To be completely honest I really think Dennis should've been the bigger man and avoided all this bullshit. I can understand his logic and I agree with some of what he said on 1up yours but god damn he was really making a mistake with the whole Gaf post.

He should of avoided it definitely, I think also by constantly going on podcasts (such as 1up yours) and bringing up the whole Neo Gaf thing and trying to make his one post some like it makes sense from a huge crazy amount of thinking...then saying "we'll let the reviews do the talking" was a bad idea...because even if you hate game informer, they are the main north american reviewer so far that has one out there( I believe) with a 6.75/10 which is not good... I just see this game getting 6's-7's mostly, and its going to critisize himself on so many levels, I really wanted to like this game..but even if you do..you have to admit for being in development since PS1 days( I believe longer than even Duke Nukem Forever...) and to finally be released soon, what the game is just seems very underwhelming...just get that kind of feeling like...really? after over 10 years this is all they got? it could of been so much more...

In a small way yea, but I think that the points he made are valid and that as he has said before the game will speak for itself.

I think some of the things he's said have been a bit overboard, but all in all he's gotten more press and attention for Too Human than he ever would have another way.

Yeah, more press towards a game that doesn't appear like its gonna get great reviews...so now more people notice those reviews, great job Dennis.

He has made some ver good points in all of this. he has also made some batshit points during the process, and most people have latched onto those. I don't know that alot of people will refrain from geting the game from his actions and statements, pos or neg, but it has forced alot of people into polartiy, with middle ground thinkers getting beaten with rocks.

His savign grace is that the game at elast from what the demo has shown, fucking rocks.

I'm from Canada.  Denis Dyack was recently featured interviewed on a popular Canadian public radio show called, "Q, with Jian Gomeshi".  The interview can be heard if you go to http://www.cbc.ca/podcasting/pastpodcasts.html#ref42.  Click on "Q", then scroll down a bit until you come across the episode that says, "Silicon Knights".

Denis' problems began when he tried to carry on a civilized discourse with people on forum boards.  As it was said in a former Bombcast concerning Denis Dyack, 'people revel in their anonymity'.

While I'm sure it's possible to have a civilized discourse on a forum board, it is also possible for the board to be infiltrated and to deteriorate into:  "you fu*&!n fag(*@&"  Anyone who's been on Xbox Live, or a forum board knows this.

Yes, we should ignore these attacks and move on, but it's very possible for something to be said that is personal and the feeling to strike back is very real.  Real men don't back down and run away.  That's a problem with the anonymity of forum boards and the net in general, there's nothing to retaliate against except some angst filled person who gets his kicks from hurting others(a.k.a. - pychopath).  My sympathies to Denis Dyack for falling into this.  I'm sure he's learned a powerful lesson.

Yea, its really sad how more people are focusing on his shenanigans as opposed to the good points of his game. Some developers have enough charisma to advertise their game but Dyack is just overshadowing his game.

I think Too Human looks like crap and I couldn't possibly care less about it. Denis Dyack has nothing to do with that.

He hurt it by making it seem like it was going to be the greatest and most important game ever made, when it's really just a good game. 

haha.  I have to agree.  Too Human doesn't look like a very good game.  i played the demo and was pretty bored.  Here's the podcast from the CBC interview I just mentioned.  Here's a better link to the interview I mentioned above.  This link makes it easier to find.  After you click here, click on "Q", then scroll down a bit until you see the episode that says, "Silicon Knights".  http://www.cbc.ca/podcasting/pastpodcasts.html#ref42

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I just said that Too Human doesn't look like a very good game.  I take that back.  I meant to say:  it does look like a good game.  I just found that it didn't play very well.  The way the camera controlled, ormoer specifiaclly didn't control, was frustrating.

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"Arjuna said:

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I just said that Too Human doesn't look like a very good game.  I take that back.  I meant to say:  it does look like a good game.  I just found that it didn't play very well.  The way the camera controlled, ormoer specifiaclly didn't control, was frustrating.

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So you are saying that despite the fact that the game isn't good, it's still a good game?"

"BiggerBomb said:

"Arjuna said:

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I just said that Too Human doesn't look like a very good game.  I take that back.  I meant to say:  it does look like a good game.  I just found that it didn't play very well.  The way the camera controlled, ormoer specifiaclly didn't control, was frustrating.

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So you are saying that despite the fact that the game isn't good, it's still a good game?"

lol"

If you don't like the game, why are you here? You've obviously got nothing to say besides "I don't think it's a good game" and nobody is here trying to debate you or convert you.

"If you don't like the game, why are you here? You've obviously got nothing to say besides "I don't think it's a good game" and nobody is here trying to debate you or convert you."

yes, I am saying that the game isn't good and it is also good.  I'm saying that it "looks", good graphics I mean; but that it doesn't play well.

"ArchScabby said:

"BiggerBomb said:

"Arjuna said:

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I just said that Too Human doesn't look like a very good game.  I take that back.  I meant to say:  it does look like a good game.  I just found that it didn't play very well.  The way the camera controlled, ormoer specifiaclly didn't control, was frustrating.

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So you are saying that despite the fact that the game isn't good, it's still a good game?"

lol"

quoted for large amount of "Lulz"."

"Jayge said:

"If you don't like the game, why are you here? You've obviously got nothing to say besides "I don't think it's a good game" and nobody is here trying to debate you or convert you."

>.>"

"I think some of the things he's said have been a bit overboard, but all in all he's gotten more press and attention for Too Human than he ever would have another way."

When you say the game speaks for itself and then go out and upset a gaming community trying to defend your game, I hear mixed messages.

Even if the game doesn't play well.  I will likely at least rent it because the story looks interesting to me.  Since they've planned it to be a trilogy, then I'm sure there's gonna be some interesting story arcs going on.  Norse mythology's good stuff.

"When you say the game speaks for itself and then go out and upset a gaming community trying to defend your game, I hear mixed messages."

Can anyone give a link to the aforementioned Neo Gaf topic?

Which one? There are at least 10 of them.

"Which one? There are at least 10 of them."

The most famous "for or against" one doesn't seem to be accessible to the public anymore. You can view a transcript of it on 1up though. Dyack currently spends a lot of time on TooHuman.net answering questions and kidding around, along with the NeoGAF Official Too Human thread, where he does the same.

Arjuna's post are kind of a great example here.

He/she (moving into general 2np person here) doesn't really care about the game, one way or another, might rent it maybe, but becasue there is so much stuff stirring about about it, feels the need to pop in on the forums for it in various corners of The Tubes, and let their opinions about the game, SK, DD, and anyone who likes the game, be known to all. Which is fine, everyoen is entitled to their opinion, and discussion boards are, surprisingly venues for discussion.

But if there wasn't a big bruhaha over the development and developers of Too Human, most of heose Joe/jane Schmoes wouldn't bother posting anything about the game.

If DD hadn't been talking stuff, Arjuna wouldnt' have come on here to post links to his interviews, despite feeling the game is not good.

i agree with him though when ppl say a game sucks and havent even played the game that is bull play the game before you say anything but i think he is cool some of his points are right

for this type of game, which consists of nothing other than upgrading a character and combat, basically the  console version of what hellgate london became...a 3d diablo, or single player mmo like game with real time combat....can completely be decided by its demo, if you realize you enjoy being a loot whore, you will probably enjoy this game, or at least buy it only for that, if you aren't, then you can easily see just from that demo, this is not the kind of game where a demo doesn't do it justice...a open world game with a ton of different gameplay elements is the type of game that can't be judge by a demo.. but this demo gives you combat and loot, if you are being honest with yourself you'll see that the fighting system that is so 'deep' is incredibily simple and can just be spammed since this game is so piss poor easy, if you want a easy simple game with maybe an interesting story, it could very well be that...just play the demo and if you have, there you go, make your decision because you've played all of the game you are going to play for the entire duration..it isn't gonna change. I just wanted to love this game and came out totally dissapointed, for a game in development for over 10 years and it onl equaled this..its pretty underwhelming and dissapointing.