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Edited by mbdoeden

Wrasslin' and Luftrousin' and oh god it really is Monday.

Edited by spilledmilkfactory

Man, I wish I was going to PAX this year so I could see all the panels and head to the meetup thing. Just couldn't afford the trip :'(

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LUFTRAUSERS

Edited by DarkbeatDK

Don't have time to watch it right now, but if this is about those unreasonable people who whined about National-Socialist imagery in Luftrausers, then we are wasting our time acknowledging their existence.

All this new "Um, these games have super problematic content" people, are just a new generation of trolls, who is just fishing for a reaction.... Hell, I'm even falling for it right now by writing this post!

The problem is, that the insistent whining over everything, eventually drowns out all the real issues and that's why we all need to put a stop to it and call them out.

Posted by teaoverlord

Is it just me, or do they keep saying Romney?

Edited by Benmo316

Who's the story writer for the Royal Rumble on Sunday morning? Any celebrity run ins?

Posted by Sarumarine

LUFTRAUSERS

Get ready to Navarro!

Posted by Seikenfreak

Heads up Alex: My mother happened to come into my room while I was listening and said she doesn't like your voice.

My eyes couldn't roll any harder if I tried. It's good to have a slightly unique tone for the internet or everyone would sound the same.

Posted by omghisam

Don't have time to watch it right now, but if this is about those unreasonable people who whined about National-Socialist imagery in Luftrausers, then we are wasting our time acknowledging their existence.

All this new "Um, these games have super problematic content" people, are just a new generation of trolls, who is just fishing for a reaction.... Hell, I'm even falling for it right now by writing this post!

The problem is, that the insistent whining over everything, eventually drowns out all the real issues and that's why we all need to put a stop to it and call them out.

I really sympathize that strangers on the internet having a civil conversation about historical imagery in art stresses you so much.

Posted by DarkbeatDK

@omghisam: Thank you! FINALLY a voice of reason :D

Edited by Nomin

The game in question uses stylized Nazi symbols but I thought people really didn't have a problem with that translation into such uses in a game. The answers from the developer seem vague and disingenuous at best, as to insinuate that they certainly knew where the sources originated from (Cold War, yeah right). I'd like to try the game to see if there is more than meets the eye that merely serve as decorative context to the game's assets and what little narrative it incorporates but I think it is not really worth the effort.

Posted by MooseyMcMan

To me, the faux-Nazi imagery is the only appealing thing about Luftrausers (which I have not played), so that's my opinion.

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Posted by FinalDasa

You don't need tickets for the meetup on Friday according to Danny O' Dwyer, just show up.

And the Rich Gallup/Vinny panel, called PRODUCED, is at 1:30pm on Sunday and is at the same time as 404ing it (which will have Jeff and a few other site favorites).

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Edited by exelan

I had no idea Alex had ink...

Edited by BluPotato

Clam and respectful dialogue on the internet!? Well now I'm offended!

Edited by Travan

I had dismissed Luftrausers early on largely because of its aesthetic, and only really took a look at it because of Rami's blog post. It actually looks pretty fun! Good on Rami for taking the time to lay out the design logic, and good on @patrickklepek for highlighting here and on twitter/tumblr.

Posted by Mathey

I see Alex is channeling Werner Herzog. Again.

Posted by patrickklepek

You don't need tickets for the meetup on Friday according to Danny O' Dwyer, just show up.

And the Rich Gallup/Vinny panel, called PRODUCED, is at 1:30pm on Sunday and is at the same time as 404ing it (which will have Jeff and a few other site favorites).

A-HA.

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people love being offended.

Posted by ThePilgrums

@neato: No, they don't. They don't seem to like it at all judging by their comments!

Posted by Wikitoups
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@thepilgrums said:

@neato: No, they don't. They don't seem to like it at all judging by their comments!

oh, they love it. another opportunity to post a non-issue on Twitter just to get that sweet, sweet reaction! another wave of attention, good and bad! and all under the guise of honor and justice! it is a sweet deal, being offended.

sure, the discourse that took place was reasonable, but i don't think reasonable people would have made it that far. a reasonable person would say, "oh, yeah that doesn't make me feel good. i'll stop subjecting myself to it" instead of convincing themselves any sort of injustice had been done.

Posted by Chicken008

Never apologize for your art Vlambeer.

Edited by MikeLemmer

John T. Drake stabs people for their Diet Coke.

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Posted by Robopengy

@exelan: Dude, you should see his leg

Posted by 2kings

Alex you shit. Why are you hating on Indiana? Fucking pedantic asshole who lives in NY thinks he's better than people who live some place else he doesn't approve of. this type of shit falls into the same boat as racism as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by ajroo

The meet up is just a biiiiiiit to far away for me and it bums me out. One of these days one of these things has gotta coincidentally end up within afternoon driving distance. Although living in the exact center of Pennsylvania makes that all the more improbable. Hope you all have a good time and travel safe.

Dont get stabbed.

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@neato said:

@thepilgrums said:

@neato: No, they don't. They don't seem to like it at all judging by their comments!

oh, they love it. another opportunity to post a non-issue on Twitter just to get that sweet, sweet reaction! another wave of attention, good and bad! and all under the guise of honor and justice! it is a sweet deal, being offended.

sure, the discourse that took place was reasonable, but i don't think reasonable people would have made it that far. a reasonable person would say, "oh, yeah that doesn't make me feel good. i'll stop subjecting myself to it" instead of convincing themselves any sort of injustice had been done.

Yeah mate, it's totally a huge conspiracy to get attention by snickering, hand-wringing do-gooders and not reasonable adults discussing things like reasonable adults.

You are very smart.

Posted by ThePilgrums

@neato: Or they could be genuinely be upset and voicing legitimate concerns. But your delusional conspiracy theory works too, I guess.

Also your theory that the solution to being offended is covering your eyes and ignoring the offending material is pretty entertaining.

Posted by heatDrive88

@2kings said:

Alex you shit. Why are you hating on Indiana? Fucking pedantic asshole who lives in NY thinks he's better than people who live some place else he doesn't approve of. this type of shit falls into the same boat as racism as far as I'm concerned.

Well you know see here the main difference and thing about racis-

Posted by InsaneGenis

Indianapolis resident here. PAX will be in Chicago, because we are not Central Standard Time. We are East. Gary and Evansville are the only exceptions.

My wife heard the Indy joke and kiddingly said she'd run Alex over. I guess she's trying to help make us the murder capital of the country. We are headed there.

Yes, we are a pretty boring town, but not as bad as about 40 other major cities in this nation.

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@thepilgrums said:

Also your theory that the solution to being offended is covering your eyes and ignoring the offending material is pretty entertaining.

That isn't the solution? Why is me finding something offensive worth talking about if I keep subjecting myself to it? It is like someone hitting themselves on the head, and instead of stopping, they continue so they can write about the dangers of it.

@lightningproof said:

Yeah mate, it's totally a huge conspiracy to get attention by snickering, hand-wringing do-gooders and not reasonable adults discussing things like reasonable adults.

You are very smart.

Maybe I am thick-skinned and cynical, but I absolutely believe people make big deals out of nothing for attention. Not in a malicious way like you painted, though. Have you watched the news lately?

Posted by HerbieBug

Alex you've got to try going to the movies alone. Wednesday early matinee is best time for solo movie watching. Theatre will be empty aside from you and a couple other old guys who have also learned the appeal of a deserted theatre. :D

Posted by patbaer

@patrickklepek:

@finaldasa said:

You don't need tickets for the meetup on Friday according to Danny O' Dwyer, just show up.

And the Rich Gallup/Vinny panel, called PRODUCED, is at 1:30pm on Sunday and is at the same time as 404ing it (which will have Jeff and a few other site favorites).

A-HA.

Such a bummer. I wanted to see that panel, and Vinny had to leave PAX last year before my panel!

Posted by FinalDasa

@patbaer: Yeah that bummed me out too. Vinny on the 404 panel would be a treat, but there is always next year!

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Posted by cooljammer00

Brock Lesnar kinda ruined my 'Under-Draker 4-0" sign idea.

You know, cause John Drake killed all those people at the airport.

Posted by Fram

Shit starts getting dark around the 31 minute mark!

Posted by kid_gloves

@insanegenis:

Was going to say the same thing, I live about 45 minutes south in Columbus. I would love it to be in Indy, a really good city to host these sorts of things (conventions are one of their biggest industries).

But hopefully it is Chicago not Austin because I would totally make it up there for PAX, and I have plenty of family and friends in the area I could crash with. Hell any bone for this sort of thing in the Midwest would be a huge boon, we fucking get so little love from the gaming industry here its just infuriating.

Posted by InsaneGenis

Whenever Indiana gets made fun of by Chicago it always comes with "We will take I65 and Indianapolis, indiana can take the rest of Illinois. Can't forget Columbus though. Cummins has made it the only other city in Indiana with people who have some intelligence.