Most overrated 2012

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#1 Posted by sdharrison (476 posts) -

Late to the party, and victim to all the hype, I finally finished TWD today. Not bad, but the way the whole gaming press got weak in the knees for this title is baffling to me.

*Choices don't matter that much.

*Actual gameplay mechanics are incredibly weak

*Every version of the game has technical shortcomings

*Xbox version is straight up broken on 4gb machines, and nobody really seemed to care all that much in the mainstream press.

It's a solid character driven story with excellent voice acting that does some interesting things with tension. It has pacing problems, lack of gameplay mechanics, technical problems and oversells the impact of your choices.

#2 Posted by LordXavierBritish (6320 posts) -

The Walking Dead is my favorite American visual novel.

#3 Posted by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -

The Walking Dead is my 2012 goty.

#4 Posted by Krullban (1066 posts) -

No it's not. You just didn't like it as much as others.

#5 Edited by sdharrison (476 posts) -

Ehhhhh I don't know man - the stuff I'm pointing out isn't all that subjective. You have to be fair here - it got away with a LOT in terms of technical issues, and the way it oversells player choice is a little shady.

It's GOOD. Not great.

*Edit* In the spirit of the arguments this thread has gotten into, the proper thing to say here was "subjective".

#6 Posted by Funkydupe (3321 posts) -

I liked that it spiked so much buzz and talk around the web; like people talk about the episodes of a TV show only that it continued for months.

#7 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7099 posts) -

Ugh. This again.

#8 Posted by Skytylz (4039 posts) -

If you don't replay it or listen to people talk about the story a lot, it does an excellent job of giving you the illusion that most of the story is affected by. It does this better than any game I've ever played. Also, it's probably the best video game story I've experienced. The dialogue and voice acting made everything in other games pitiful. I'll agree that the gameplay sucks, but that isn't why I loved this game. I didn't have any technical problems on PC either.

#9 Posted by killacam (1278 posts) -

ah cram it.

#10 Posted by SuperWristBands (2266 posts) -

I felt the way choices didn't matter to be total bullshit and it really made me have to ignore some things to keep myself into the story.

I totally agree with your points and, of course, as you say it is still definitely a good game.

#11 Posted by Rainbowkisses (467 posts) -

Opinion is subjective. How can something be overrated/underrated?

#12 Edited by Sgtpierceface (645 posts) -

The Walking Dead was under-rated. It's better than reviews say it is.

Yep, I flipped it around on you.

#13 Edited by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -

@sdharrison: I don't care if the choices don't actually matter, it felt like they mattered and that it was my story in a way I haven't seen in a game and that was fantastic. I never had any issue with the gameplay, including the shooting sections. I was blessed with having no technical issues when I played (PC) and when it comes to picking my personal goty, I really don't care what hindrances other people experienced. I'm rating the time I spent with the game, not the world's. GOTY.

#14 Posted by LikeaSsur (1592 posts) -

@sdharrison said:

*Choices don't matter that much.

In retrospect, sure, but looking back on anything can leave a bad taste in your mouth. As long as the game made it seem like your choices mattered as you were going through it the first time, the game succeeded. For me, it did just that very well.

*Actual gameplay mechanics are incredibly weak

It was a point and click Adventure game. What was weak about it? If you're talking about the gun segments, okay, sure.

*Every version of the game has technical shortcomings

Mine didn't. Sorry you got the short end of the stick.

*Xbox version is straight up broken on 4gb machines, and nobody really seemed to care all that much in the mainstream press.

Are you sure that problem isn't on your end?

#15 Posted by NoobSauceG7 (1254 posts) -

Nope, that's Journey.

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#16 Posted by mikeeegeee (1575 posts) -

Ah, I also came in here to mention Journey, but only that it was a more important and successful game than The Walking Dead, which is still a great game.

#17 Posted by RollingZeppelin (2112 posts) -

It was a great game to me, your opinion holds no water. DEAL WITH IT.

#18 Posted by Funkydupe (3321 posts) -

Solve this with a dance off. DANCE OFF!

#19 Posted by Bourbon_Warrior (4523 posts) -

It's a cool story but really nothing else

#20 Posted by sdharrison (476 posts) -

@LikeaSsur said:

@sdharrison said:

*Choices don't matter that much.

In retrospect, sure, but looking back on anything can leave a bad taste in your mouth. As long as the game made it seem like your choices mattered as you were going through it the first time, the game succeeded. For me, it did just that very well.

*Actual gameplay mechanics are incredibly weak

It was a point and click Adventure game. What was weak about it? If you're talking about the gun segments, okay, sure.

*Every version of the game has technical shortcomings

Mine didn't. Sorry you got the short end of the stick.

*Xbox version is straight up broken on 4gb machines, and nobody really seemed to care all that much in the mainstream press.

Are you sure that problem isn't on your end?

Yeah the 4gb problem is recognized, and the official response was to have people prove ownership of that 360 model and the CD version, then get a free download code to download each episode from XBL. They won't fit on the 4gb model, so people needed to either use a USB stick and cycle them in or purchase a retail harddrive which solved the issue. Refunds were not offered by Telltale or from retailers. It was bad and it's real.

I played it on PC and experienced fairly regular hitching on a machine that runs current gen titles just fine.

The point and click adventuring wasn't a problem. The problem was an overal lack of any real mechanics. Most of the mechanical things you do are merely to get from one dialog to the other. Which is fine, but relevant to my argument. Again, I liked the game. It just has too many caveats, issues, and missing pieces to deserve the collective praise the gaming press heaped on.

#21 Posted by awesomeusername (4218 posts) -

Hush you big baby.

#22 Posted by ChinaDontCare (111 posts) -

It was my Dark Knight Rises of 2012, so much Hype really not that good in any way.

#23 Posted by MegaMetaTurtle (414 posts) -

I was going to come in here and warn you that you can't win this argument. There's almost a cult level dedication to this game.

Looks you might have just discovered this for yourself though...

#24 Posted by sdharrison (476 posts) -

Yeah, it's interesting. Maybe it's because of how much people care about the characters in the game? I admit I really had a few moments tug at my heartstrings.

#25 Edited by ArtisanBreads (3997 posts) -

@MariachiMacabre said:

Ugh. This again.

Yeah.

We get it. Wasn't to your tastes.

It wasn't overrated.

@MegaMetaTurtle said:

I was going to come in here and warn you that you can't win this argument. There's almost a cult level dedication to this game. Looks you might have just discovered this for yourself though...

Or people just, you know, like it.

#26 Posted by DukesT3 (1945 posts) -

BOOM!

Hey thanks for your opinion.

#27 Posted by MegaMetaTurtle (414 posts) -
@ArtisanBreads Its not just that. People can like whatever they want to.

It's that any time someone posts that they didn't like the game for whatever reason they just get mobbed.

Surely if people are allowed to like something someone else doesn't, then people are allowed to dislike something someone else does?
#28 Edited by ArtisanBreads (3997 posts) -

@MegaMetaTurtle said:

@ArtisanBreads Its not just that. People can like whatever they want to. It's that any time someone posts that they didn't like the game for whatever reason they just get mobbed. Surely if people are allowed to like something someone else doesn't, then people are allowed to dislike something someone else does?

The game isn't overrated. It's not to his tastes. Surely people are allowed to like something someone else doesn't... yet his thread goes against that in its tone and attitude.

The thing that bothers people is that kind of attitude and people who say it's a "non-game".

No one says the game doesn't have its deficiencies. But it does its strengths better than 99% of games.

#29 Posted by altairre (1285 posts) -

@Rainbowkisses said:

Opinion is subjective. How can something be overrated/underrated?

If this was clear to everybody there wouldn't be over 1000 comments on the DmC review. You're totally right though.

#30 Posted by LikeaSsur (1592 posts) -

@sdharrison: Your problem sounds pretty sucky, but I still don't think this detracts from the game itself.

Also, why did you play it if you knew it was just an adventure game? What were you expecting from a game in that genre, let alone a Telltale game?

#31 Posted by MegaMetaTurtle (414 posts) -
@ArtisanBreads He didn't say that it's a non-game. He said the game play was weak. Which is his opinion. I play and enjoy point-and-clicks, and I agree.

Also, it's his opinion that it's overrated, same as it's your opinion that it's not.

It's just annoying that any time anyone trys to even hint at saying something bad about the game it gets jumped on immediately. As if their opinion is invalid because it's not in the majority.
#32 Posted by Abendlaender (2889 posts) -

Eh, I didn't really like it either but I can see why other people like it. I just didn't like any of the characters (and I know this sounds weird cause everybody seems to love the characters) so I just couldn't give a shit about anything. And normally I loooooooove a good story but this one just didn't grab me. Still, I like Telltale so I'm glad this is popular, even though I stopped after Episode 2 and never looked back

#33 Posted by sdharrison (476 posts) -

Notice I'm not saying Telltale did a shitty job, or throwing them under the bus.

What I'm saying is, the gaming press overpraised the game. Heavily. By the time I got around to buying and playing it, I was expecting an emotionally riveting journey shaped in part by my choices. Mechanically, the biggest point of praise seemed to come from those choices being made under duress, thus creating more tension than most dialog wheel fare we see. I thought the end result had elements that fulfilled that promise, and elements that did not. Some episodes had pacing issues. The game had enough technical issues to warrant discussion. The choice mechanic was a clever mirage.

I've read a defense in this thread twice now that if you didn't NOTICE the mechanics were a lie, then it shouldn't matter because it worked. Sure, that's fine. But that isn't game of the year. That's slight of hand of the year.

To me, this is a very clear cut example of overpraise.

#34 Posted by Junkerman (279 posts) -

@sdharrison:Its because it was a fantastic story telling experience and thats pretty rare in games so it received positive attention for doing something unique.

#35 Posted by Colourful_Hippie (4495 posts) -

This thread is overrated

#36 Posted by Sackmanjones (4761 posts) -

Your opinion is wrong mother fucker. My opinions are right and I say this game is awesome.

#37 Posted by PandaBear (1384 posts) -

@sdharrison said:

Late to the party, and victim to all the hype, I finally finished TWD today. Not bad, but the way the whole gaming press got weak in the knees for this title is baffling to me.

*Choices don't matter that much.

*Actual gameplay mechanics are incredibly weak

*Every version of the game has technical shortcomings

*Xbox version is straight up broken on 4gb machines, and nobody really seemed to care all that much in the mainstream press.

It's a solid character driven story with excellent voice acting that does some interesting things with tension. It has pacing problems, lack of gameplay mechanics, technical problems and oversells the impact of your choices.

4GB Xbox? Not trying to sound elitist... but upgrade that shit dog. The reason the mainstream press doesn't care (and by that you most likely actually mean the enthusiast press) is because they probably don't own or use a 4GB Xbox.

#38 Posted by laserbolts (5369 posts) -

While I did enjoy my time with it I agree with you. If writing in videogames wasnt so damn awful it wouldnt have been such a big deal. It sucked to play through some of the action parts too.

#39 Posted by Pr1mus (3951 posts) -

Can we move on to the next terrible never ending debate please?

This one got old months ago.

#40 Posted by Coafi (1494 posts) -

I don't get it, why start a thread like this? When you know almost everybody loved this game, so a lot of people are going to either tell you "you're wrong" or "well, that's your opinion". This thread seems pretty pointless if you really want people to agree with you, you should explain in the OP with more detail why it's such a terrible game. The whole it's got a bug thing that only hit a very small percentage of players it is not the best argument.

#41 Edited by TheHumanDove (2523 posts) -

Mass Effect 3 ending was bad

#42 Posted by ArtisanBreads (3997 posts) -

@Coafi said:

I don't get it, why start a thread like this? When you know almost everybody loved this game, so a lot of people are going to either tell you "you're wrong" or "well, that's your opinion". This thread seems pretty pointless if you really want people to agree with you, you should explain in the OP with more detail why it's such a terrible game. The whole it's got a bug thing that only hit a very small percentage of players it is not the best argument.

Exactly. There is no point to this.

And beyond that, the game's fans acknowledge all the weaknesses. Yet it was my second favorite game last year for its writing, character interactions, and plot.

#43 Edited by sdharrison (476 posts) -

@Coafi said:

I don't get it, why start a thread like this? When you know almost everybody loved this game, so a lot of people are going to either tell you "you're wrong" or "well, that's your opinion". This thread seems pretty pointless if you really want people to agree with you, you should explain in the OP with more detail why it's such a terrible game. The whole it's got a bug thing that only hit a very small percentage of players it is not the best argument.

Well first of all, it doesn't seem like you bothered to read my OP. And if you did, you invented an entirely different post in your head to respond to.

I said I enjoyed the game, but its choice system, mechanics and unpolished release were very real issues that contributed to an experience that was GOOD, not great. The gaming press billed it as unquestionably GREAT. So, I said it was overrated. I don't really see how that is so unfair

#44 Posted by sdharrison (476 posts) -

@ArtisanBreads said:

@Coafi said:

I don't get it, why start a thread like this? When you know almost everybody loved this game, so a lot of people are going to either tell you "you're wrong" or "well, that's your opinion". This thread seems pretty pointless if you really want people to agree with you, you should explain in the OP with more detail why it's such a terrible game. The whole it's got a bug thing that only hit a very small percentage of players it is not the best argument.

Exactly. There is no point to this.

And beyond that, the game's fans acknowledge all the weaknesses. Yet it was my second favorite game last year for its writing, character interactions, and plot.

I played a game, formulated some thoughts on it, and posted it to my gaming community message board of choice to bounce those ideas off other people. You don't have to participate if you don't want to. Sorry.

#45 Posted by StarvingGamer (8558 posts) -
@sdharrison If a majority of the gaming press's experience with TWD mirrors a majority of the gaming public's experience with TWD, then how is it overrated? Or do you honestly believe that everyone is just lying and pretending that they enjoyed the game far more than they did?
#46 Posted by Godlyawesomeguy (6403 posts) -

The Walking Dead is, indeed, the most overrated 2012 out there.

#47 Posted by sdharrison (476 posts) -

@StarvingGamer said:

@sdharrison If a majority of the gaming press's experience with TWD mirrors a majority of the gaming public's experience with TWD, then how is it overrated? Or do you honestly believe that everyone is just lying and pretending that they enjoyed the game far more than they did?

That isn't my business. I'm just expressing how I genuinely felt about the experience of the game in relation to everything I've heard/read about it from the media. I don't have an ulterior motive other than discussing it

#48 Posted by StarvingGamer (8558 posts) -
@sdharrison Well that's very confusing isn't it, now saying that whether or not the game was overrated is none of your business when that seems to be the basis for this entire thread?
#49 Posted by notdavid (842 posts) -

Some people like adventure games. Some people don't. You can't really judge a game based on standards put in place by genres it doesn't belong to. If you compare the shooting in episodes 3 and 4 to something like Call of Duty, of course it sucks. If you compare the puzzles to something like Braid, you're not going to get a lot out of them. But if you compare it to what the classic LucasArts adventures, King's Quest series, and Infocom text adventures did with using the medium of games to immerse the player in a world or story, TWD did some pretty mind-blowing stuff with the plot and actually improved on the game mechanics of adventure games in general.

#50 Posted by cmblasko (1352 posts) -

My opinions on the game are very similar to the OP's. I realized that none of the choices I was making really mattered about halfway into Episode 3 and that sort of lessened the amount of tension that the decision-making process was supposed to generate, which kind of damaged the story overall for me. I agree with the "good, but not great game" sentiment.

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