He gave that trainwreck people call deadly premonition a 10? Seems like a troll to me opinion or not deadly premonition is not a 10/10 game.
Two Worlds II
Game » consists of 11 releases. Released Jan 25, 2011
Sequel to the cult hit action RPG Two Worlds, Two worlds II takes place years after the original and follows the story of the character from the first Two Worlds as he continues his struggle to defeat Lord Gandohar.
Destructoid Review - Jim Sterling did a review without trolling!
I haven't read the review and neither will I, I have no interest in this game, but what I can say is that from what little I have seen of Jim, that being entirely contained in this video, is hilarious. I don't care what anyone says.
@Kraznor: It was on his Vanquish review, and criticized the following:
He says the game is a run-of-the-mill cover shooter with gimmicks that have no applicable use. One of his examples is that the boost is only useful for escaping, because there's "no point getting up close and killed because you have no power left". However, the trick is obviously to make sure you never boost until you're completely out of juice. It's also useful for moving between cover, which brings me to the next point: he says that "sticking to cover is pointless due to the amount of attacks that completely ignore the cover system and instakill Sam through solid walls", when there are in fact extremely few enemies with such attacks (especially of the instantly killing variety) -- extensive use of cover is in fact a must on the harder difficulties. Then we have this part: "Of course, if an enemy throws one of its death missiles at you while you're recharging, you're boned. Sam's dodge maneuver is pathetic and won't get him clear of the giant energy beams and explosions that endlessly come his way." This is an example of the misinformation I was talking about. There is not an attack in the game that can't be avoided with the dodge roll. Then, we have this, which ties into his claim that the boost is useless: "There are a few extra weapons, but they're all discovered within the first 10% of the game and you'll soon learn that the assault rifle's the only useful gun anyway." As most anyone who has actually tried the other weapons for more than ten seconds will attest, many of them are extremely effective, especially in combination with offensive boosting. The disc launcher, for example, allows for melee attacks that don't consume energy (melee attacks consuming energy, by the way, is another thing he complains about -- without, of course, mentioning this exception -- misinformation again!), boosting in with a shotgun allows for far faster kills that slowly chipping away at enemy health with the puny assault rifle, the LFE gun does very high damage to a large area and penetrates enemies, the sniper rifle obviously lets you one-hit-kill many enemies from afar, and so it goes on.
In short: he knows less about the game he's reviewing than I did after playing the demo half a dozen times, and many of his complaints are essentially just him whining about stuff that can be fixed in ways as easy as properly trying out every weapon in the game for a minute or two. A reviewer is supposed to possess great expertise -- this guy doesn't even see how "ultra-fast travelling + shotgun" makes a good combination, or that maybe that the key to effective use of an energy system that essentially works as a regenerating health system is exactly the same as the key to effective use of a regenerating health system: it should be pushed to its limit, but not beyond. (Imagine how people would have reacted if a critic wrote, in a review of say Gears of War, stuff like: "There's no point in using anything but blindfire, because using the more accurate aiming almost always means taking damage -- in fact, all the most effective moves are risky and weaken the player, which is why Gears of War sucks." Or why not take that reasoning to the next level: "Playing games means risking losing, so all games suck -- you're better off watching TV, because you can't lose at that!")
My problem is not that he gave it a 5/10. I don't give a fuck about the score -- if his analysis and criticism was good, he could've hated it and given it a 1/10 for all I care. It's that he can write a review that, quality of writing aside, belongs on GameFAQs, and get paid for it. (Though really, the saddest part is that nobody even seems to understand why it's a bad review.)
So I read that review and find it to be completely valid.
Nobody gives a toss if you find the review to be completely valid, because you are even less qualified to review the game than Sterling (who is most certainly not qualified).
All I was saying is that I had the same issues in the demo he had in the full game, so he didn't completely pull the criticisms out of his ass.
I found the dodge move stupid because it covered so little distance in such a weird way, while the slide move cleared three times as much ground, five times as fast. I would buy this game in a heartbeat if there was no energy bar limit, not that I found the game too hard and I want it to be really easy, but I would just find the game to be way more fun that way.
I find your comments about me fainting on the harder difficulties to be offensive. Whenever I enjoy a game more than average I play through it on the more hard/the hardest difficulties. I most recently finished Demon's Souls and found everyone who complained about the difficulty to be stupid, because they obviously played it as God of War.
Once again, all I was saying is that I had the exact same issues with the demo at least, so I might end up writing the exact same review if I ever played the full game.
And about the energy bar limit: the limit is what the entire game is about. Maximum risk for maximum reward. Sterling is right when he says it makes you weaker, because it does -- if you suck (which everyone does initially, of course, but the point of playing is to stop sucking -- to become awesome -- if you have no interest in that, you might as well go watch an action movie). Once you become good at managing your energy, you're a badass. Once you've mastered it, you're a fucking god on the battlefield -- you'll chain boosts into dodge rolls into bullet time activations, blast away until a split second before you overheat, when you let go of the trigger and use dodge rolling, cover or both to avoid damage until you've got enough energy for whatever you want to do next.
Removing the energy bar limit in Vanquish is like removing the gutters from bowling. (Bowling might not be the best example, since it's not an especially exciting sport, but you get what I mean.)
Jim Sterling isn't a troll. He gives good reasons that back up everything he says. That's pretty much the opposite of a troll.
This thread makes no sense to me.
Can't speak of the high level stuff because again, only played the demo, but I found myself constantly being fucked due to not having the energy. Maybe completely removing the limit wouldn't be the right choice, but I thought they put a little to hard of a limit on it.
Can you like...upgrade it to be longer lasting in the game or something?
The "getting really good" and not sucking ideas would all be fine if this was a realistic military shooter with all sorts of gritty realistic realisticness. On the surface Vanquish looked like a completely dumb and simple, but completely insane 3rd person shooter. Telling me that you need to get really good and be very tactical is kind of at odds with my idea of what this game is about in the first place. It's about being a complete badass in an environment of insane amounts of insane enemies. Putting a hard limit on your "Do badass stuff" meter kind of skews with the point.
In my opinion.
Sure, it is a game about being a complete badass in an insane environment with insane amounts of insane enemies -- however, I find that being a badass feels so much more badass when you've earned it. It was the same in Bayonetta -- Normal was a riot, but the feeling of badassery wasn't even comparable to that I got on Hard and Infinite Climax (or Normal when going for Platinum medals, which require you to be stylish and fast and get hit a maximum of one, maybe two times in an entire chapter).
If you just want to run through the game, see the sights et cetera, there's always Casual mode (I haven't tried it, but I assume you get more energy there than in Normal).
" @l4wd0g said:Oh, yeah. I've heard from several people that the first hour is garbage. I also heard they have choices in the game and if you make the wrong one, it sucks to be you." Hopefully GiantBomb does a Quick Look. "Hopefully not of the tutorial area. I didn't start adoring the game until I got to the Savannah. Unfortunately my love for the game is a little dim today because a bug broke one of my questlines and subsequently, a couple of my achievements. "
" @Marokai said:I don't think either of these are true. There aren't any moral choices as far as I remember. And you can reset your stats to reallocate them at any point in the game." @l4wd0g said:Oh, yeah. I've heard from several people that the first hour is garbage. I also heard they have choices in the game and if you make the wrong one, it sucks to be you. "" Hopefully GiantBomb does a Quick Look. "Hopefully not of the tutorial area. I didn't start adoring the game until I got to the Savannah. Unfortunately my love for the game is a little dim today because a bug broke one of my questlines and subsequently, a couple of my achievements. "
" Reviews may be opinions, but I totally know what you mean CL60. For some games he just seems to nitpick or act as though it's a joke, and I think that he finds it funny that some people take him seriously. I think he's doing it for shits and giggles to be honest. "I agree. He seems to be more in love with the idea of getting negative attention than he cares about writing something worth a damn. I'm not just talking about his reviews, I mean everything he writes, his twitter posts, etc.
" @hinderk said:So your proof that he is a troll is that he likes Dynasty Warriors but hated Assassin's Creed 2? Plenty of people like the Dynasty warrior games and didn't like Assassin's Creed 2." @CL60: Here is a list of his recent reviews scores compared to the metacritic average. Show me where he is trolling. Two Worlds 2: JS- 80 MC-75 Dead Space 2: JS- 95 MC-90 MindJack: JS-50 MC-40 Ilomilio: JS-80 MC-81 LittleBigPlanet 2: JS-75 MC-91 The only one of these reviews that is off from the MC score is LittleBigPlanet 2 and 75 doesn't seem like a "troll" score. "Sure, just look at his 5 most recent reviews and ignore everything else he's done. He gives Dynasty Warriors 6 an 80 (metacritic 59) and then a few months later he gives Assassin's Creed 2 a 45 (metacritic 91). He's an obvious troll, you know it, he knows it, everyone knows it, so you can try to defend him all you want. But you know that he writes those reviews on smaller games that agree with the general public just to attempt to make himself seem credible, but then he will troll on the marquee titles, such as saying LBP2 has no replay value. "
Here are a few more score comparisons with recently released big budget games.
Fable 3: JS-55 MC-80
Fallout NV: JS-90 MC-85
Kirby's Epic Yarn: JS-95 MC-88
Medal of Honor: JS-65 MC-72
Dead Rising 2: JS-85 MC 78
The only score that is off is Fable 3.GB gave it a similar score, are they trolls too?
" @CL60: @Jimbo:I like how it's easier to accept that he's a shitty journalist than that he's a troll.
It annoys me when people make claims without any actual proof. The people who call him a troll cite 1 or 2 reviews while ignoring all the times his scores are around the average.
Is he a bad journalist? probably. Is he a troll? No. "
The more I read this topic, the more I get the notion that taste and quality is objective. A reviewer just exposes his views and opinions on a subject, so, how CAN he be wrong? Disagreeing with Jim Sterling is the same to say that his opinions are wrong, and there is no such thing. You can't quantify quality, be it in games, movies and music, and that means that you can't make a "universal" score about a game. Metacritic says a game is 91, that doesn't make it a better game than any other. If, by average, that game is 91, when someone (Jim or anyone else), gives it a low score, is he wrong for doing so? If all game reviewer sites agrees that it is a good game, should EVERYONE agree?
Destructoid is an independent gaming blog. So Jim Sterling, just like the other reviewers - and any user that care to contribute with articles - can speak his mind without worrying about sponsors and any of that. When he gives a low score to Assassin's Creed and sucks it up do Dinasty Warriors, it's his review, made by someone who I know that has a passion for games (whichever it is), that I'll take in consideration. Be it good or bad.
Besides, you don't like him or his opinions, don't read his reviews. It's that simple.
" @CL60: @Jimbo:I find that with murderers. Everybody just ignores all the people they didn't kill.
It annoys me when people make claims without any actual proof. The people who call him a troll cite 1 or 2 reviews while ignoring all the times his scores are around the average.
Is he a bad journalist? probably. Is he a troll? No. "
You can write "1 or 2" deliberately controversial reviews to troll for hits, or you can be taken seriously. You can't have both.
The thing is that I don't believe he was trying to be deliberately controversial in any of the reviews people cite. The three games I've seen people complain about in this thread are LBP2, Heavy Rain, and Assassin's Creed 2. I find it ridiculous that people complain about LBP2 and Heavy rain since they both got around a 7 which is good on destructoids review system. I also don't understand how giving Assassin's Creed 2 a low score suddenly make him a troll. He didn't like the game, people need to get over it. I think most people that think he is a troll haven't read many of his reviews or are just mad that he gave a bad review to a game they liked.
Can't embed for some reason, but here is a video where he discuses some of the criticism he gets.
" @yinstarrunner said:theres a big difference between trolling, and just being a dumbass.@Ventilaator said:" Is he only "not trolling" here because your opinion happens to fall in line with his? "
Giving Deadly Premonition a 10/10 and calling it the best game ever was trolling. Giving Heavy Rain an incredibly low score just so he could say Deadly Premonition is better is trolling. He said LBP2 has no replay value. He trolls all the time. Get over it. "" @yinstarrunner said:
" Is he only "not trolling" here because your opinion happens to fall in line with his? "Yes. I'm gonna answer for him. Jim Sterling didn't dislike a game I like, thank god he finally came to his senses and stopped being an ass. God I hate people....... "
This guy is a dumbass.....
He says that he and the rest of the review team abide by a "true 10/10" scale meaning they don't just use the upper half. However, he gives Assassin's Creed 2 a 4/10 without backing it up, nitpicking minor flaws and calling it terrible. In what world are Deadly Premonition's flaws more forgiveable than AC2's? He's got no consistency, and I can't trust his reviews anymore." @yinstarrunner said:
@Ventilaator said:" Is he only "not trolling" here because your opinion happens to fall in line with his? "
Giving Deadly Premonition a 10/10 and calling it the best game ever was trolling. Giving Heavy Rain an incredibly low score just so he could say Deadly Premonition is better is trolling. He said LBP2 has no replay value. He trolls all the time. Get over it. "" @yinstarrunner said:
" Is he only "not trolling" here because your opinion happens to fall in line with his? "Yes. I'm gonna answer for him. Jim Sterling didn't dislike a game I like, thank god he finally came to his senses and stopped being an ass. God I hate people....... "
" @TheHT said:lol fair enough. It ain't gonna stop though, that's for sure." @Ventilaator said:I hate seeing a billion people go OMG TROLLLLLLLLL whenever Jim Sterling writes LITERALLY ANYTHING that someone might disagree with. When I read a negative review of a game I like I go "Okay, sure". When people read a negative Jim Sterling review of a game they like, they go "YOU COCKSUCKING FAT FUCCCCCCKTARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL" "" @CL60: Reviews are opinions, he is totally free to write whatever the fuck he likes. "TC is free to write whatever he wants about Sterling's opinion, too. Point?@CL60 said:
"@l4wd0g said:I respect his honesty but, at times, he does come across as somewhat of a hypocrite. I respected his decision to use all 10 numbers of the 1-10 scale and, while disagreeing with his assessment of AC2 and it's 4/10, I could understand some of his frustrations. However, giving Kane and Lynch 2 a 1/10 is entirely nonsensical. Is it a good game? Not particularly. But it's not without some merits. If a game gets a 1/10, I expect it to load to the main menu about 50% of the time. He needs to be consistent with his scoring and, frankly, he isn't. "" I happen to really like Jim Sterling . He he's opionated as hell, but he backs it up. He doesn't fall into the hype some reviewers do. "
Why does there have to be rules to game reviews? There's nothing consistent about music, film or book reviews, yet for some reason it seems like we expect game reviewers to tow a certain line, and the flip out if they don't. As I person, I don't like Jim Sterling at all, but I do agree with a lot of the things he says about games. I personally wouldn't have assigned AC II a 4, but almost every one of the negatives he listed for that game I completely agreed with, they just happened to bother him more than me (although I do not like that game either).
I would like for there to be more people like Jim reviewing games. I'm sick of there existing this metacritic constant for video games where almost every major release ends up in the 85-90 range. Less objectivity and more subjectivity.
It is possible someone simply disliked Assassin's Creed II. I disliked Assassin's Creed Brotherhood and generally consider that entire series little more than a decent rental every year or two. I applaud him not being afraid of simply sharing his honest opinion and impressions of a game. That's what reviewers should do, not just stamp 8s and 9s on everything.
" @xyzygy said:And Destructoid quotes are actually quite common. I've seen them on many an advertisement." Wait a second. He gave Assassin's Creed 2 a 4? OK, yeah. He's a total troll. Doing it to screw up the metacritic rating. "Pretty sure he's a quote whore existing in a business where positive quote whoring is too common to get noticed. "
" I happen to really like Jim Sterling . He he's opionated as hell, but he backs it up. He doesn't fall into the hype some reviewers do. "This x10000.
" @yinstarrunner said:to be fair trolling is an awful lot of fun.@Ventilaator said:" Is he only "not trolling" here because your opinion happens to fall in line with his? "
Giving Deadly Premonition a 10/10 and calling it the best game ever was trolling. Giving Heavy Rain an incredibly low score just so he could say Deadly Premonition is better is trolling. He said LBP2 has no replay value. He trolls all the time. Get over it. "" @yinstarrunner said:
" Is he only "not trolling" here because your opinion happens to fall in line with his? "Yes. I'm gonna answer for him. Jim Sterling didn't dislike a game I like, thank god he finally came to his senses and stopped being an ass. God I hate people....... "
also to his credit Deadly Premonition is in fact better than heavy rain.
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