why is this the only decent diablo style game on the 360

#1 Posted by phrali (646 posts) -

plz someone make one, i will give you my money i promise, i'll buy two copies i swear 
 
i don't understand it, it's not like diablo and diablo 2 didn't make a butt ton of money, right? there's 8 million COD clones and one diablo clone? W T F
 
or can someone suggest a GOOD dungeon crawler for my 360? PLEASE?  

#2 Edited by xyzygy (10030 posts) -

Sacred 2: Fallen Angel. The game has a lot of technical problems but it's the closest thing you'll come to a Diablo on the consoles.  
 
EDIT: I forgot to mention that I had the game for the PS3 and technically it was annoying. I've never seen so much pop-in and slowdown in a top-down game before. I'm not sure if there is much of a difference between the two versions but just be warned.

#3 Posted by phrali (646 posts) -

i tried sacred 2. i was just like "how is a 15 dollar XBLA port this much better than a full retail game" 
 
i don't really care about the graphics issues, honestly. what bothered me was the controls, i felt like i had no control over what my character was doing. i would try to smack a dude that was in my face with a hammer, but instead i end up shooting marshmallows at some dude on the other side of the screen while in my face dude hacked my face off

#4 Posted by shamroll (145 posts) -

Torchlight and Bastion seem like the most similar to Diablo you are going to get.  You should try dungeons of dredmor on the PC too.  I had never played a Rogue-like game before but I like it.  It doesn't seem graphically intense and it's only 5 dollars on Steam.  I was a huge Diablo2 fan by the way.  

#5 Posted by Ventilaator (1501 posts) -

At first I read the topic title as "Why is the only decent diablo-style game on the 360" and WTF'd hard.

#6 Edited by Marz (5658 posts) -

maybe it's the only decent one because Torchlight is made by the guys who made Diablo :D

#7 Posted by phrali (646 posts) -

bastion was great for like 3 days.....@Marz said:

maybe it's the only decent one because Torchlight is made by the guys who made Diablo :D
yeah but come on, is it really that hard to design a game like this? maybe it is, i don't know how to write code, i could be wrong, but srsly i have to believe that it would be technically easier to make one of these games than a multiplayer FPS
#8 Posted by Zacagawea (1599 posts) -

If it helps any, Torchlight 2 is suppose to come this year. I think.

#9 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8699 posts) -

I'm totally with ya.
I'm not saying rip off the game and copy it, but hell look at how popular Torchlight got fast, I'm sure that Torch 2 will sell decent (if it ever comes out).
 
The concept's gold, so bloody use it, don't change it.
Change the first person shooters, they're in a bind, but games like these are needed badly.

#10 Posted by Khann (2885 posts) -

Just play Diablo 2... it's still unsurpassed.

#11 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2490 posts) -
#12 Posted by MrMuscle (447 posts) -

Crimson alliance looks pretty good, ill definately give that a try when it comes after the summer of arcade.

#13 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

Yeah I agree, I want more games of this type on my 360. Back in the days of the PS2, I used to play a lot of these games (Champions of Norrath, Dark Alliance etc)

@Turtlebird95 said:

Torchlight sucks.

On-topic: Deathspank? Bastion?

Also...

1. Not really, it's "good" but not great

2. Deathspank sucks

3. No. Diablo 1 and especially 2 are by miles the best games of their kind. There's not one game that's remotely close to the Diablo games. Even Titan Quest is a huge step down (but still a good game).

#14 Edited by PenguinDust (12554 posts) -

You should go play Titan Quest on the PC.  It's a little old, but it plays great and it's a lot of fun, plus it's pretty cheap now.  When on sale, you can get it and it's sequel, TQ: Immortal Throne for less than $10.   Regular Steam price is $20 for the pair, I think.

#15 Posted by pweidman (2342 posts) -

Under represented genre on consoles, agreed. However, Too Human was a great crawler/loot game on 360, as was Sacred 2. Crimson Alliance might be fun for a while this September. Torchlight was great and Torchlight 2 will come out for 360 as well some time later this year. And btw, Blizzard has plans to port Diablo 3 to 360 & PS3 some time after it drops for pc.....that is what I can't wait for, that and it actually being released on pc, lol.

#16 Edited by Turtlebird95 (2490 posts) -
@CptBedlam: I do agree on Deathspank sucks, but the OP asked for games that were similar to Diablo on Xbox 360.
 
Honestly I think Diablo is overrated as hell. I don't see what's so special about it besides the loot.
#17 Posted by Zithe (1045 posts) -

@Turtlebird95 said:

Honestly I think Diablo is overrated as hell. I don't see what's so special about it besides the loot.

Diablo-style action RPGs are my favorite games, provided they are online. If you haven't played Diablo II or some other variant that actually has decent online play, then you haven't really seen what the genre is capable of. I'm not really sure what it is exactly, but something about having your persistent character that you take around from game to game online allows it to have the same addiction/appeal of something like World of Warcraft.

#18 Posted by ninjakiller (3405 posts) -

@CptBedlam: @Turtlebird95: Deathspank is fucking terrible, but I forced myself to beat the first one, and got 15 minutes into the second one before throwing in the towel.

@CptBedlam: After BGDA2 bombed and helped kill off Interplay videogame makers became skittish of these kind of games on consoles.

@phrali: Daggerdale was supposed to be a resurgance of these type of games, but has been panned as being utter shit.

#19 Posted by ninjakiller (3405 posts) -

@Zithe: Online? I had a blast playing BGDA and BGDA 2 with my buddy in front of the tv, duping items, etc etc.

#20 Posted by Zithe (1045 posts) -

@ninjakiller: I'm sure you did. I wasn't even considering local multiplayer. I was just saying that these games generally bore me when they are single player.

#21 Posted by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

@Turtlebird95 said:

@CptBedlam: I do agree on Deathspank sucks, but the OP asked for games that were similar to Diablo on Xbox 360. Honestly I think Diablo is overrated as hell. I don't see what's so special about it besides the loot.

Except from the best system of the various gameplay mechanics in the genre ... I'd say the unique presentation. Sound and the graphics style generated a very intense atmosphere. Some players don't even realize these aspects but they are a part of why they like the game over others like, say, Titan Quest etc. And this is also why I'm not happy with Diablo 3.

#22 Posted by Zithe (1045 posts) -

@CptBedlam:

For me, I think it was much less atmosphere and more of the mechanics that hooked me in Diablo II. I like to look at action RPGs as toys where I can create several different character strategies and see how well they hold up against the onslaught of monsters. The emphasis on spending stat and skill points however I like and gearing up for specific builds is what keeps me playing for hours and hours. This is why I'm super excited for Diablo III.

I played a bit of Titan Quest as well, but I felt like the balance was a little off in that game. I remember thinking that game was really tough most of the time, but then I could find one item and suddenly become a god for the next 5 levels or so. The difficulty balance and overall experience didn't feel as smooth or consistent as it was in Diablo. Plus, trading items with players online is a large part of the game for me and Titan Quest's online play was flaky at best.

#23 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

@Zithe: I'm a sucker for strong atmosphere in games and Diablo 1 & 2 offered me this too (apart from the awesome game mechanics). Awesome soundtrack, grim looks, great videos. It was an allaround great product which is why it had the mass appeal that allowed it to become a cult game.

And I watch videos of Diablo 3, I try to like it but it never clicks. Watching this it never feels like a Diablo game. It reminds me more of some random hack n slay like Sacred 2, Torchlight or whatever. The look is just too derivative. It doesn't have enough character.

I'm not fond of Blizzard's 3D graphic style in general. With Warcraft 3, they lost me.

#24 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

Because there's no real market for console Diablo games. Torchlight's an exception, not the rule.

#25 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

Because there's no real market for console Diablo games. Torchlight's an exception, not the rule.

Who says that? And why is Torchlight an exception when it's the only real Diablo-clone on consoles?

The console success of Torchlight shows that console gamers want this kind of games, too. Put out a great one and it'll sell millions (Torchlight was "good"),

#26 Posted by Zithe (1045 posts) -

@CptBedlam:

You want to hear something really unfortunate? I was already aware that there is supposed to be a major Diablo III announcement coming tomorrow, and not ten minutes after making my last post I read a rumor online that the announcement might be the removal of skill points in Diablo III. If the rumor has any merit, you will simply choose which skills you want and they will get more powerful automatically as your character levels up. I'm not sure how I feel about this. We'll see what happens tomorrow I guess.... :/

#27 Edited by CptBedlam (4453 posts) -

@Zithe said:

@CptBedlam:

You want to hear something really unfortunate? I was already aware that there is supposed to be a major Diablo III announcement coming tomorrow, and not ten minutes after making my last post I read a rumor online that the announcement might be the removal of skill points in Diablo III. If the rumor has any merit, you will simply choose which skills you want and they will get more powerful automatically as your character levels up. I'm not sure how I feel about this. We'll see what happens tomorrow I guess.... :/

I'm not really waiting for D3 anyway. There has already been too much streamlining with that game. No "Tetris"-inventory (I liked shifting around my stuff to free more space; looking forward to Deus Ex HR btw, game's inventory is oldschool), health orbs (I liked potions and even potion spamming; made you feel awesome when I freshly stacked up on potions in the town). I also liked having to go back to town to sell my stuff frequently and having to decide what stuff to leave when the inventory was full. All these little limits and obstacles made the game more interesting to me. Now it seems everything is streamlined and designed to keep you slashing stuff non-stop. But I think just combat with no interruptions makes for a more monotonous experience. I really liked the shift of pace ... the repeated visits to the town/s etc.

Looks like they already backpaddled a little bit by putting town portals back into the game but it's not enough for me.

#28 Posted by FritzDude (2266 posts) -

I don't know... I really enjoyed Sacred 2 for the consoles, apart from all the technical issues and the lack of any support, which could be better if they only had money.

#29 Posted by phrali (646 posts) -
@Video_Game_King said:
Because there's no real market for console Diablo games. Torchlight's an exception, not the rule.
have you seen the garbage that comes out for consoles every day? i promise you there is more of a market for this than for something like fruit ninja kinect
#30 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -
@phrali said:
@Video_Game_King said:
Because there's no real market for console Diablo games. Torchlight's an exception, not the rule.
have you seen the garbage that comes out for consoles every day? i promise you there is more of a market for this than for something like fruit ninja kinect
Glad to see somebody trying to outstupid my post.
#31 Posted by Three0neFive (2297 posts) -

Because controller.

#32 Posted by project343 (2833 posts) -

I'd recommend moving into the non-top-down genre of WRPGs. Like Two Worlds II, and Oblivion.

#33 Posted by jozzy (2042 posts) -

Isn't that new Dungeon Siege game similar to diablo? I didn't really enjoy the controls in the demo so I didn't really get on with it. I am also cautiously looking forward to Crimson Alliance.

#34 Posted by mosdl (3229 posts) -

If Torchlight sold well on 360 we would be seeing more clones.

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