Help me build up Skyrim wiki articles, Lets unite and build

#1 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

Heya all,

I am myself focused on building up Whiterun related articles in the wiki. If we work together we can make the Skyrim content better. For example if someone concentraded on another town, we could help each other. Myself that have english as second language could benefit with help on grammar and spelling.

Please post what you have added to the articles, I will check it out see if I can help.

I cheat a bit have also added the Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary, The companions, and some other.

Cheers,

Daniel

#2 Posted by Cirdain (3092 posts) -

I can't help because I'm stupid but I support what you're doing.

#3 Posted by OtakuGamer (1243 posts) -

If I find anything worth adding, I be sure to do so.

#4 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@OtakuGamer said:

If I find anything worth adding, I be sure to do so.

Great, feel free to help me with Whiterun. At the moment I work to build up a overview. But there is a lot that are missing. Check out Whiterun for ideas

@Cirdain said: @Cirdain:

I can't help because I'm stupid but I support what you're doing.

Thanks support is always welcome. After all who doesnt want a supportive audience. ;-)

#5 Posted by zombie2011 (4973 posts) -

I like what your doing, i actually avoid going into cities now in Skyrim if i can. It's so overwhelming, you just don't know what to do when you enter a city, where anything is, i don't want to talk to anyone incase they give me a quest that i don't have the time to do. I've only gone to Whiterun and Riften and i wanna keep it like that as long as i can, i stepped foot in Markarth and took one walk around the city realized i didn't have time for it and left.

#6 Posted by Guided_By_Tigers (8061 posts) -

I'll check your grammar, I can't do anything else though as I haven't played the game......but its good to see that you're looking to collaborate, there needs to be more of it.

#7 Edited by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@zombie2011 said:

I like what your doing, i actually avoid going into cities now in Skyrim if i can. It's so overwhelming, you just don't know what to do when you enter a city, where anything is, i don't want to talk to anyone incase they give me a quest that i don't have the time to do. I've only gone to Whiterun and Riften and i wanna keep it like that as long as i can, i stepped foot in Markarth and took one walk around the city realized i didn't have time for it and left.

Have a similar strategy, I dont go into towns until I feel I must. I like to build up my knowledge. It easy to get a quest. I up to 60 hours, on level 36 now. But I have no questlines finish. A tip I can give. Do a lot the misc. objectives in town. This way you learn about who is who. I am deep into Whiterun and Riften. I only ran thou the other towns when I get quest that involve a another town. Also do the quests for the ruler at every Hold. This make you a Thane.

Yesterday I spent 1 hour checking around Whiteruns Citywall from the outside. Found 2 chests and some other stuff.

#8 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

I'll check your grammar, I can't do anything else though as I haven't played the game......but its good to see that you're looking to collaborate, there needs to be more of it.

All help is important. Maybe the articles will make curious enough to buy the game ;-)

#9 Posted by AlisterCat (5591 posts) -

This is exactly what the Giant Bomb Wiki needs. I shouldn't have to go to all those individual Wikis, the only place I should need to go is Giant Bomb.

#10 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

Yesterdays work on the Night.

Added Inns and Shops to Whiterun article.

#11 Posted by CptChiken (1987 posts) -

I would be very willing to help you out when i can, my access to my xbox is a little sporadic because I am away quite often, but at the very least i will check your spelling and grammar. 

#12 Posted by Ravenlight (8040 posts) -

Collaboration = teh awesome.

If I have time this week, I'd love to help out. If not, props to everyone for coming together and making the site more awesome.

#13 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

Unless I follow a game obsessively for 10 months, I really am not competent to wiki about it

#14 Posted by raenger (13 posts) -

Submitted a revision with lots of little edits. Just waiting for approval.

#15 Posted by EightBitShik (1334 posts) -

I have done my fair share of edits on the site but I realize writing is not my forte. But I do like this topic and I like how you are trying to include the community and I support it. Keep up the good work and help this brother out people if you can. Let's make GB the best wiki in the world!!

#16 Posted by AlexW00d (6281 posts) -

Are we going all out Elder Scrolls: V era Skyrim on all the pages then? When I first wrote the main Skyrim location page I thought it would be best to keep it historical as opposed to what you'd find on the elder Scrolls wiki.

But if we're going to turn the pages into more of a guide than a wiki then I can help out sure.

#17 Posted by Cirdain (3092 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

Are we going all out Elder Scrolls: V era Skyrim on all the pages then? When I first wrote the main Skyrim location page I thought it would be best to keep it historical as opposed to what you'd find on the elder Scrolls wiki.

But if we're going to turn the pages into more of a guide than a wiki then I can help out sure.

You people could start and epic Skyrim guide on the guide section of the website. You know, where people can make guides....

#18 Posted by CptChiken (1987 posts) -
@Sunesha: looking into helping you out with the skyrim wiki. In regards with the Whiterun wiki, i dont think that each district needs a new wiki page, particularly as there isn't any extra information to be found on those pages.
#19 Posted by CptChiken (1987 posts) -

Added a load of info on dawnstar, i didnt add in who is a quest giver because i dont know if we should let the player find that out themselves. All the same added in who is who in Dawnstar and pictures etc.

#20 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@raenger said:

Submitted a revision with lots of little edits. Just waiting for approval.

Sweet@CptChiken said:

@Sunesha: looking into helping you out with the skyrim wiki. In regards with the Whiterun wiki, i dont think that each district needs a new wiki page, particularly as there isn't any extra information to be found on those pages.

It was me thinking ahead. It is more of way to have some historic information.@CptChiken said:

Added a load of info on dawnstar, i didnt add in who is a quest giver because i dont know if we should let the player find that out themselves. All the same added in who is who in Dawnstar and pictures etc.

Great I havnt even checked that place out. Just ran thru it.@EightBitShik said:

I have done my fair share of edits on the site but I realize writing is not my forte. But I do like this topic and I like how you are trying to include the community and I support it. Keep up the good work and help this brother out people if you can. Let's make GB the best wiki in the world!!

@AlexW00d said:

Are we going all out Elder Scrolls: V era Skyrim on all the pages then? When I first wrote the main Skyrim location page I thought it would be best to keep it historical as opposed to what you'd find on the elder Scrolls wiki.

But if we're going to turn the pages into more of a guide than a wiki then I can help out sure.

I am going all out. I am working a lot the history and lore. It is a slow process. But I begin with information relevant to most. I got many drafts waiting to be publish.

#21 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

Hey Cptchicken,

If it was you that added the "shield image" to Dawnstar. Could you when add it to the other capitals for hold. Just as it is really nice refence to have. After all, many people will recognize it from the game.

#22 Posted by ZombiePie (5685 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

Are we going all out Elder Scrolls: V era Skyrim on all the pages then? When I first wrote the main Skyrim location page I thought it would be best to keep it historical as opposed to what you'd find on the elder Scrolls wiki.

But if we're going to turn the pages into more of a guide than a wiki then I can help out sure.

Don't ever write Wiki Entries with the same tone or structure as a Game Guides or FAQs. Wiki entries are meant to be objective and education and avoid providing subjective gaming advice on how best to play the game.

Moderator
#23 Edited by Sunesha (96 posts) -

Just to share information on work tomorrow. Will give some love to tomorrow:

I will love if you guys check my grammar and spelling. I quite good in English, but it is my second language. Feel free to share your work, just post it here in the thread. I will look at it.

Always better to work together. I have seen some nice new information. I think I shall mention the article:

A great start.

Cheers,

#24 Posted by AlexW00d (6281 posts) -

@ZombiePie: That was my point. Does having every NPC and house count as objective though? which is what this thread is about.

#25 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

@ZombiePie: That was my point. Does having every NPC and house count as objective though? which is what this thread is about.

I concentrate on the people and places that fill a function for player. I wont create page for the inn sweeper even that she gots a name. As long she isnt involved in a quest... Also the new misc. objectives make everyone important. For example, the Thieves guild, they have endless supply of quests if you wish. Radiant quest can even make a inn sweeper to the main role in a quest.

A tip for someone to have as small project:

Balgruuf the Greater , has no real biography yet. So good article to start on.

Cheers all,

#26 Posted by ZombiePie (5685 posts) -

@Sunesha said:

@AlexW00d said:

@ZombiePie: That was my point. Does having every NPC and house count as objective though? which is what this thread is about.

I concentrate on the people and places that fill a function for player. I wont create page for the inn sweeper even that she gots a name. As long she isnt involved in a quest... Also the new misc. objectives make everyone important. For example, the Thieves guild, they have endless supply of quests if you wish. Radiant quest can even make a inn sweeper to the main role in a quest.

This is fine as long as wiki entries are not assessing the quality of various stores or weapons or they are describing "The Best Way" to do a questline like a game guide would. Providing detail on who lives where and what they do is fine.

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#27 Posted by Wuddel (2094 posts) -

@Sunesha: This is not the Elder Scrolls wikia. Please do not flood GB with pages not relevant to more than one game. Just keep adding on the existing ones which are shared by more elder Scrolls games.

#28 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@Wuddel said:

@Sunesha: This is not the Elder Scrolls wikia. Please do not flood GB with pages not relevant to more than one game. Just keep adding on the existing ones which are shared by more elder Scrolls games.

I will keep that in consideration. But I cant see how adding relevant information about games as flooding. After all the site itself claims be the largest database on games. It cant become that without well-written articles. Also much in Skyrim is cross referenced into a lot other elder scroll games. Also if you look into the future much information will become relevant in future Elderscroll games. A example is the dark brotherhood. They was first used in Daggerfall. I think who knows, maybe the The Companions will make a comeback in a future game. Even the Blades from Oblivion have small part in Skyrim.

@ZombiePie said:

This is fine as long as wiki entries are not assessing the quality of various stores or weapons or they are describing "The Best Way" to do a questline like a game guide would. Providing detail on who lives where and what they do is fine.

Agreed, we have a guide section for that kind of information..

Shameless self-promotion:

List of safe containers for storage.

#29 Posted by Wuddel (2094 posts) -

@Sunesha: Fair enough. I am not sure how long you have been following the site. But the cool thing are really the long pages. I guess what I saying is, do not be afraid of long pages. Look how crazy long the Bad Company 2 wiki article is. And thats a mere shooter. I say do not spread out the information that far but keep adding to the Sykrim page until you absolutely HAVE to spread it out. So make that at leas has long as the BC2 one and put a TOC on top. People will look there first. You kinda seem to go the opposite direction. I take GB takes a similar approach like Wikipedia, as it is not a "dictionary".

#30 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@Wuddel said:

@Sunesha: Fair enough. I am not sure how long you have been following the site. But the cool thing are really the long pages. I guess what I saying is, do not be afraid of long pages. Look how crazy long the Bad Company 2 wiki article is. And thats a mere shooter. I say do not spread out the information that far but keep adding to the Sykrim page until you absolutely HAVE to spread it out. So make that at leas has long as the BC2 one and put a TOC on top. People will look there first. You kinda seem to go the opposite direction. I take GB takes a similar approach like Wikipedia, as it is not a "dictionary".

Ah, now I understand your point. Skyrim is gigantic, around 600-700 locations and around 2700 nps.. That will be like find a needle in haystack if we dont combine them. I think a good overview is important. That can lead to more detail if you dig deeper.

Cheers

#31 Posted by Wuddel (2094 posts) -

@Sunesha: I think what you try to achieve fits better here. GB has a much more general approach.

#32 Posted by AlexW00d (6281 posts) -

@Wuddel said:

@Sunesha: I think what you try to achieve fits better here. GB has a much more general approach.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make initially.

#33 Posted by ZombiePie (5685 posts) -
@Wuddel said:

@Sunesha: This is not the Elder Scrolls wikia. Please do not flood GB with pages not relevant to more than one game. Just keep adding on the existing ones which are shared by more elder Scrolls games.

@AlexW00d said:

@Wuddel said:

@Sunesha: I think what you try to achieve fits better here. GB has a much more general approach.

Pretty much the point I was trying to make initially.

This is incorrect. Even if a gameplay mechanic, location, or character makes an appearance in Skyrim and Skyrim alone it deserves a Wiki page on Giant Bomb. Giant Bomb is envisioned in being a comprehensive database that covers everything in games.  
When it comes to approaching things in a "general" manner that is the rule about concept pages. 
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#34 Edited by Sunesha (96 posts) -

Can someone check my grammar. The English language has such hard grammar to learn. So I feel if someone that has English as their mother language should check it out. I dont own a word processing software. So I fly around with no hands on the joystick when I write in the English language. This is easy task you can help with...

Edit: I will add all weapons and armor you can forge at Skyforge at a later date. I need to do tables. Working with tables is a small night mare so save that for a rainy day.

Also as said earlier, feel welcome to share your edits on your wiki submissions. I will check them out and help you if I am able.

#35 Posted by AlexW00d (6281 posts) -

@Sunesha: Tidied up the Adrienne page, re-worded a few sentences and got one point. Every little helps hey.

#36 Posted by Wuddel (2094 posts) -

@ZombiePie: Alrighty, then! I still do like long pages.

#37 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@AlexW00d said:

@Sunesha: Tidied up the Adrienne page, re-worded a few sentences and got one point. Every little helps hey.

Thanks, I write myself into a corner. The "flow" is better, easier to read.

Free cookie for you, (It is invisible so if you find it you can have it )

Cheers,

#38 Posted by xMP44x (2193 posts) -

I reworked what existed on the page about Markarth since it is my favorite city in the game. I'll see about adding further stuff to it if I can think of more that's worth sharing.

#39 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@xMP44x said:

I reworked what existed on the page about Markarth since it is my favorite city in the game. I'll see about adding further stuff to it if I can think of more that's worth sharing.

Well done. I love Riften, but will not work until I am done with Whiterun. I did some formating and added images at the article, and a couple small additions. I also submitted the Vlindrel Hall for a article. I will fix it. It will be go hand in hand with my storage container guide.

Also I gave some love to:

Also I added The Circle. I done with the cross-referencing. But will add more later. Feel free to edit.

A future addition would be Silverhands. But I dont want add until I decided to populate the information on the articles.

#40 Edited by Sunesha (96 posts) -
#41 Posted by natetodamax (19208 posts) -
#42 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@Voxel said:

I went and edited all those pages for you, bud.

Thanks man. That is fantastic. Should mention that the Whiterun article is now mentioned in the The Community Spotlight - 01/19/2012.

Couldnt have done it without the help of the communtity.

Should mention a coupe of skeleton articles that can use some love:

If you find another article you want work on, please share with us. We can help each other. I got quite good writing skills. Thou my weakness is that I am writing on my second language. So if you see that I have meddled in article, you can earn some easy points on grammar and spelling correction.

Also if you create article, ask for help and we chip and the article will grow up fast. I concentrate on Whiterun articles. But I meddle in stuff that I am bump into while expand my articles.

#43 Posted by Law313 (110 posts) -

@zombie2011 said:

I like what your doing, i actually avoid going into cities now in Skyrim if i can. It's so overwhelming, you just don't know what to do when you enter a city, where anything is, i don't want to talk to anyone incase they give me a quest that i don't have the time to do. I've only gone to Whiterun and Riften and i wanna keep it like that as long as i can, i stepped foot in Markarth and took one walk around the city realized i didn't have time for it and left.

I never understood that logic. Why would getting the quest, and saving it for later, be hard?

#44 Posted by zombie2011 (4973 posts) -

@Law313 said:

@zombie2011 said:

I like what your doing, i actually avoid going into cities now in Skyrim if i can. It's so overwhelming, you just don't know what to do when you enter a city, where anything is, i don't want to talk to anyone incase they give me a quest that i don't have the time to do. I've only gone to Whiterun and Riften and i wanna keep it like that as long as i can, i stepped foot in Markarth and took one walk around the city realized i didn't have time for it and left.

I never understood that logic. Why would getting the quest, and saving it for later, be hard?

Because if you leave it for later you will forget about the context the quest was given to you. For example i have a quest that says retrieve a sword for _________ i don't know why i'm doing it when i got it all, i know is that it's in my log. I'm sure when i got the quest the guy gave some explanation to why he wants the sword, but i don't remember. It's at this point the quest becomes boring, without the story i don't really care about the quest enough to do it.

#45 Posted by Sunesha (96 posts) -

@zombie2011 said:

Because if you leave it for later you will forget about the context the quest was given to you. For example i have a quest that says retrieve a sword for _________ i don't know why i'm doing it when i got it all, i know is that it's in my log. I'm sure when i got the quest the guy gave some explanation to why he wants the sword, but i don't remember. It's at this point the quest becomes boring, without the story i don't really care about the quest enough to do it.

I play in same kind of style. I always concentrate at one quest line at the time. Thou I sometimes get a quest I had no idea that I had got it. Thou I check online. But I understand your reasoning. Why get a quest if it just a fetch that, kill that and discover that. For me personally I want be immersed into the game. But many items and places also have lore found in books and by speaking with people. The details with quests is what make it fun. Otherwise it be enough with radiant quests only ;-)

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