Rhianna Pratchett Is Tomb Raider's Lead Writer

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#101 Posted by Vodun (2370 posts) -

@EthanML said:

Sure, put that photo out to the internet, just bait the tide of rape jokes so we can start all over again.

What in the flying fuck are you talking about?

#102 Edited by paulwade1984 (478 posts) -

Yeah this isn't really news. Also the idea that having a female writer in some way invalidates the sexism argument is sexist in itself.

Being "pc" is fun isn't it.

Anyways, Rhianna is lovely. I used to talk to her all the time on the pc zone chat channel on quakenet. back when she used to write for pc zone uk magazine. Carved herself a career in this business from the bottom to the top. Famous father was well respected and awesome, but she never played that to her advantage. Sad day when he announced his Alzheimer's.

#103 Posted by DexterKid (668 posts) -

@mtcantor said:

@BrianP said:

@EthanML: Well that is the photo from the "about" section on her own website, so let's just call out and blame the trolls when they say fucked up things rather than blame someone for posting a photo (which by the way is just her face with some makeup on) which will somehow cause an uncontrollable reaction from the internet.

SHE LOOKS LIKE A GIRL IT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE IT MUST BE SEXIST!

This is all so CREEPY and GROSS!!!

#104 Posted by Nettacki (1317 posts) -
@Village_Guy said:

Good for them, hopefully this will shut up all the people complaining about sexism and such in the game - since a woman wrote it and all.

If they had said this earlier, they could have avoided some grief over sexism I think, but maybe they decided to wait - the game did get plenty of press and mentions because of that - and the majority of people talking about the game wasn't attacking it.

As many have said, that's a bit of a double standard, isn't it?
#105 Edited by PenguinDust (12511 posts) -

God, I hope this news doesn't reignite this well-spent topic. Wait for the game to actually come out before we get into this particular controversy again, please.

#106 Posted by Blackout62 (1340 posts) -

Vaguely glancing culturally aware people read that headline as "Rhianna Is Tomb Raider's Lead Writer", while vaguely glancing culturally aware lit-nerds read it as "Terry Pratchett Is Tomb Raider's Lead Writer".

#107 Posted by MonkeyKing1969 (2768 posts) -

This is all "Dog & Pony Show" stuff, early in the week the trotted out the voice actor to explain why she was passionate about the game, and now they bring out Pratchett...who by-the-way was on the project from early on...to explain how important Lara is to her.

It is all 'theater' meant to pour oil on the waves around Crystal Dynamics leaky rowboat. The sad fact is those women didn't cause the problem, but now they are tasked with bailing out the boat for the 'good ol' boys' who shoot it full of holes.

Neither the VO actress for Lara or the writer being women changes the MANY issues the game has, if a woman writes something "troubling" and "creepy" about a woman character that is still creepy. If an actress play the role of an abused woman that doesn't make the action less creepy.

#108 Posted by Zimbo (875 posts) -

I'm a big fan of Terry Pratchett and I loved Mirrors Edge though it was all due to the setting and gameplay and not the story. I'm willing to give her a second chance to prove herself as a writer though.

#109 Posted by Korwin (2864 posts) -
#110 Posted by hermes (1474 posts) -

I am not into complaining about the game until its released but this is all damage control over the declarations of the developers.

If Pratchett was so involved and so important in the development of the character, this would have been brought as a defense a long time ago; after all the maelstrom in the press, now (in a conference) they remember that all those controversial scenes were written by a woman?. The cynic in me can't help to notice that this coincides with the model interview, like they are now bringing every woman involved in the game to prove that "hey, look, we know women, we even have some working on it. See? That makes it cool, right?". I don't even know for how long exactly she was "involved".

By the way, being a woman doesn't automatically disqualify her to be "sexist", as being a minority doesn't mean you can't be racist. I am not going to attack the game before I see it, but I am not going to change my opinion because of this, either...

#111 Posted by Chroma_Auron (112 posts) -

@OneManX said:

I think a lot of people jumped on it, b/c it was men talking about a female character and what she had to go through. It makes more sense for a woman to right a good coming of age type story starring a female, than a male. Iguess is what the quote was going for. I dunno, I found all the "outrage" about the whole demo dumb to begin with.

The issue was how they all were phrasing things and handling it. People were concerned about how things were handle and statements by the company didn't relive those concerns That interview with the executive producer did make it out to look like they were making the horrific experience that Lara goes through as selling points. Then an developer and the head of Eidos retracted his statements saying "we don't cover sexual assault in our story" (paraphrased) despite a video shows an almost sexual assault.

While there is a female writer, it doesn't mean it won't be sexist. We will have to wait and see if the game it's self is sexist or not.

#112 Posted by Lurkero (399 posts) -

It seems like Tomb Raider has been discussed for everything EXCEPT a good action adventure game.

#113 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3865 posts) -

@GERALTITUDE said:

This whole reveal is fucked.

1. It's a smart PR move at this point. People's minds are simple, and this will quell some of the anger.

2. A woman writing the game doesn't change anything. It can still be sexist.

3. Look at that picture of Pratchett. There's your sexism right there. So many women (except Hennig) who are involved in games development are shown like this. If she was a man it'd be 100% casual.

What the hell are you talking about?? That's a photo from her own damn website a photo she probably paid for and approved and probably likes. Goddamnit could we not call sexism on every friggin thing?? Yeah you're totally right, any woman who has a picture of herself where she looks attractive has clearly fallen victim to the misogynist game culture.

Bloody hell.

#114 Posted by TheVeteran13 (1209 posts) -

RAPE

#115 Edited by Vorbis (2750 posts) -

Great news, was worried she had got out of the gaming industry, hadn't worked on any games for a while but was obviously keeping something quiet.

#116 Posted by KawaiiInbou (38 posts) -

@BrockNRolla: I'm worried 'our' point went over your head; we were mocking people making the kind of statement jackdanger was 'parodying'.

#117 Posted by Hunter5024 (5667 posts) -

She did Heavenly Sword? This pleases me!

#118 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

@tapuki said:

@BrockNRolla: I'm worried 'our' point went over your head; we were mocking people making the kind of statement jackdanger was 'parodying'.

Upon rereading my post, yes, my writing totally made it seem like you were on the other side of the fence. We are in agreement. I understood that it was a parody and was agreeing with the stupidity of that sentiment, though clearly that didn't come across in the transitional sentence after your quote. Good catch.

#119 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

@TheSouthernDandy said:

@GERALTITUDE said:

This whole reveal is fucked.

1. It's a smart PR move at this point. People's minds are simple, and this will quell some of the anger.

2. A woman writing the game doesn't change anything. It can still be sexist.

3. Look at that picture of Pratchett. There's your sexism right there. So many women (except Hennig) who are involved in games development are shown like this. If she was a man it'd be 100% casual.

What the hell are you talking about?? That's a photo from her own damn website a photo she probably paid for and approved and probably likes. Goddamnit could we not call sexism on every friggin thing?? Yeah you're totally right, any woman who has a picture of herself where she looks attractive has clearly fallen victim to the misogynist game culture.

Bloody hell.

An interesting argument. Geraltitude - I think points 1 & 2 are totally solid. But I think you're extrapolating point 3 a bit too far. My first thought was that the writer of this story was making a subtle remark about sexuality and representation of women in the industry by choosing that picture over a more normal one. But, it's also just the first image that comes up in a google search, so take your pick as far as this website's intent.

Consider though also that she put this picture on her website to represent herself, and in that way, she's using her sexuality to market her own image. I don't know that this is sexism. Unless she can be sexist against herself? I don't know, that sounds odd. If anything I see this as more troubling because that kind of personal representation casts some doubt one whether or not she really is capable or writing a Lara Croft that isn't tinged with weird sexuality as well.

#120 Edited by dezvous (546 posts) -

Some people are stupid.

#121 Posted by sickVisionz (1268 posts) -
Knowing a woman was chiefly involved in setting the tone and establishing the context of this new game, one that finds Lara Croft put in harrowing, formative situations, would have framed the conversation differently.

You mean the grandiose and ridiculous white knighting would have been kept in check?

#122 Posted by Hailinel (24692 posts) -

@tapuki said:

@leejunfan83 said:

@Toug said:

@jackDanger said:

Oh I get it, the rape stuff is ok now, there's a woman working on it! Also I'm not racist, I have black friends.

^^ This. Yeah.

There's no rape in the game, you chuckleheads.

#123 Posted by WarlordPayne (700 posts) -

@BrockNRolla said:

Consider though also that she put this picture on her website to represent herself, and in that way, she's using her sexuality to market her own image. I don't know that this is sexism. Unless she can be sexist against herself? I don't know, that sounds odd. If anything I see this as more troubling because that kind of personal representation casts some doubt one whether or not she really is capable or writing a Lara Croft that isn't tinged with weird sexuality as well.

What in the hell are you talking about? How is she using her sexuality to market herself in that picture? She's standing there fully clothed looking over her shoulder with some make-up on.

What is wrong with you people?

#124 Posted by m2cks (583 posts) -

@WarlordPayne said:

@BrockNRolla said:

Consider though also that she put this picture on her website to represent herself, and in that way, she's using her sexuality to market her own image. I don't know that this is sexism. Unless she can be sexist against herself? I don't know, that sounds odd. If anything I see this as more troubling because that kind of personal representation casts some doubt one whether or not she really is capable or writing a Lara Croft that isn't tinged with weird sexuality as well.

What in the hell are you talking about? How is she using her sexuality to market herself in that picture? She's standing there fully clothed looking over her shoulder with some make-up on.

What is wrong with you people?

To be fair, Rolla's quote was partially taken out of context. But even so, it still makes little sense, and I agree with you; it's just a picture of a woman, nothing else. People will over-analyze anything.

#125 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3865 posts) -

@BrockNRolla said:

Consider though also that she put this picture on her website to represent herself, and in that way, she's using her sexuality to market her own image. I don't know that this is sexism. Unless she can be sexist against herself? I don't know, that sounds odd. If anything I see this as more troubling because that kind of personal representation casts some doubt one whether or not she really is capable or writing a Lara Croft that isn't tinged with weird sexuality as well.

...I would love for you to explain to me how this picture (a picture that I'd like to point out she is full dressed in, not revealing anything, not bent over grabbing her ass or anything close to that) troubles you or casts doubt about her ability to write Lara Croft without making it weirdly sexual. Explain to me please how a picture in which the only thing she can be accused of is looking attractive, worries you? Last time I checked taking a flattering picture of yourself isn't a crime or a sign that you're selling your body.

Am I the only one completely baffled by comments like these? Am I just completely missing some insidious undercurrent of sexism and misogyny here?

#126 Posted by WarlordPayne (700 posts) -

@TheSouthernDandy: No, you're not the only one. These people are fucking insane and honestly starting to worry me after a few of the comments about her picture.

I'd also like to point out that in Dragon Age:Origins if you are female there are instances where it is implied that enemies intend to rape you, you are told of people within the world that were raped, and if you do the city elf origin story your female cousin is beaten and raped...yet all of that was apparently fine because there was no bandwagon to jump on.

#127 Posted by GaspoweR (3017 posts) -

Seeing some of the comments here, people are becoming overzealous with naming anything remotely attractive or even alluring (its not even suggestive at all) as something sexist. WTF has happened GB? I thought we would be better and more rational than rhis. However, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

#128 Posted by 2HeadedNinja (1617 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

So Patrick couldn't find a picture of Pratchett so he just posted a picture of Morgan Webb? Also I find all the Sexisum talk very interesting now.

What are you talking about? Thats a picture of her? ... And now I have to get this even if it's jus because I adore her father.

#129 Edited by MyNameIsJoe (184 posts) -

I want a new Overlord! Sorry I have nothing better to contribute to this article.

#130 Posted by BestUsernameEver (4825 posts) -

Cockeyed eyes.

#131 Posted by ThePhantomStranger (359 posts) -

It's 4am, I thought Rhianna meant the singer...then I actually read the article...then I felt bad...sorry...

#132 Posted by StarvingGamer (8227 posts) -

Man, WTF happened to this thread.

@Hangnail said:

HOLY SHIT! Lauren Winter is real?!

You mean Aurélie Bancilhon?

#133 Edited by biggiedubs (493 posts) -

From the little I know about the video game industry, I feel that just because she's the writer doesn't necessarily mean she'll have the final say on where the game is going / what happens. REGARDLESS of sex, sexuality or attractiveness. Often times they'll design and create something that looks / plays cool, and then draft in a writer to add the context later on. Maybe that's the case here, maybe it's not, but a woman being a writer on a game can sometimes mean absolutely jack-shit in the grand scheme of things. Mirror's Edge neither had the best writing, or much of an opportunity to make a decent plot, if memory serves. I remember a ex-wrestler guy called Ropeburn and a really obvious betrayal and hostage taking event, though. Really exciting and original, but necessary for the plot.

This seems like a really silly article in my eyes. Giant Bomb has a torrid history in terms of idiots and ignorant people on the topic of women in gaming, along with the rest of the internet, so of course it was going to degrade into stupid, ignorant comments. It has to. It's the fucking internet. And for the supposed ground we're making to school the ingrates, I feel that is a battle will always lose due to the size of the problem. Smart, respectful people aren't usually out there making a ruckus in comments sections or forums, even if it's smart, respectful way and aimed to teach others.

Also, can we please get to a point where 'this woman is working on a game' isn't a news article? I know it's somewhat interesting due to previous comments about the game, but c'mon. At least mention the fact that she's the daughter of Terry Pratchett in the article, that's a fact I'm sure some people might be interested in.

I question to what actually the purpose of asking her opinion about the game is too. You think she's actually going to say, 'this game is disrespectful to women'? Then what, she'd start looking for jobs the next morning? Regardless of how she actually thinks about the game, it's not as if she's going to be allowed to say it.

#134 Posted by ptys (1953 posts) -

Eh!!! This game is trying too hard, just release the f%#king thing!

#135 Posted by Brodehouse (9949 posts) -
@BrockNRolla Are you completely out of your mind? It's a picture of her wearing makeup! You think Jack Tretton doesn't comb his hair and wash his face before he takes a publicity photo?

This is exactly what I feared, the white knighting has gone to the point where in the urge to defend women they cease to understand a woman's actual point of view. Wanting to look presentable or somewhat attractive on camera does not make you a slut. Fucking hell.
#136 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

@WarlordPayne: @m2cks: @TheSouthernDandy:

Yes, it's a picture. She isn't partially nude. She isn't bending over to pick something up. She isn't eating a banana. It isn't overtly sexualized, and I certainly wouldn't say there is something wrong with someone having an attractive picture of themselves up on their website (Assuming you would say she was attractive). It is however the equivalent of a glamor shot, which doesn't look quite in line with her chose profession of "writer." It struck me as odd. To what extent that strikes you as odd is a matter of perspective.

Largely, I was just trying to stir things up with a hypothetical about how people represent themselves and how that could reflect on their creations. I'm not sure I even subscribe to it in this situation, but I wanted to see thoughts on it; which I certainly got in spades. It was, as m2cks said, an exercise in overanalysis.

#137 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

@Brodehouse:

I don't know if you read my subsequent comment, since as your post showed up before it (at least on my comp) though was evidently posted 11 minutes after. As I said there:

Largely, I was just trying to stir things up with a hypothetical about how people represent themselves and how that could reflect on their creations. I'm not sure I even subscribe to it in this situation, but I wanted to see thoughts on it; which I certainly got in spades. It was, as m2cks said, an exercise in overanalysis.

It was meant to be pushing the limits of what you could read into it.

But come on man. I never said she looked like a "slut." That's uncalled for.

#138 Posted by Brodehouse (9949 posts) -
@BrockNRolla Yeah I don't mean to jump that far down your throat, but tha statement strikes a nerve with me. Because its exactly the kind of thing that prevents any sort of evolution of gender or sex in western culture. The idea that the only way to be a woman in business (or society) is to dress and act like a man is repellant to me. Or that the only reason a woman would want to appear attractive is for the benefit of men.

In the whole Tomb Raider debates my position has always been that all the forced chivalry is infantilizing at best and condescending otherwise. It's actually more damaging than plain old misogynists and bigots, because no one takes them seriously for very long.

I find it amusing that people are using "oh of course they're talking about the female members on staff NOW" as if they weren't there before. Like I said, it's more condescending and sexist that people automatically assumed that the entirety of Crystal D and the Tomb Raider dev staff were all men. And all men who hate women, and have never had a mother, a wife or a daughter. That guy's comments about "protecting" Lara probably has more to do with him being an older man and her a girl entering adulthood. But of course not, it's because he's an awful misogynist. Sigh.
#139 Posted by TheDudeOfGaming (6078 posts) -

I get 2 things out of this.

  • That chick is smoking hot.
  • It ain't Jennifer Helper.

While I have no interest in playing the game, I'm happy about the whole thing.

#140 Posted by BrockNRolla (1702 posts) -

@Brodehouse said:

@BrockNRolla Yeah I don't mean to jump that far down your throat, but tha statement strikes a nerve with me. Because its exactly the kind of thing that prevents any sort of evolution of gender or sex in western culture. The idea that the only way to be a woman in business (or society) is to dress and act like a man is repellant to me. Or that the only reason a woman would want to appear attractive is for the benefit of men. In the whole Tomb Raider debates my position has always been that all the forced chivalry is infantilizing at best and condescending otherwise. It's actually more damaging than plain old misogynists and bigots, because no one takes them seriously for very long. I find it amusing that people are using "oh of course they're talking about the female members on staff NOW" as if they weren't there before. Like I said, it's more condescending and sexist that people automatically assumed that the entirety of Crystal D and the Tomb Raider dev staff were all men. And all men who hate women, and have never had a mother, a wife or a daughter. That guy's comments about "protecting" Lara probably has more to do with him being an older man and her a girl entering adulthood. But of course not, it's because he's an awful misogynist. Sigh.

Hey, no harm done. Nothing wrong with feeling charged by a topic. You've got lots of good points there and I wouldn't attempt to refute any of them. I don't think there is anything wrong with people standing up to things they feel are wrong, regardless of how they are personally effected, but people should certainly consider where those attitudes are coming from so they aren't trampling over other relevant views with their personal stance on an issue.

I do think reasonable minds can differ on the meaning of the developer's comments about "protecting" Lara, but the game, and not the staff, is really where the debate should remain focused.

#141 Posted by Arbie (1449 posts) -

Rhianna Pratchett? Awesome. I was already curious about this game but now I'm looking forward to it a bunch more since I'm a fan of her father's writing!

I scanned through some of the comments hoping to find fellow Terry fans but instead I seemed to be overwhelmed with posts about her appearance. wtd.

#142 Posted by ripelivejam (3930 posts) -

fuck me these comments are ridiculous

wish i knew more about her besides her being her father's daughter (only played a little of Mirror's Edge, shame on me), but hopefully she brings some depth and nuance to TR to help offset the recent bad press.

#143 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3865 posts) -

@BrockNRolla: Fair enough, I just think this topic has been overanalyzed to death over the past month so a comment like that just sounds insane. I think we have enough actual examples of sexism flying around that we don't need to find it where it doesn't exist.

#144 Posted by Dagbiker (6976 posts) -

@2HeadedNinja said:

@Dagbiker said:

So Patrick couldn't find a picture of Pratchett so he just posted a picture of Morgan Webb? Also I find all the Sexisum talk very interesting now.

What are you talking about? Thats a picture of her? ... And now I have to get this even if it's jus because I adore her father.

I realize that, I was just making a comment about how much she looks like Morgan Webb.

#145 Posted by pmurph (78 posts) -

@Tidel said:

She is the lesser Pratchett.

But a lesser Pratchett is still a worthy amount of Pratchett.

No speaking ill of any Pratchett! has a point though , all of the old discworld adventure games are fantastic.

#146 Posted by jakob187 (21670 posts) -

Sooooo...we're supposed to just say "oh, a woman is writing it so it's okay"? I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter what gender the person is who happened to write the film. The question still remains: does Lara need to get nearly raped, does she need to be beaten to a bloody pulp, and what is this game really accomplishing with all of this stuff? Everything I've seen and heard of the game so far seems to say "women need to get the shit kicked out of them in order to overcome adversity and be powerful". That's still pretty fucked up.

Sorry. You guys can drop it all you want, but if you want to talk about equality all the time in this world, then you need to treat it with equality. You cannot just say something is terrible because you all assumed it was a male-driven project behind the scenes, but then say it's acceptable when a woman does it, and the same vice versa.

#147 Posted by IBeDanYo (22 posts) -

lol funny. I doubt it will shut the people up that keep complaining the game is sexist, but still pretty funny regardless.

#148 Posted by IBeDanYo (22 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

@2HeadedNinja said:

@Dagbiker said:

So Patrick couldn't find a picture of Pratchett so he just posted a picture of Morgan Webb? Also I find all the Sexisum talk very interesting now.

What are you talking about? Thats a picture of her? ... And now I have to get this even if it's jus because I adore her father.

I realize that, I was just making a comment about how much she looks like Morgan Webb.

I was going to say she looks like Chyna. But Morgan Webb works too.

#149 Edited by IntoTheN1ght (62 posts) -

Fantastic!

I loved the knee jerk reaction of some males full of guilt and self hatred and the feminazi group that attacked Eidos and the developers, there is a huge thread on Neogaf where white knights gathered their swords and armor and went bravely into battle. Ofcourse that thread has dissapeared since this news came out, anyone who disagreed was deemed a sick, twisted, misogynist hell bent on keeping women down.

And now this. Most of the times when companies finance and create a product, they just want to entertain people in exchange for money, that is how 99% of all products work. Few very have ulterior motives, such as making young men who play videogames hate women! RAWR!

That same group almost went after female tennis players at this years Wimbeldon because "they were making sex sounds" as they were hitting the ball.

People seriously need to chill out

#150 Posted by mtcantor (948 posts) -

@IntoTheN1ght said:

Fantastic!

I loved the knee jerk reaction of some males full of guilt and self hatred and the feminazi group that attacked Eidos and the developers, there is a huge thread on Neogaf where white knights gathered their swords and armor and went bravely into battle. Ofcourse that thread has dissapeared since

And now this. Most of the times when companies finance and create a product, they just want to entertain people in exchange for money, that is how 99% of all products work. Few very have ulterior motives, such as making young men who play videogames hate women! RAWR!

That same group almost went after female tennis players at this years Wimbeldon because "they were making sex sounds" as they were hitting the ball.

People seriously need to chill out

You know, I really want to agree with everything you said (because you are right on) but you used the word "feminazi" and that just gives me douche chills.

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