Kevin Pereira in defense of Too Human

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Dude, I can't stand that guy. Attack of the Show is complete rubbish. I don't know why anybody would get upset that Too Human is apparently not great, but I am disappointed myself. And if the demo is representative of the full game (which it may not be) he's just plain wrong.

I think there are lots of cool ideas attached to that game in one way or another, I hope the sequel is actually decent.

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Dude, I can't stand that guy. Attack of the Show is complete rubbish. I don't know why anybody would get upset that Too Human is apparently not great, but I am disappointed myself. And if the demo is representative of the full game (which it may not be) he's just plain wrong.

I think there are lots of cool ideas attached to that game in one way or another, I hope the sequel is actually decent.

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the demo is representative of the game, because all you do is the combat and loot, and the demo shows it.
and Kevin Pereira is a completely sack of shit who knows nothing, fucking G4 is scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to tv stations.

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the demo is representative of the game, because all you do is the combat and loot, and the demo shows it.
and Kevin Pereira is a completely sack of shit who knows nothing, fucking G4 is scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to tv stations.

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i bet that keyboard is just for show.

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i bet that keyboard is just for show.

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Haha...he does have a point. Kung Fu Panda 6.5...Too Human 5.5?

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Haha...he does have a point. Kung Fu Panda 6.5...Too Human 5.5?

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MB said:

"Haha...he does have a point. Kung Fu Panda 6.5...Too Human 5.5?"

lol yeah.. "fucking kung fu panda"

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MB said:

"Haha...he does have a point. Kung Fu Panda 6.5...Too Human 5.5?"

lol yeah.. "fucking kung fu panda"

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Dude is wrong, game sucks.

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Dude is wrong, game sucks.

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Wow. It seems to me that GameSpot spawns attention.

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Wow. It seems to me that GameSpot spawns attention.

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I really like Kevin Pereira... I also like Adam Sessler. I think too many people base their feelings on the two due to the script they have to read on G4 everyday. I know they chose to work at G4 and you could blame it on themselves, but I think those two could be really awesome journalists if they worked somewhere else that let them speak their minds freely.

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I really like Kevin Pereira... I also like Adam Sessler. I think too many people base their feelings on the two due to the script they have to read on G4 everyday. I know they chose to work at G4 and you could blame it on themselves, but I think those two could be really awesome journalists if they worked somewhere else that let them speak their minds freely.

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Wow! What a bad review.

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Wow! What a bad review.

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Damage Control. Game flopped. Let's all move on now.

GS also uses a full 1-10 scale which most other sites do not. They use a full scale, whereby 5.5 means "Mediocre" NOT a terrible game. Again if you happen to think 5.5 means terrible that is because of your experiences with most other 7-10 point review sites that have created this perception that a 5 out of 10 game is bad.

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Damage Control. Game flopped. Let's all move on now.

GS also uses a full 1-10 scale which most other sites do not. They use a full scale, whereby 5.5 means "Mediocre" NOT a terrible game. Again if you happen to think 5.5 means terrible that is because of your experiences with most other 7-10 point review sites that have created this perception that a 5 out of 10 game is bad.

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I really can't fault someone for liking a game. I also can't fault him for posting a video about it.

Jeff G. likes the NES Strider. That's fine... I guess.

Too Human sounds like a Diablo game...I like Diablo. I guess I'll have to give it a try. I'll try the demo.

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I really can't fault someone for liking a game. I also can't fault him for posting a video about it.

Jeff G. likes the NES Strider. That's fine... I guess.

Too Human sounds like a Diablo game...I like Diablo. I guess I'll have to give it a try. I'll try the demo.

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Keyser_Soze said:

"Damage Control. Game flopped. Let's all move on now.

GS also uses a full 1-10 scale which most other sites do not. They use a full scale, whereby 5.5 means "Mediocre" NOT a terrible game. Again if you happen to think 5.5 means terrible that is because of your experiences with most other 7-10 point review sites that have created this perception that a 5 out of 10 game is bad."

While GameSpot may technically USE a 1-10 rating scale they do not actually USE it the way you say. If you check, only games that are pretty bad are lower than a six. I would not even consider a game that is a 5 or below. Most games released are within 6-10 on GameSpot just like any other gaming site with a 1-10 scale.

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Keyser_Soze said:

"Damage Control. Game flopped. Let's all move on now.

GS also uses a full 1-10 scale which most other sites do not. They use a full scale, whereby 5.5 means "Mediocre" NOT a terrible game. Again if you happen to think 5.5 means terrible that is because of your experiences with most other 7-10 point review sites that have created this perception that a 5 out of 10 game is bad."

While GameSpot may technically USE a 1-10 rating scale they do not actually USE it the way you say. If you check, only games that are pretty bad are lower than a six. I would not even consider a game that is a 5 or below. Most games released are within 6-10 on GameSpot just like any other gaming site with a 1-10 scale.

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I actually have to agree with him on a lot of the points he made...Operation Darkness better than Too Human!? ...I played OD...and that shit was bad.

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I actually have to agree with him on a lot of the points he made...Operation Darkness better than Too Human!? ...I played OD...and that shit was bad.

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brukaoru said:

"I really like Kevin Pereira... I also like Adam Sessler. I think too many people base their feelings on the two due to the script they have to read on G4 everyday. I know they chose to work at G4 and you could blame it on themselves, but I think those two could be really awesome journalists if they worked somewhere else that let them speak their minds freely."

Adam more so than Kevin, and since it appears he'll only ever host AOTS, he'll always be seen the way he is now the way it looks...g4 is so terribly scripted that its rediculous, extended-play/x-play when it started on techtv was actually barely written at all other than the plan they had for the episode, they were way better to watch and you could tell they had fun making them, the way it is now, every single line they read from a prompter except probably 3 seconds as the show is about to end...its just dumb.

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brukaoru said:

"I really like Kevin Pereira... I also like Adam Sessler. I think too many people base their feelings on the two due to the script they have to read on G4 everyday. I know they chose to work at G4 and you could blame it on themselves, but I think those two could be really awesome journalists if they worked somewhere else that let them speak their minds freely."

Adam more so than Kevin, and since it appears he'll only ever host AOTS, he'll always be seen the way he is now the way it looks...g4 is so terribly scripted that its rediculous, extended-play/x-play when it started on techtv was actually barely written at all other than the plan they had for the episode, they were way better to watch and you could tell they had fun making them, the way it is now, every single line they read from a prompter except probably 3 seconds as the show is about to end...its just dumb.

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Keyser_Soze said:

"Damage Control. Game flopped. Let's all move on now.

GS also uses a full 1-10 scale which most other sites do not. They use a full scale, whereby 5.5 means "Mediocre" NOT a terrible game. Again if you happen to think 5.5 means terrible that is because of your experiences with most other 7-10 point review sites that have created this perception that a 5 out of 10 game is bad."

Actually, yes a 5.5 is a terrible review. It might say "mediocre," but anything below a 7 is basically a bad game.

Edit: Anyway, who cares? It's GameSpot. They suck.

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Keyser_Soze said:

"Damage Control. Game flopped. Let's all move on now.

GS also uses a full 1-10 scale which most other sites do not. They use a full scale, whereby 5.5 means "Mediocre" NOT a terrible game. Again if you happen to think 5.5 means terrible that is because of your experiences with most other 7-10 point review sites that have created this perception that a 5 out of 10 game is bad."

Actually, yes a 5.5 is a terrible review. It might say "mediocre," but anything below a 7 is basically a bad game.

Edit: Anyway, who cares? It's GameSpot. They suck.

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brukaoru said:

"I really like Kevin Pereira... I also like Adam Sessler. I think too many people base their feelings on the two due to the script they have to read on G4 everyday. I know they chose to work at G4 and you could blame it on themselves, but I think those two could be really awesome journalists if they worked somewhere else that let them speak their minds freely."

Yeah, I think that's a fair point, but I honestly just don't like Pereira. He's central to a terrible TV show that propagates the stereotype of video game lovers being adolescent (or adolescent-minded) semi-moronic wasters who do nothing put play games, watch people injure themselves on youtube, and boobs. All while appealing to the people who do fulfill that stereotype.

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brukaoru said:

"I really like Kevin Pereira... I also like Adam Sessler. I think too many people base their feelings on the two due to the script they have to read on G4 everyday. I know they chose to work at G4 and you could blame it on themselves, but I think those two could be really awesome journalists if they worked somewhere else that let them speak their minds freely."

Yeah, I think that's a fair point, but I honestly just don't like Pereira. He's central to a terrible TV show that propagates the stereotype of video game lovers being adolescent (or adolescent-minded) semi-moronic wasters who do nothing put play games, watch people injure themselves on youtube, and boobs. All while appealing to the people who do fulfill that stereotype.

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SpikeSpiegel said:

"Keyser_Soze said:
"Damage Control. Game flopped. Let's all move on now.

GS also uses a full 1-10 scale which most other sites do not. They use a full scale, whereby 5.5 means "Mediocre" NOT a terrible game. Again if you happen to think 5.5 means terrible that is because of your experiences with most other 7-10 point review sites that have created this perception that a 5 out of 10 game is bad."
While GameSpot may technically USE a 1-10 rating scale they do not actually USE it the way you say. If you check, only games that are pretty bad are lower than a six. Most games released are within 7-10 on GameSpot just like any other gaming site with a 1-10 scale."

Most games released are most certainly not within 7-10 points, you're conflating the big budget releases and high profile games for all games. Most games get reviewed on GS without any fanfare or publicity. It's usually the bigger games and more high budget, thus the better made games that get higher reviews, which goes hand in hand really with an industry which relies heavily on technical ability which is dictated usually, though not always, by the amount of money you have.

Games that I have encountered, just from a quick GS search, which scored below a 7 and are thoroughly playable and not "broken" per se are:

Shadowrun 6.9
Alone in the Dark 6.5
Viking: Battle of Asgard 5.0
Army of Two 6.5
Kane and Lynch: 6.0
Blue Dragon 6.0
TimeShift: 6.5
Tiger Woods 08: 6.5
Clive Barkers Jericho: 6.5
Prizefighter: 5.5
Final Fantasy XI: 6.0
Universe at War: 6.5
Ninety-Nine Nights: 5.9
Enemy Territory Quake Wars: 6.5
TH Proving Ground: 6.5
Bullet Witch: 5.5

There were plenty more. None of these games are broken at all. They are all examples of mediocre games that really could have been better. Most suffer from either a few smaller problems, or one or two major ones. They are all enjoyable to some extent, and all thoroughly playable, though I would not want to exactly pay money for most of them. Like Too Human they suffer from problems.

I'm still playing Shadowrun right now and it's awesome, one of the best FPS games on the 360, but it lacked a single player and had few maps and modes in multilayer which is why I personally reviewed the game as a 7.5 on GS. Not much higher than the original score.

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SpikeSpiegel said:

"Keyser_Soze said:
"Damage Control. Game flopped. Let's all move on now.

GS also uses a full 1-10 scale which most other sites do not. They use a full scale, whereby 5.5 means "Mediocre" NOT a terrible game. Again if you happen to think 5.5 means terrible that is because of your experiences with most other 7-10 point review sites that have created this perception that a 5 out of 10 game is bad."
While GameSpot may technically USE a 1-10 rating scale they do not actually USE it the way you say. If you check, only games that are pretty bad are lower than a six. Most games released are within 7-10 on GameSpot just like any other gaming site with a 1-10 scale."

Most games released are most certainly not within 7-10 points, you're conflating the big budget releases and high profile games for all games. Most games get reviewed on GS without any fanfare or publicity. It's usually the bigger games and more high budget, thus the better made games that get higher reviews, which goes hand in hand really with an industry which relies heavily on technical ability which is dictated usually, though not always, by the amount of money you have.

Games that I have encountered, just from a quick GS search, which scored below a 7 and are thoroughly playable and not "broken" per se are:

Shadowrun 6.9
Alone in the Dark 6.5
Viking: Battle of Asgard 5.0
Army of Two 6.5
Kane and Lynch: 6.0
Blue Dragon 6.0
TimeShift: 6.5
Tiger Woods 08: 6.5
Clive Barkers Jericho: 6.5
Prizefighter: 5.5
Final Fantasy XI: 6.0
Universe at War: 6.5
Ninety-Nine Nights: 5.9
Enemy Territory Quake Wars: 6.5
TH Proving Ground: 6.5
Bullet Witch: 5.5

There were plenty more. None of these games are broken at all. They are all examples of mediocre games that really could have been better. Most suffer from either a few smaller problems, or one or two major ones. They are all enjoyable to some extent, and all thoroughly playable, though I would not want to exactly pay money for most of them. Like Too Human they suffer from problems.

I'm still playing Shadowrun right now and it's awesome, one of the best FPS games on the 360, but it lacked a single player and had few maps and modes in multilayer which is why I personally reviewed the game as a 7.5 on GS. Not much higher than the original score.

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I'm also a big of Kevin and Adam, and when they're not scripted and have their own thoughts towards games and such, they're great to listen too. I agree with Kevin on this, and he brings up some great points. Games are meant to be fun, and not based upon technical issues and flaws and what really matters is the fun in it, professional gaming sites which I'm not going to name any sites... are too much their ass to try games for what they're for

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I'm also a big of Kevin and Adam, and when they're not scripted and have their own thoughts towards games and such, they're great to listen too. I agree with Kevin on this, and he brings up some great points. Games are meant to be fun, and not based upon technical issues and flaws and what really matters is the fun in it, professional gaming sites which I'm not going to name any sites... are too much their ass to try games for what they're for

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I love how spirited he is, kinda reminds me of myself. But his perception of scores (a 5.5 being a broken game) is horrible and represents everything that's wrong with the review industry (GB excluded).

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I love how spirited he is, kinda reminds me of myself. But his perception of scores (a 5.5 being a broken game) is horrible and represents everything that's wrong with the review industry (GB excluded).

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From the look of it G4 doesn't pay well.

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From the look of it G4 doesn't pay well.

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SymbolliC said:

"I'm also a big of Kevin and Adam, and when they're not scripted and have their own thoughts towards games and such, they're great to listen too. I agree with Kevin on this, and he brings up some great points. Games are meant to be fun, and not based upon technical issues and flaws and what really matters if the fun in it, professional gaming sites which I'm not going to name any games.. are too much their ass to try games for what they're for.
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Very true, even though the topic of this thread is Too Human. Based on the coverage I have seen the game looks crappy. I'm also not interested in Diabloe-esque game. I'm also not a fan of any of the reviewers left at GameSpot.

What I do agree with is section of your quote in bold. GiantBomb does a great job with this and will give 5 stars to any game that is that much fun to play. Look at Condemned 2, for example. Technical issues and other drawbacks to the game would cause it to get som ewhere around an 8.0 at a website which adheres to a 1-10 scale.

But Ryan gave it 5 stars and deservedly so. I just finished the game yesterday and god damn that game was awesome.

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SymbolliC said:

"I'm also a big of Kevin and Adam, and when they're not scripted and have their own thoughts towards games and such, they're great to listen too. I agree with Kevin on this, and he brings up some great points. Games are meant to be fun, and not based upon technical issues and flaws and what really matters if the fun in it, professional gaming sites which I'm not going to name any games.. are too much their ass to try games for what they're for.
"

Very true, even though the topic of this thread is Too Human. Based on the coverage I have seen the game looks crappy. I'm also not interested in Diabloe-esque game. I'm also not a fan of any of the reviewers left at GameSpot.

What I do agree with is section of your quote in bold. GiantBomb does a great job with this and will give 5 stars to any game that is that much fun to play. Look at Condemned 2, for example. Technical issues and other drawbacks to the game would cause it to get som ewhere around an 8.0 at a website which adheres to a 1-10 scale.

But Ryan gave it 5 stars and deservedly so. I just finished the game yesterday and god damn that game was awesome.

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Haha, it got the same score as Prizefighter. Really? Really?
It scored a 5.5 on GameSpot because not everybody on there is the same person. They have different opinions. I bet if someone else reviewed it they would have given it at least a 7.0.
Kevin VanOrd knows how long this game has been in development, and thinks it sucks for what it is. He obviously thought it was over-hyped.

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Haha, it got the same score as Prizefighter. Really? Really?
It scored a 5.5 on GameSpot because not everybody on there is the same person. They have different opinions. I bet if someone else reviewed it they would have given it at least a 7.0.
Kevin VanOrd knows how long this game has been in development, and thinks it sucks for what it is. He obviously thought it was over-hyped.

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Kevin VanOrd is a terrible reviewer.

I'm not defending Too Human, by the way. It looks like crap. I'm just attacking GameSpot.

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Kevin VanOrd is a terrible reviewer.

I'm not defending Too Human, by the way. It looks like crap. I'm just attacking GameSpot.

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BiggerBomb said:

"Kevin VanOrd is a terrible reviewer.

I'm not defending Too Human, by the way. It looks like crap. I'm just attacking GameSpot."

Deservedly so. I'm sure most people here hate GameSpot for a very evident reason..

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BiggerBomb said:

"Kevin VanOrd is a terrible reviewer.

I'm not defending Too Human, by the way. It looks like crap. I'm just attacking GameSpot."

Deservedly so. I'm sure most people here hate GameSpot for a very evident reason..

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Looks like he has practiced this rant in front of the mirror ten times before he dared to shoot it on camera. "Pink wings on them - yeah I said it". Come oooon....

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Looks like he has practiced this rant in front of the mirror ten times before he dared to shoot it on camera. "Pink wings on them - yeah I said it". Come oooon....

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dabada said:

Jeff G. likes the NES Strider. That's fine... I guess.

That was one of my favorite NES games ever. :'(

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dabada said:

Jeff G. likes the NES Strider. That's fine... I guess.

That was one of my favorite NES games ever. :'(

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MB said:

"Haha...he does have a point. Kung Fu Panda 6.5...Too Human 5.5?"

Haha yeah I'll give him that, that was a valid point.

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MB said:

"Haha...he does have a point. Kung Fu Panda 6.5...Too Human 5.5?"

Haha yeah I'll give him that, that was a valid point.

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Even though I'm not a fan of G4 at all, the guy does have a few valid points.

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Even though I'm not a fan of G4 at all, the guy does have a few valid points.

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