Trojan War as an Expansion Pack?

#1 Posted by MondyofAus (27 posts) -

I know it's a little early to be talking about future Expansion Packs, but the Trojan War is one of those great historical campaigns that has never really been covered by the Total War series. I would love to take command of the Trojans situated on the East side of the Aegean trying to change history and rout the Greeks completely. Maybe even go on to return the favor and invade them.

#2 Posted by Cretaceous_Bob (506 posts) -

Since the story of the Trojan War is mostly myth, I would consider that highly unlikely. It's not one of those great historical campaigns. Even what we consider to be ancient Greek historians knew a lot of what was in the Homeric poems was poetic nonsense.

#3 Edited by Turambar (6738 posts) -

Since the story of the Trojan War is mostly myth, I would consider that highly unlikely. It's not one of those great historical campaigns. Even what we consider to be ancient Greek historians knew a lot of what was in the Homeric poems was poetic nonsense.

Actually, archeological evidence suggests one of the many versions of Troy (a city destroyed and rebuilt many times) corresponds closely to the Homeric tales, and has been determined to be destroyed by warfare. While it's highly doubtful that Poseidan and Apollo built its walls, their historical dates corresponds closely with the mythological ones.

Bottom line, a war between the Greeks and Trojans probably happened, just without Zeus watching the battle on a hill and Hera dressing up to distract him.

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#4 Edited by MikeJFlick (442 posts) -

I don't see them adding Troy as a faction, while Troy was a city, there's not enough information on it to base any of the assets they would have to make for it.

#5 Edited by Cretaceous_Bob (506 posts) -
@turambar said:

Actually, archeological evidence suggests one of the many versions of Troy (a city destroyed and rebuilt many times) corresponds closely to the Homeric tales, and has been determined to be destroyed by warfare. While it's highly doubtful that Poseidan and Apollo built its walls, their historical dates corresponds closely with the mythological ones.

Bottom line, a war between the Greeks and Trojans probably happened, just without Zeus watching the battle on a hill and Hera dressing up to distract him.

There's no "actually". Two simple facts of "there was a city" and "one time there was a war there" does not great military history make. I would have brought up those points if they were relevant.

The Trojan War is a mythological story. The most we have managed to find out is that there was something factual somewhere in the story, and we will never know what. That's it.

The Total War series has thus far been based on historical events. The only historical event that the Trojan War offers is Creative Assembly's own guesswork at what is fact and what is fiction in Homer's poem.

There are factual elements to Beowulf, too, but nobody confuses that for history.

I don't see them adding Troy as a faction, while Troy was a city, there's not enough information on it to base any of the assets they would have to make for it.

There's no reason to even add it as a city, because the Troy of the Trojan War existed 1,000 years before the campaign of Rome 2 even begins, and pre-dates the Roman Republic by hundreds of years, and by that time what is accepted to be the site of Troy was a Roman city anyway.

#6 Posted by Arabes (338 posts) -

Ah the internet... "Someone disagreed with me?! Time to make myself look like a bit of an asshole!" It's such a shame people can't have a fucking discussion. It's an even bigger shame that he's right.

#7 Posted by Rowr (5536 posts) -

Maybe this would make good DLC for RYSE.

Then everyone will be happy!

I've been playing a bunch of shogun 2: Fall of the samurai lately and just came to the unfortunate realisation - Rome 2 = no more cannons :(

The artillery and naval bombardments in Fall of samurai are awesome. I can't wait to unlock the gatling gun.

Another awesome thing we should all remember is creative assembly have access to the warhammer license now. Imagine that shit.

#8 Edited by Cretaceous_Bob (506 posts) -

@arabes said:

Ah the internet... "Someone disagreed with me?! Time to make myself look like a bit of an asshole!" It's such a shame people can't have a fucking discussion. It's an even bigger shame that he's right.

I stated the facts, and illustrated them more clearly since the point was incorrectly corrected the first time.

It's funny how people in real life are assholes if they try to correct you with the wrong conclusion or information, but on the internet you're an asshole if you correct that person.

#9 Edited by Arabes (338 posts) -

@cretaceous_bob: I'm afraind Cretacious that is where you are wrong. People in real life aren't assholes if they correct you with the wrong information, they're just wrong. In the same way that people with the right information aren't automatically nice people. See above for an example :D

Look dude, I'm just kidding around. I don't think really think you're an asshole man, I don't know you at all. I was just pointing out that the tone of your response made you come across as a bit of a dick. maybe that's something you care about , maybe you don't. Personally I think everyone should be told when they're being a dick, I think it'd make people be nicer to each other. It certainly would have helped me out plenty of times.

I hope all ye people have an awesome day!

#10 Posted by Bollard (5426 posts) -

Well, this thread is a happy place.

#11 Posted by Captain_Insano (1535 posts) -

This thread went bad quickly.

I however have to say that a Trojan War expansion would be exceptionally unlikely, particularly given that the war would have occurred at least 1000 years before the start date of Rome 2. With Bronze Age equipment and no siege technology, it would probably not fit their vision for the game. That said, I don't see why the modding community would not take it on board.

#12 Posted by MondyofAus (27 posts) -

Rampant gamer cynicism and negativity infecting my thread :(

#13 Posted by Veektarius (4771 posts) -

@cretaceous_bob: I think you're an asshole, even if Arabes doesn't.

Also, Aeneas, the mythological founder of the Roman empire, was supposedly a refugee from Troy. Fun fact a lot of people don't know.

#14 Posted by maccyd (62 posts) -

Not enough historical evidence.

By the looks of it, creative assembly want to correct their mistakes from the Rome with the whole "historical evidence" thing so it seems unlikely.

#16 Posted by Fredchuckdave (5353 posts) -

The AI is so shitty in these games that complaining about historical evidence is ridiculous. Why not do this? The terrain is there to be studied and mapped you just have to envision what could have potentially happened. Diomedes is totally the best warrior though.

#17 Edited by ArtisanBreads (3796 posts) -

@fredchuckdave said:

The AI is so shitty in these games that complaining about historical evidence is ridiculous. Why not do this? The terrain is there to be studied and mapped you just have to envision what could have potentially happened. Diomedes is totally the best warrior though.

What does AI have to do with historical accuracy?

#18 Edited by Gizmo (5389 posts) -

Cool Troy related story; My dad was in the Troy site in modern day Turkey a couple of years ago and found a legit Trojan coin. It has a mans face on one side and a swastika on the other side. Looks at least 2.5k years old.

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