35 Edited by chilibean_3 (1677 posts) -

They no doubt have a plan ready to roll out to switch to F2P. It would be irresponsible to not have a plan at this point. The only question is how long until they have to roll it out. Star Wars was quicker than even I thought it would be soooooo....6 months at most?

#36 Edited by believer258 (12084 posts) -

Well, that obliterates any chance there was that I'd play this.

Yep.

You can put microtransactions in a paid-for MMO provided they're all cosmetic if you want to. I think that's what Guild Wars 2 did, or something like it. I am not paying a monthly subscription for one game, though, no matter how good it is.

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#37 Posted by jdh5153 (1034 posts) -

Might as well throw the game in a landfill now. Doomed to fail just like SWTOR.

#38 Posted by KrypticKiller (191 posts) -

Two giant media properties crashed and burned doing it this way.

Smells like a cash grab. Launch it as a sub, get at much money as you can in the first year then release your f2p. If I'm wrong and they actually think they will thrive on a sub model, then that's just adorable!

#39 Posted by Sterling (2591 posts) -

Just canceled my pre-order. Oh well.

#40 Posted by BaneFireLord (2967 posts) -
#41 Posted by wewantsthering (1586 posts) -

@dezztroy said:

Wonder how long it'll take for them to drop the subscription. I'd say it lasts 6 months.

Exactly. They just want to catch as many suckers early on like they've done with every MMO lately. Box costs money and monthly, then it goes F2P soon after.

#42 Posted by Avanzato (90 posts) -

I don't play one game exclusively I've recently been playing Defiance and Marvel Heroes but I dip in and out of them so I'm completely fine with the pay once or F2P micro transactions way of doing things. I really don't appreciate the pressure a monthly sub puts on me to keep playing or attempt to blast through things really quickly. I won't be trying this one until those options are here.

#43 Edited by Corvak (1158 posts) -

Not surprising in the least.

You can remove a subscription, and go free to play. You cannot go from free to subscription - Bethesda is keeping its options open this way.

Also, launching a game of this scale as F2P? The servers would be utterly massacred, or Bethesda would spend thousands on servers that dont get used past the first month.

#44 Posted by Irvandus (2885 posts) -

My interest level has dropped massively. Also anyone saying free to play wouldn't support a game of this caliber should go play Neverwinter or any other successful free to play MMO

#45 Posted by _Zombie_ (1462 posts) -

Eh. If I had the money, I'd still pay for a subscription. I'm a sucker for Elder Scrolls, however shitty the adaptation to an MMO may be.

#46 Posted by Spekingur (161 posts) -

Guild Wars 2 is not F2P. It is B2P or Buy to Play. F2P or Free to Play indicates that it is completely free to access it. B2P is exactly what I was hoping for ESO. That would mean that they would get away with more micros for some things but still be a step up from F2P.

#47 Posted by leftie68 (215 posts) -

@irvandus: Man I hope this game is better than Neverwinter.

#48 Posted by Giantstalker (1710 posts) -

Eh, still better than the F2P nightmare many modern MMO's have become, but I never thought Elder Scrolls was that great to begin with anyway.

#49 Edited by cbarnes86 (559 posts) -

Sad to see this... Guild Wars 2 did "F2P" really well, offering a ton of content for the base price of the game and offering extra content (not pay 2 win) for micro-transactions. I was hoping to see this game follow that formula, but oh well. I'll probably give it a shot for sure, but it depends on how my time in Final Fantasy XIV goes. I don't need 2 MMOs in my busy life

#50 Edited by ArtisanBreads (3963 posts) -

(for like 6 months tops)

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