Who in MGS4 is an unreliable narrator?

#1 Posted by Psytek (174 posts) -

Naomi maybe? but I really wouldn't consider her a narrator. Can someone explain why MGS is linked to this concept?

#2 Posted by suneku (2997 posts) -

Otacon, if your going off of this paragraph from this page.

"A narrator found quite commonly in video games. It serves the purpose of teaching the player the controls, mechanics, and guiding them through an in-game tutorial. By doing so it touches briefly on the fourth wall.  Although rarely seen throughout the entire length of a game this narrator is often used for tutorial missions or as a guide for what to do next"


#3 Posted by lordofultima (6255 posts) -

I wouldn't say that Otacon is "unreliable" by any sense of the word, though he's most definitely a narrator.

#4 Posted by Suicrat (3764 posts) -

He does not fit the 'unreliable narrator' role, to be sure. An unreliable narrator is like GLaDOS or Atlas.

Also, we don't yet know that the RSPD narrator is unreliable either. Too early in the story to tell.

#5 Posted by TheGTAvaccine (2884 posts) -
Suicrat said:
"He does not fit the 'unreliable narrator' role, to be sure. An unreliable narrator is like GLaDOS or Atlas.

Also, we don't yet know that the RSPD narrator is unreliable either. Too early in the story to tell.
"
Except GLaDOS nor Atlas are narrators either. They're just characters.
#6 Posted by suneku (2997 posts) -

Yeah I've been wondering if MGS4 really fits in here or not... Otacon is pretty reliable.

#7 Posted by lordofultima (6255 posts) -

GLaDOS is a narrator, she talks you through every level in the game. I think you're completely wrong on that one. She's also -- as you may know -- very unreliable.

#8 Posted by Suicrat (3764 posts) -

A narrator can be a character. In fact, narrators often are characters. What they need to do is guide the player's actions, much like in a book how a narrator keeps the story tied together.

#9 Edited by chililili (1328 posts) -
lordofultima said:
"GLaDOS is a narrator, she talks you through every level in the game. I think you're completely wrong on that one. She's also -- as you may know -- very unreliable.
"
She is not a narrator there has laready been a long discussion on that, I just saw that someone added FFX to the page and that is a game with a narrator! At the beginning Tidus says "listen to my story. This may be our last chance." THAT IS A NARRATION, nowhere does GladOS, Atlas or anyother characters just says to the audience hey lsiten to this or let me tell you this story or this happened later on or I thought about this while he said this.

Having said that Tidus is not an unreliable narrator because he is completely honest to the audience.
#10 Posted by lordofultima (6255 posts) -

Narrator is a very subjective concept on its own, and varies in definition according to where you're reading.

Chill Pill.

















I suggest a chill pill.

#11 Edited by Spacetrucking (942 posts) -
lordofultima said:
"Narrator is a very subjective concept on its own, and varies in definition according to where you're reading.

Chill Pill.

















I suggest a chill pill.

"
Mario is unreliable. Ditch the pill!

This is Mario's true nature:
The unreliable narrator!


#12 Posted by Standing_Gopher (129 posts) -

I don't think Otacon fits on that page either.

#13 Edited by Psytek (174 posts) -

I didn't mean to question who is/isn't a narrator. I'm just thinking, Otacon Is reliable, which is why I asked if, perhaps, Naomi was the character that was in mind when MGS4 was added to the list, since she does kind of push the story forward to a certain extent, but its never really clear if she's being unreliable/lying, or if she's just plain crazy.

#14 Edited by ProxySoldier (3 posts) -

The difference between a Narrator and a character is that the character you play as is not aware of the narrator talking. He, she, or it is speaking directly to the player.Thus Glados is not a narrator. At least, that is, the way this page is using the term narrate, otherwise every character who speaks is technically a narrator.

#15 Posted by chililili (1328 posts) -
ProxySoldier said:
"The difference between a Narrator and a character is that the character you play as is not aware of the narrator talking. He, she, or it is speaking directly to the player.Thus Glados is not a narrator. At least, that is, the way this page is using the term narrate, otherwise every character who speaks is technically a narrator."
Thank you for putting it in simple words.
#16 Posted by Hazeunit (11 posts) -

I think Jackie Estacado, Nariko and Kratos are three unreliable up narrators.

#17 Posted by chililili (1328 posts) -
Hazeunit said:
"I think Jackie Estacado, Nariko and Kratos are three unreliable up narrators."
Kratos doesn't ever narrate. Its always the voice of Oracle/Gaia
#18 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

The only thing I could say about Otacon being unreliable is when he tells Sunny that Snake has to go away for a while when it's assumed that Snake is dead, but seeing as he doesn't kill himself, I doubt it would count and even if it did, that's petty reasoning.

#19 Posted by Keeng (1001 posts) -

Yeah, Otacon doesn't count.

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