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Edited by CenCen123

Sweet Thomas was Alone is a cool game! Love the narrative in it!

Posted by HammondofTexas

Bought Thomas Was Alone because of this, just like he said I would..... Conspiracy!

Posted by TheFeenMachine

@patrickklepek: I'm getting the "That video is unavailable." message. Just FYI.

Edited by TehPickle

England representing!

Also, what a charming chap.

Posted by BasketSnake

Thomas built a dome.

Edited by patrickklepek

@patrickklepek: I'm getting the "That video is unavailable." message. Just FYI.

Is that YouTube? It takes a little while for it to push out there...longer than the site version.

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Posted by Joemotycki

Mike Bithell might have been the coolest guest on this show so far. Glad his game did so well.

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Posted by MooseyMcMan

I still don't get the people that like Arkham Asylum more than Arkham City because "it's too big." The openness is part of why I love City so much. Asylum felt WAY too constrained to me.

Posted by DorkyMohr

@patrickklepek said:

Photo credit to GameCIty 7.

For a second there I had thought that Bombin' The AM had just gotten a huge budget and adopted an Inside the Actor's Studio style set.

Posted by Jedted

Where's the audio podcast of this?

Posted by James_Hayward

I definitely second Mike Bithell's opinion about Arkham City. Asylum was a superior experience. I'm normally of the mind that bigger is better in game world design but City proved an exception.

Posted by AMyggen

Really great interview. It's good to see these indie devs being open about what they do like this. It's refreshing in an industry where AAA devs are "protected" by ten layers of PR bullshit that won't let them speak a single honest word in the fear that they'll say something dumb (With a few notable exception, like Jaffe and Cliffy B) and I hope the openness of indie devs leads AAA devs to be more open towards their audience (especially on E3 podcasts!).

Posted by TheFeenMachine

@patrickklepek: Thanks! I hadn't noticed since I subbed that I had set YouTube as default...

Posted by Y2Ken

I do like Mike Bithell. Seems like a nice chap. And Thomas Was Alone is a fantastic game. Watched one of his early-development streams for Volume and it was really cool to see some of those early processes.

Posted by heatDrive88

@patrickklepek said:

Photo credit to GameCIty 7.

For a second there I had thought that Bombin' The AM had just gotten a huge budget and adopted an Inside the Actor's Studio style set.

Only if they start asking every guest what their favorite curse word is.

Posted by Jedted

@mooseymcman: Some people just want a directed liner experience and not be distracted by all the open world business. I love Arkham City but i usually save most of the side missions/riddler trophies for later.

Maybe if open world games had an option, like ME3 style, to just play the story missions that would be cool for players who just want that.

Edited by Draxyle

I am intrigued by Mike's iPad-based economy.

Also, I still really need to play Thomas was Alone; it's been sitting in my Steam Library for quite awhile.

Edit: I really agree with his stance on sales. There are a ton of games I would never had owned had they not gone on sale, simply because I'm not willing to pay above a certain price to try something that I'm normally not a big fan of.

Dark Souls, yea I'll pay 60 dollars right away because it's worth that much to me. Just Cause 2? I never would have even cared had it not hit below 10 dollars. The difference with and without the sales; the Just Cause 2 developers would not have gotten a cent from me without fluctuating prices taking effect.

Edited by AMyggen

@mooseymcman: My problem with City is that they don't really do anything with the open world: You're just going from A to B in a mostly empty world with almost nothing to do except for some dumb collectibles, and it just feels tedious. Every time I was out in the open world I wanted to go back to the story stuff. Asylum is a much more streamlined experience with no fat, which makes it a much better game in my opinion.

That's not to say that I'm against a more open world Batman game, but they need to actually do something with the open world,

Posted by swat200

Not really trying to be too negative here, but is anyone else not really digging the guest every Monday. I more prefer hearing Patrick and Alex "talk shop".

Posted by James_Hayward

@amyggen said:

@mooseymcman: My problem with City is that they don't really do anything with the open world: You're just going from A to B in a mostly empty world with almost nothing to do except for some dumb collectibles, and it just feels tedious. Every time I was out in the open world I wanted to go back to the story stuff. Asylum is a much more streamlined experience with no fat, which makes it a much better game in my opinion.

That's not to say that I'm against a more open world Batman game, but they need to actually do something with the open world,

exactly... that's a much better way of articulating what I also felt about it.

Posted by TehPickle
@swat200 said:

Not really trying to be too negative here, but is anyone else not really digging the guest every Monday. I more prefer hearing Patrick and Alex "talk shop".

Personally, I wish the Monday episodes were longer. Chat with the guest for a bit, and talk shop. I don't think the two things need to be mutually exclusive.

Posted by AMyggen

@swat200: I really like the format. It's enough that the Friday episode is just the two guys, two episodes of that a week is a bit much. And I really like the format of interviewing a dev on monday and having him/her talking about the news etc. with Alex and Patrick. As I said there's way too much PR bullshit in this industry and I find it very interesting to hear what these devs have to say.

Edited by ulfsarrk

i apologize for my English, its not my first language.I don't know to put this so i'm just going to blurt it all out but i feel i need to post a comment and say that i really wish you gave more focus on the guest , Mike seemed such a interesting person, based solely on playing Thomas was alone. I don't dislike being focused on you guys but i can watch you guys talk about stuff on Friday and its only a day i get a chance to watch other great people from the gaming related industry.

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Posted by EuanDewar

the PSN+ thing was pretty interesting. I wonder what most developers ask for in return from sony

Posted by rmanthorp

Mike seemed 100% legitimate in everything he said in this video. Great guest! Get him on again!

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Edited by TournamentOfHate

Awesome show and awesome guest. Already excited for next Monday's with Jim Sterling.

Posted by JackSukeru

What a likeable guy! Now I just hope that Volume will be something I'd be into.

The presentation with the voiceover and everything was definetly what sold me on Thomas was Alone back when it was quicklooked, though I distinctly remember being in the minority in the QL comments. I actually recall being surprised by how toxic some of them were.

Posted by Mysterysheep

Seems like a really nice, honest dude. I like that he was willing to admit how utterly unsure you can be of the end result when making something. It's kind of rare to hear many developers say that there's the possibility that their game "might be shit".

Posted by ninjalegend

I don't know if the way to solve the "stealth kill everyone" problem is with restrictions like you can't kill anyone. How about if the options were less boring than sneak past the guy? Like hack the guards cell phone account and send a text message from his girlfriend saying "oh, god help..." or something to that effect to make the guard leave his post. Or cutting the power to an elevator once a guard gets in.Or even a bomb scare that leaves the area empty but now you have a timer on when the bomb squad arrives. Perhaps lighting a fire that is a great way to distract but cuts off your exit and now you must find another before the place burns to the ground.

Wow, so the you tubers have that much pull? I did not expect that. I personally still prefer the bigger sites like GB where I can get all I want about videogames in one place. Like a vdeogame information Wal-Mart.....I never bought a game from watching a you tuber's stream, but I did just pick up Blackgaurds because of the quicklook. You know, now that I think of it, videogame Wal-Mart sounds derogatory. That was not my intention. How about something more indie, like a videogame information flea market or swap and shop. There, that's more like it.

Edited by Tennmuerti

And yet Origins constraints and explanations for the open world section being segmented and devoid of people were even more contrived and even more bizarre. Shit half of it was almost entirely a copy paste job from City too with some snow added, nor did it do one iota more with it's open world then City did. :/

Oh and if you were into solving puzzles, doing villain side missions and the like, City did do a lot with it's open world, more then a lot of open world game do in fact.

I completely understand why some people prefer the smaller more liner Asylum.

However Origins did nothing to improve on City, besides have an arguably better story; but coming at the expense of worse traversal, worse combat, worse roster, worse puzzles, worse leveling progression.

The English dude is alright tho :)

Edited by EuanDewar

And yet Origins constraints and explanations for the open world section being segmented and devoid of people were even more contrived and even more bizarre. Shit half of it was almost entirely a copy paste job from City too with some snow added, nor did it do one iota more with it's open world then City did. :/

Oh and if you were into solving puzzles, doing villain side missions and the like, City did do a lot with it's open world, more then a lot of open world game do in fact.

I completely understand why some people prefer the smaller more liner Asylum.

But Origins did nothing to improve on City, besides have an arguably better story; but coming at the expense of worse traversal, worse combat, worse rooster, worse puzzles, worse leveling progression.

yeah man the rooster in that game sucked, lame cockerel all over the place

Edited by poisonmonkey

What a nice honest dude, the more Brits on this site the better, off to buy Thomas now. Also can't wait for Jim Sterling next week, another fine guest.

Posted by AssInAss

Mike is a cool dude. Played Volume at Eurogamer Expo.

Quite hard and took a while to get to grips with the echo mechanic, but very accessible and cool angular aesthetics. Definitely saw the MGS vibes.

Edited by ectoplasma

Really great discussion! I just wished you started the dialogue with the guest right away. I really have to say it's awesome that Patrick is such a Trooper concerning content. Even if there's no new quicklook there will always be Bombing the AM, Worth Playing, Worth Reading or a Dumptruck Episode!

Also: That British dude seems alright and I kinda like rectangles so I'm gonna pick up Thomas Was Alone during the next sale.

Posted by Humanity

This British chap is quite alright. No interest in playing Thomas is Alone, but I'll help with the rent when Volume comes out.

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Posted by ike7779

Southern Han Solo himself! I will go on record as saying I loved Geography Jumper, played through it on PC and PS3.

Scoops you've been knocking it out of the park in terms of guests lately.

Edited by ChrisTaran

Really loved Mike as a guest! Looking forward to seeing him back.

Great show as always guys.

Edited by spraynardtatum

"and then Totalbiscuit did a quicklook and I had 2-3 years salary in the bank"

That's amazing.

Posted by megalowho

Great guest and show today. PS+ talk was really interesting, even if he couldn't go into full details. Don't get to hear about that process from developers too often.

Posted by gaftra

"and then Totalbiscuit did a quicklook and I had 2-3 years salary in the bank"

That's amazing.

I think that was an amazing point and I'l love to see someone like @patrickklepek explore it more. The idea that youtube personalities, not game reviews sites, drive sales is fascinating.

The whole business ecosystem for games is changing so drastically and quickly I think it really bears more investigation.

Posted by Mechanized

What a great guest, some real honest discussion on being an indie dev and expectations vs. reality, great episode.

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@gaftra said:

@spraynardtatum said:

"and then Totalbiscuit did a quicklook and I had 2-3 years salary in the bank"

That's amazing.

I think that was an amazing point and I'l love to see someone like @patrickklepek explore it more. The idea that youtube personalities, not game reviews sites, drive sales is fascinating.

The whole business ecosystem for games is changing so drastically and quickly I think it really bears more investigation.

Absolutely. It also brings a lot of weight to the thought of youtubers being bought out for stealth marketing purposes.

Posted by BaconGames

There have been some solid and out and out great guests before (Totalbiscuit among them) but I think Mike has become my new favorite guest so far. And you know what, he's totally right. I'm gonna grab Thomas Was Alone on a whim because of a how cool he was on this show for a couple bucks.

Posted by jpmcosta

I don't agree that sales are hurting the industry in the long term mainly because:

- we are in a digital age, where the price of games is somewhat outdated; AAA games don't need to be sold at $50 anymore; at least online they don't.

- many people buy games that they wouldn't, otherwise. If it's a good deal, with a lot of traction, many people will probably buy just because; many of them won't even actually play those games.

Posted by patrickklepek

@gaftra said:

@spraynardtatum said:

"and then Totalbiscuit did a quicklook and I had 2-3 years salary in the bank"

That's amazing.

I think that was an amazing point and I'l love to see someone like @patrickklepek explore it more. The idea that youtube personalities, not game reviews sites, drive sales is fascinating.

The whole business ecosystem for games is changing so drastically and quickly I think it really bears more investigation.

Absolutely. It also brings a lot of weight to the thought of youtubers being bought out for stealth marketing purposes.

I don't know if it makes sense to think of them as "YouTube personalities." They are personalities, just like Giant Bomb. Their platform is YouTube. I suspect many of them would do very well for themselves elsewhere.

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Posted by nelson1tom

Fantastic guest. I'd love to hear him some more in some future content. Super interesting look into the development of an indy game.

Posted by gaftra

@spraynardtatum said:

@gaftra said:

@spraynardtatum said:

"and then Totalbiscuit did a quicklook and I had 2-3 years salary in the bank"

That's amazing.

I think that was an amazing point and I'l love to see someone like @patrickklepek explore it more. The idea that youtube personalities, not game reviews sites, drive sales is fascinating.

The whole business ecosystem for games is changing so drastically and quickly I think it really bears more investigation.

Absolutely. It also brings a lot of weight to the thought of youtubers being bought out for stealth marketing purposes.

I don't know if it makes sense to think of them as "YouTube personalities." They are personalities, just like Giant Bomb. Their platform is YouTube. I suspect many of them would do very well for themselves elsewhere.

Saying where they come from is mostly semantics. You could take "youtube" as a shorthand for someone posting self published "let's play" videos, whether the source is Twitch or something else.

Do you really think someone like Pewdiepie would have found a venue and audience outside of the self published web? I don't know that many of these people would have made a name or had the time to work out a voice in any kind of traditional business model.

I think your prediction about everyone being online is correct and there will probably be a better diversification of channels that people can get content out to the public.

What I think is the most interesting is that the sales of games are a direct result of the "let's play" video and not the reviewer. Contrast that idea to concepts like bonuses based on meta critic averages and you have a real head scratcher in terms of the value of criticism in relation to sales.

Edited by McLargepants

Excellent guest, excellent show!

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