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Posted By Nottle

@milkman said:

Patrick, you got it all backwards. MGS 2 & 4 are the good ones. 1 & 3 are the shitty ones. Common mistake.

How can anyone think 1 and 3 are shitty? MGS2 is one of my favorite games ever made but 1 and 3 are fantastic.

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Edited By dezvous

"MGS2 and 4 are complete trash"

Patrick Klepek

Damn, Patrick. Do you really feel that way about those games or were you just being hyperbolic?

I really respect your opinions man, but sometimes it's hard to tell what feelings are heightened for effect or your actual opinion. When you write a long form article you're very detailed and it's easy to understand where you're coming from even if I disagree with you so I've come to understand that things are rarely just surface level with you. You seemingly appreciate things on a much deeper level than most others, or at least have the ability to articulate that appreciation better than others. So when it seems like during a good majority of live content you tend to say things that may not accurately reflect how you actually feel it just throws me for a complete loop. It always seems to be extremes, it's either the best thing or the absolute worth thing ever and that clashes completely with the kind of person you seem to be.

Keep up all the incredible content though. It would just be nice to see less (what seems like) hyperbole in general, especially from the people I really respect. It tends to be something that plagues this community. There is no middle ground with many people, or at least that's what they would have you believe.

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Edited By Zero315

Loved the sports talk. I've always wanted to hear Patrick and Alex talk football, seeing as how they seem to be the only ones with a real interest in it.

And I watched the SCEJ conference live. The translators were the most hilarious fucking thing in the world to a very tired guy at 3AM.

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Posted By Krakn3Dfx

It's unfortunate to keep hearing people with some amount of influence on the gaming community continue to say there are no Vita games, which is a giant inaccuracy. The Vita has a ton of great games, yes, a lot of them are PSN downloadable titles, but I have more Vita games available to me than I could realistically play at this point in addition to PC and console gaming.

Also @patrickklepek, I've used Gaikai a couple of times, the tech behind remote play in the PS4/Vita/VitaTV setup. EA/Origin was using it for demos for awhile before Sony bought Gaikai and it worked great, and I also had the opportunity to mess around with it running on a Samsung TV a few years ago playing Splinter Cell, and it worked great on the internet connection at the Embassy Suites we were at reaching back to the Gaikai server wherever it was. Given how well it ran in both of those situations, I expect using it for Remote Play between the PS4, which is going to be running it's own Gaikai mini-server, and the Vita or Vita TV, I expect the experience is going to be damned near flawless over a home wireless network running at least 802.11n

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Posted By masterpaperlink

hey hey guys can you put the sports stuff at the end so we can skip it? otherwise good job good job

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Posted By JasonR86

@herbiebug:

I want them to only talk about sports.

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Edited By Yummylee

@boozak: To be honest, I actually do really like MGS2 a lot, just not as much as 1 & 3. MGS4 is the only one I'm not a particular fan of. Well, that and Peace Walker. Rising on the other hand is goddamn awesome

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Posted By patrickklepek

@neckbear said:

Did I just hear Patrick say that Gone Home's biggest twist is that it's not a video game?

Naw. That it's a video game without, really, a late game twist or revelation or last-minute gotcha! That it stays the course, tells its story, and doesn't try to be anything more than that is part of what makes it amazing.

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Posted By Edgewood

I was misled by the PSO2 header image, Patrick. Why did you do that to me?

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Posted By Humanity

Kojima likes boobs, finds women attractive, breaking headline news.

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Posted By TMBaker

Here's the trailers Patrick was talking about with the funny translations.

For the lazy:

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Edited By BoOzak
@moonwalksa said:

@yummylee said:
@arbitrarywater said:

@milkman said:

Patrick, you got it all backwards. MGS 2 & 4 are the good ones. 1 & 3 are the shitty ones. Common mistake.

Yep.

Nope.

You're all backwards, the good ones are everything from MGS 1-3.

And Revengeance but I doubt anyone's counting that.

2>1>MGR>4>3 ;D (Although I dont consider any of them bad, even the portable ones are okay)

I think the problem Patrick and Alex are having in regards to MGS is taking any of it seriously. And a lot of other people have the same problem. If you approach MGS the same way you approach Yakuza you'll love it. The crazy moments are amplified because of how serious the tone can be a lot of the time.

Not all of us love the "Fuck it" approach of Saints Row the 3rd because after awhile cranking it to 11 kind of loses it's effect. I still enjoyed those games, but I prefer it when things are a little more grounded.

Also calling MGS2 trash just because you didnt like the story is kind of dumb. The game looked better than mostly everything out at the time, had a great soundtrack, and had stealth mechanics that were far beyond anything else that came out in 2001.

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Posted By bunkerbuster05

I'm one of those lucky guys who likes MGS 1-4, as well as Revengance. It's all stupid, over-complicated nonsense with giant mooing monsters and nanobot vampires.

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Edited By MoonwalkSA

@yummylee said:
@arbitrarywater said:

@milkman said:

Patrick, you got it all backwards. MGS 2 & 4 are the good ones. 1 & 3 are the shitty ones. Common mistake.

Yep.

Nope.

You're all backwards, the good ones are everything from MGS 1-3.

And Revengeance but I doubt anyone's counting that.

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Edited By Brazzle

@milkman said:

@foxmulder said:

If Kojima made a male sniper with no shirt and a speedo, no one would be making a big deal about it. What's wrong with a female soldier expressing her sexuality?

I can't believe I'm getting into this stupid conversation again.

This is not a "female solider expressing their sexuality" because she's not a real person. She's a video game character. She's not expressing anything. A man drew her like that.

I don't even have a huge problem with the character but the extreme misrepresentations of the opposing arguments on both sides of this stupid, stupid issue are so annoying.

Just because she is a fictional creation doesn't mean she can't have character traits that include expressing herself through how she dresses. Sure, a MAN drew her, wrote her, and created her but that doesn't diminish her character and self-expression through her actions. She may not think on her own but she can be appear as such through the illusion of fiction. By your logic no video game character has ever had any personality, drive, or emotion simply because they're not real.

That's being incredibly obtuse on your part though, because it is an established trope that female characters are created this way not because it is an interesting or important part of their character but rather for the consumptive, male gaze of the audience. It typically doesn't flesh these characters out or add some level of complexity, rather it reduces them to eye candy, purely acting as objectifying fan service.

And a lot of people are really, really tired of seeing these tropes played out again and again. And a lot of people find it very alienating.

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Edited By KentonClay

@foxmulder said:

Just because she is a fictional creation doesn't mean she can't have character traits that include expressing herself through how she dresses. Sure, a MAN drew her, wrote her, and created her but that doesn't diminish her character and self-expression through her actions. She may not think on her own but she can be appear as such through the illusion of fiction. By your logic no video game character has ever had any personality, drive, or emotion simply because they're not real.

Right, but when character traits seem to exist only to create fan service for the audience, it's a little hard to take seriously.

You can make a game is full of, say, nymphomaniac lesbian exhibitionists, but nobody's going to believe you when you tell them it's a riveting narrative about the horrors of war. (And yes, it's technically possible to make that work, but you know what I mean.)

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Posted By SatelliteOfLove

@Papers Please: I'm liking what I'm hearing about the game's pitting of morality vs ethics and it's successful translation of totalitarianism to gameplay. I'll probably get around to it if not this year, then next year.

@The XBone Kid: There's a word for that kind of cringing for someone else's embarrassment, but it's on the tip of my tongue.

@Kojima: He's realizing an oppotunity for attention for saying things that used to go unsaid and unnoticed. Crazy like a foxhound.

@tri-Ace: Now they can pay their employees! Seriously, though: they made Resonance of Fate last. Also a nice looking graphics engine. That went completely untouched as theres no market for new gen 7 HD Japanese engines. So yeah.

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Posted By HerbieBug

Please stop talking about sports.

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Edited By mrangryface

Also- anyone upset about the new Robocop trailer should just remember Robocop 3, and realize that this will still probably be better than that so chill out.

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Posted By Yummylee

@milkman said:

Patrick, you got it all backwards. MGS 2 & 4 are the good ones. 1 & 3 are the shitty ones. Common mistake.

Yep.

Nope.

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Posted By ArbitraryWater

@milkman said:

Patrick, you got it all backwards. MGS 2 & 4 are the good ones. 1 & 3 are the shitty ones. Common mistake.

Yep.

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Posted By mrangryface

"Jeff needs games too" = line of the show

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Edited By ptys

Reason why colours aren't brought to the west is that most western males aren't as expressive with colours as their Japanese counterparts, as far as the Japanese believe. I bought a blue Vita when I was over there and the girl at the counter asked if I was aware it was blue, lol.

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Posted By Belialjtg87
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Posted By Curufinwe

The Vita TV is for me. I love some of the Vita games that are out, or coming, but hate portables. This box will let me play Persona 4 Golden and Wipeout 2048 on my big screen TV without the need to squint and hold the OLED an inch away from my eyeballs. Pre-ordered.

Wipeout 2048 would really benefit from a bigger screen a proper control pad.

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Edited By doe3879

should they just show the 2 faces on screen at all time?

the face swapping is irritating

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Posted By MoonwalkSA

Sony blah, MGS blah, I'm wondering where the PSO2 screenshot comes into all this.

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Edited By Hyuzen

It always makes me a little sad when I hear people talk about how much they love the Walking Dead show, and talk about it like it's the best show ever. Those people, in most cases, haven't played the game, or read the comic, and I just feel like they really don't know what they're missing!

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Edited By AngriGhandi

I don't know why Patrick doesn't appreciate MGS4's fevered conspiracy meltdown better, considering his two favorite TV shows were based around the exact same thing.

And MGS accomplished it better, in the end!

Say what you will about the relative twistiness or bumpiness of the road, but MGS4 ends up at a place where everything makes sense to its world, everything had significance, and its characters have all reached a natural conclusion for their stories. Even if it has to be cuh-razy to get there, it gets there honestly.

I mean, when Kojima wants you to understand the fatalistic determination and apocalyptic future-anxiety that Metal Gear is all about, he does it with a supercomputer microwave hallway that is both real to the world of the game and metaphorically significant. (Not a magic astral space-church out of nowhere. For example.)

So I guess what I'm saying is maybe Patrick should give it another look one day with an open mind to what it is unto itself. I mean, it accomplishes what it sets out to do-- in its own insane, hysterical way. Isn't that what a creative work is all about? We should be begging for more Kojimas in today's stagnating, risk-averse big-budget creative climate.

(Also (as a perfect example): that Robocop remake looks as pointless and bland as the Totall Recall remake, no one will even remember it a year from now, and it can fuck right off.)

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Posted By Sanj

Once I noticed that Clockwork Orange thing behind Alex, I now can't unnotice it. And it's freaking me out.

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Posted By Draxyle

It's become a huge pet peeve of mine when a character's outfit betrays their personality. When I see shy, demure characters wearing stripper clothing, then we've got a problem on our hands; I see that far too often coming out of games nowadays. It's okay to dress characters provocatively, but it has to make sense for the character to want to wear such things. It's all about not betraying the atmosphere of a game.

We really can't judge "Quiet's" character too much until we see her in context, but it's completely understandable that people have a hard time believing that it will be justified. Her outfit is pretty darn out there, even for MGS.

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Posted By ninkendo

@newmarcom: It remote plays PS4 games, but it does indeed play Vita games both digital and physical.

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Posted By Dan_CiTi

@silentbob251 said:

I've only played MGS4 so I really can't say much about the series, but I really enjoyed it. Isn't MGS2 the most beloved of the series?

At the time of release, MGS2 was a huge disappointment (at least at my school). I haven't played an MGS game since then and I'm honestly amazed whenever I hear someone say they enjoyed it. That game was a hot mess from beginning to end.

1 and 3 are definitely the most loved, but my favorite goes between 2 and 3. 2 has just really solid gameplay imo, it is still nuanced while still being arcade-y, 3 onward added a lot of systems that were cool but sometimes too much.

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Posted By Neckbear

Did I just hear Patrick say that Gone Home's biggest twist is that it's not a video game?

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Posted By edgeCrusher

The Vita TV is for me. I love some of the Vita games that are out, or coming, but hate portables. This box will let me play Persona 4 Golden and Wipeout 2048 on my big screen TV without the need to squint and hold the OLED an inch away from my eyeballs. Pre-ordered.

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Posted By del129

The PS4 and PS Vita TV both have ethernet for a more secure connection.

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Posted By jasius

the walking/creeping around sim genre does nothing for me at all, and people get freaked out in these games because you’re “supposed” to. It’s a bad trend and just a clever social meta game in the strictest sense, some attention whore/internet celebrity posts “omg scariest thing ever!!!!!!” Then the reader is like " yeah if I get scared by this I’m cool like that guy".

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Posted By foxmulder

@milkman said:

@foxmulder said:

If Kojima made a male sniper with no shirt and a speedo, no one would be making a big deal about it. What's wrong with a female soldier expressing her sexuality?

I can't believe I'm getting into this stupid conversation again.

This is not a "female solider expressing their sexuality" because she's not a real person. She's a video game character. She's not expressing anything. A man drew her like that.

I don't even have a huge problem with the character but the extreme misrepresentations of the opposing arguments on both sides of this stupid, stupid issue are so annoying.

Just because she is a fictional creation doesn't mean she can't have character traits that include expressing herself through how she dresses. Sure, a MAN drew her, wrote her, and created her but that doesn't diminish her character and self-expression through her actions. She may not think on her own but she can be appear as such through the illusion of fiction. By your logic no video game character has ever had any personality, drive, or emotion simply because they're not real.

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Posted By L33T_HAXOR

I've only played MGS4 so I really can't say much about the series, but I really enjoyed it. Isn't MGS2 the most beloved of the series?

At the time of release, MGS2 was a huge disappointment (at least at my school). I haven't played an MGS game since then and I'm honestly amazed whenever I hear someone say they enjoyed it. That game was a hot mess from beginning to end.

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Posted By SilentBob251

I've only played MGS4 so I really can't say much about the series, but I really enjoyed it. Isn't MGS2 the most beloved of the series?

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Posted By Matterless

please patrick don't call it ho ho cum

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Posted By Roomrunner

If I went back to my parents' house, I'd no doubt find an archive of Mystery Science Theater 3000 VHS tapes.

With the host segments cut out though. I didn't have the appreciation for them that I do now.

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Edited By Milkman

If Kojima made a male sniper with no shirt and a speedo, no one would be making a big deal about it. What's wrong with a female soldier expressing her sexuality?

I can't believe I'm getting into this stupid conversation again.

This is not a "female solider expressing their sexuality" because she's not a real person. She's a video game character. She's not expressing anything. A man drew her like that.

I don't even have a huge problem with the character but the extreme misrepresentations of the opposing arguments on both sides of this stupid, stupid issue are so annoying.

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Posted By AceNugget

Alex, I don't know if anyone has seen/read/or been told the plot of a metal gear game and said the words "That makes sense." I feel like I experienced mgs4 the right way, by watching a couple drunken Something Awful friends stagger through the game. Being shit faced in that final Ocelot fight is something to behold.

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Posted By Pixeldemon

@foxmulder: Because in North America all sexuality is shameful, dirty, bad, degrading or exploitative. If you dare to interpret it in a positive way, you are clearly a hateful lecher. According to my priest, the etymology for "Erotic" is literally "characterized by filthy-devil-smut".

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Posted By Milkman

Patrick, you got it all backwards. MGS 2 & 4 are the good ones. 1 & 3 are the shitty ones. Common mistake.

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