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Posted by Max_Power_

I appreciate the perspective and after having played it for a few hours, I can't say that there is anything untrue about the arguments presented here. But at least to me, the setting and character is enough to make it a must play. Simply because it isn't another one of those games. By which I mean Halo clones, Gears clones, Guitar Hero games, Sports games etc. 

Posted by Tortoise

Apparantly its not meant to be an RTS. I quote from 
http://www.doublefine.com/news/comments/battle_time/
 
"So to summarize my advice for playing Brütal Legend Stage Battles:

Get in the center of the action!
Use Double Team attacks!
Don’t stay in the air too long!
Use Double Team attacks!!
For the most part, keep your army together!
Use Double Team attacks!!!
Don’t think of it as an RTS game!
Always be building squads and spending your fans! Don't hoard fans!"

Edited by Spacetrucking
@Lazyaza said:

" Wow this game really is turning in to a 'reviewers verses gamers' affair. 

I think the difference comes from the point of view. A reviewer has to make the distinction between tolerable and enjoyable gameplay for the masses and there in lies Brutal Legend's failing. The RTS gameplay might not be broken but I've yet to hear anyone say that they are enjoying that part of the game. And given how majority of the multiplayer is based on the RTS format, it really hurts the longevity argument, which in turn leads to lower review scores.
 
Speaking personally, there have been many games that I thoroughly enjoyed myself but I would never recommend them to a friend because they are broken in some weird way and unless you're already way into it, you won't enjoy the experience. Reviews are for people who are on the edge about a game/product and need a 3rd party advice to make the decision. Almost everyone here complaining about the score are people who already made a decision about the game before reading the review and thus it holds no real value to them. 
 
Ryan's job is not to conform to the popular or your personal opinion but help you make a buying decision about the game. In that regard, I think Giantbomb has always done its job wonderfully and this review is no different. It tells you enough to make an informed decision.
Posted by Terjay
@Tortoise said:
" Apparantly its not meant to be an RTS. I quote from  http://www.doublefine.com/news/comments/battle_time/  "So to summarize my advice for playing Brütal Legend Stage Battles: Get in the center of the action! Use Double Team attacks! Don’t stay in the air too long! Use Double Team attacks!! For the most part, keep your army together! Use Double Team attacks!!! Don’t think of it as an RTS game! Always be building squads and spending your fans! Don't hoard fans!" "
If the makers have to tell the people how to play their game it's pretty concerning. Do you guys remember the whole Lair thing from a while ago?
Posted by Nekroskop

I bought 2 copies today(don't ask) and I don't regret it at all. So far I'm loving it.
Posted by MeierTheRed

I will skip this game, sounds very boring. Who knows i might pick it up at some point when its dirt cheap.

Posted by atomic_dumpling

"Like most teenage metal heads, this game has got issues" - way to alienate your audience.

Posted by John1912

Its a renter.  I wouldnt buy it in hind sight.  VERY short game.
Posted by Pet_Assassin

Man, I really wanted to like this game.  It sounded so cool.

  •  Heavy Metal - Alright. 
  • Open World - Cool. 
  • Character Action - Yeah!
  • Tim Shafer - Fuck Yeah!
  • RTS - ...DAMMIT!
Posted by Metroid545
@ahaisthisourchance said:
" I bought 2 copies today(don't ask) and I don't regret it at all. So far I'm loving it. "
could I have one
Posted by hyperslug
@Blair said:
" Ryan, I love the review.  Keep doing what you're doing.  The outrage here is ridiculous and nonsense. "
I wouldn't call it an outrage
 
Ryan is entitled to his oppinion and we are entitled to ours. I think everyone understands that. Naturally the people who disagree with Ryans review want to express their own oppinion.
Posted by ThePantheon

Sooo ironic that GB's biggest complaint is with the controls being too unfriendly for a console considering Tim Schafer's pre-release saga over why the PC market isn't getting its hands on Brutal Legend.

Posted by Bruce

Awesome! 
 
Not every game that Tim Schaffer does is great; hell, half of them weren't even good games.

Posted by Nictel
@atomic_dumpling said:

" "Like most teenage metal heads, this game has got issues" - way to alienate your audience. "

I don't think teenage metal heads are part of GB's audiance. In fact I think it's more targeted towards the 20+ gamers. Seeing as  51% of visitors are in the 18 - 34 range ( http://www.quantcast.com/giantbomb.com/demographics )  this confirms my believes. 
Posted by Castro
@Killjoy: @Killjoy said:
" @Lazyaza said:
" Wow this game really is turning in to a 'reviewers verses gamers' affair. 
I think the difference comes in the point of view. A reviewer has to make the distinction between tolerable and enjoyable gameplay for the masses and there in lies Brutal Legend's failing. The RTS gameplay might not be broken but I've yet to hear anyone say that they are enjoying that part of the game. And given how majority of the multiplayer is based on the RTS format, it really hurts the longevity argument, which in turn leads to lower review scores.  Speaking personally, there have been many games that I thoroughly enjoyed myself but I would never recommend them to a friend because they are broken in some weird way and unless you're already way into it, you won't enjoy the experience. Reviews are for people who are on the edge about a game/product and need a 3rd party advice to make the decision. Almost everyone here complaining about the score are people who already made a decision about the game before reading the review and thus it holds no real value to them.   Ryan's job is not to conform to the popular or your personal opinion but help you make a buying decision about the game. In that regard, I think Giantbomb has always done its job wonderfully and this review is no different. It tells you enough to make an informed decision. "
I haven't made it through all these comments yet, but I have to agree with you wholeheartedly.
 
I have to say that I haven't played the game myself. I've just been watching my roommate play it because he's the one that is employed and he has money and all.
 
The RTS elements have made him curse a lot and slam his controller down. I don't think that he's been enjoying that portion of the game a great deal. Personally, as someone who hasn't played the game, I think it's fucking hilarious. It's pretty much what I expected from the game based on what I've read. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure that Ryan said in his written review that he felt that he was tolerating the gameplay just to see what happened next in the story. I can say that the gameplay is certainly worth tolerating to get to the next part of the story. This is the most hilarious game that I have played I don't know since when.
 
While I'm typing, I should mention that the world is pretty large. Unfortunately, there isn't much to do in it. You can do all of those side missions which aren't too exciting. I remember playing Fallout 3 and being really excited when I came upon Tenpenny Tower or that woman with the Nuka Cola museum. There's none of that here. There's really nothing particularly exciting to get you to go out to explore the environment. That's kind of a knock against an open world game.
 
Soon, I will play the game myself and see whether or not the RTS portions are that bad. I will say that the dialogue and characters are awesome enough that it should be played by everyone. Whether or not you want to purchase it or just add it to your Gamefly queue, that's up to you. 
 
In conclusion, stop being a dick to Ryan. Ryan's awesome.
Posted by Castro
@Bruce said:
" Awesome!  Not every game that Tim Schaffer does is great; hell, half of them weren't even good games. "
Which one wasn't good? Just curious.
Posted by PenguinDust

Interesting review.  I want to play this but I've got a few others that are occupying my time right now and over the next few weeks.  This will probably wind up a rental since I have no interest in playing an RTS online on an console.

Posted by Tortoise

@Terjay
I don't think its necessarily a bad sign if they have to clarify what you need to do to have fun in the game. People assume they know how any given RTS game will work, but if the game has been designed slightly differently, for a more simple experience, people who try and micromanage their way to victory are probably going to get frustrated at not being able to do it. It sounds like you should basically zerg rush the enemy and be on the ground fighting and double teaming rather than flying about trying to role play a General. Of course, if that style of play also doesn't work well or isnt fun then the game has a serious problem.

Posted by Daftasabat

Great video review Ryan. I have to admire Mr T. Shafers efforts in promoting this game, he's been everywhere! And, initially i too was excited about Brutal Legend, being a metal head myself, i felt it was about time we finally had a game that related itself to this genre of music other than pop n (c)rap music. My 1st worry came about when i heard there were RTS elements in the multplayer and then to learn this was also in the single player campaign. not being a lover of RTS games my interest dwindled somewhat. so, here we have it, Brutal Legend a kind of Jack (Black) of all trades, and seemingly master on none. Still looks like a good game if you like all the elements, but for me, i think i'll pass. I look forward to Brutal legend 2 with great interest ;)

Posted by Castro
@Daftasabat:  As someone that feels that this score is completely justified, I seriously think that you need to play this game. If you are a fan of metal, I think you would probably enjoy it a great deal. Seriously, at least give it a rental.
Posted by stinky
@Castro: this issue of people not accepting gaming reviews is widespread i've found. look at almost any other gaming site and you'll see the same childish comments. it's terrible.  
 
glad a few others have spoken up here because i was beginning to wonder if i was the last rational adult left on the internet. 
Posted by Kohe321

Good review Ryan.

Posted by turbomonkey138

Here comes the fanboys

Posted by BeautifulSpaceCowboy

Great video review, Ryan. After watching it, I will mostly wait until I can pick it up on sale because I would still like to support Double Fine and it looks really funny.

Posted by Torben

played the demo ... and after each combat sequence I found the dialog, humor and storytelling to be awsome. I want a point'n'click adventure as a follow up! RTS no thank you.

Posted by giyanks22

Will Rock you hard...lol
Looks okay. im suprised it got 3 stars

Posted by Fei

Im actually curious to see a lot of people who have claimed to play this game, beat it, and dislike it or call it a renter have actually played it. Im clicking on a lot of user's achievement stats page and have played their 360's and have recent online activity as of the 15th. Now they could have PS3 accounts, I know, but Im talking the people who have 5 digit achievement gamerscores, recent activity, and even alignment set to Microsoft.
Posted by Ghostiet

I'll repeat myself: I'm still stoned and I'm still buying this game, as I consider 3/5 on Giant Bomb to be a sign of a game not for everybody's taste or a controversial one, which for me is completely true - 3-stars Mercenaries 2 and Wolverine are completely awesome and badass in my book.

In case of repetitiveness - fuck that, I've played and ENJOYED Sonic Unleashed's Werehog levels mainly constructed of button mashing and I'm in love with Bladestorm which innovates gameplay only by introducing new unit types.

With the length, this is an open-world game. You obviously play games like that in a different way, and I can appreciate the fact that it kinda forces you to play the main story at points, because I loathed Morrowind's effing long and boring introduction and middle-ground. Besides, Oblivion's main quest was short as fuck too, and it received GOTY.

About the RTS, I'm loving it actually. I'm a die-hard fan of Sacrifice and I'm happy that after TEN FUCKING YEARS someone had the idea to bring the idea back in a title that may actually sell.

So, I suspect 5/5 for me. Still, great reviews, both.

Posted by dotsoncs
Currently playing through the game - about 50% completed.  Agree with Ryan that while certain aspects of the gameplay isn't great (RTS = clunky), the world has pulled me through and led to an entirely enjoyable experience.  I had the same feeling when it came to Psychonauts - as a platformer I found the controls clunky and certain areas overly aggravating (*CIRCUS HATE*) but the universe kept me plowing through.  To me, you're buying into Schafer's creativity when you buy his games.  If that's not enough, then you should probably skip this title.

@turbomonkey138 said:
" Here comes the fanboys "
Which type?  Ryan/Giant Bomb fanboys or Schafer/Brutal Legend fanboys?  Seems these replies have their fair share of both.  People shouldn't need Ryan to validate their enjoyment of the game - it just means that he might not be the critic whose opinion you consider when deciding a purchase in the future.  That's the way it works - whether it be games, movies or vacuum cleaners.  If a critic's taste doesn't align with yours then he/she isn't the person you should be listening to when making decisions. 
Posted by killdave

Guess its a rental. Still looks good, just not "great"

Posted by rugripper40

love the adjectives you use ryan but 13 yrs old...lol...they cant even afford a coffee....been playing games for over 40 yrs and i have to say...the game was named right....fkin brutal on the controls....with that said,this game is alot of fun...this is what people forget...games are entertainment and this game entertains no matter  how hard the controls are...after dying and being frustrated its worth it to bang your freakin head  and banging your head to judas priest at 15 true but at 48 im still banging my head....both of them btw...lol...cheers
Posted by Meltbrain

Once again, It's a bummer... but I can't help but feel the issues the game has were things people were worried about. I'll definitely pick it up when it drops a bit.

Posted by rugripper40

too bad these devs are so worried about pirates on the net...what would have acutally work better is a pc game with access to both key/mouse and a controller...thats life in the matrix...lol

Posted by AllanIceman
@MisuseOfLasers said:
"  This is why I love Giant Bomb.  This is a thoughtful, intelligent review that justifies all its points and doesn't treat a score of 3 stars like a stamp of doom, just as a marker of an average game that can certainly be enjoyed by someone more willing to adjust to its mindset.  I'm enjoying the game immensely and I would certainly score it higher myself but I respect Ryan's opinion. "
This. people. This!
Posted by Pantalooney

The game seems like its the perfect rental.

Edited by rugripper40

qiot riot  and brutal legends equal

bang your head...raise the dead....equals fans....lol...that was brillant on tims part

Posted by supermike6
@rugripper40:  Wow, dude, just use one period instead of 3. 
Posted by Blair
@hyperslug said:
" @Blair said:
" Ryan, I love the review.  Keep doing what you're doing.  The outrage here is ridiculous and nonsense. "
I wouldn't call it an outrage  Ryan is entitled to his oppinion and we are entitled to ours. I think everyone understands that. Naturally the people who disagree with Ryans review want to express their own oppinion. "
Are you reading these comments?
 
The number of people complaining about the score is ridiculous.
Posted by scott3428

Great review. You bring up solid points about the game. As someone who never really enjoyed rts games on pc, I was surprised that I didn't mind those mechanics in Brutal Legend. I felt the simplified gameplay and controls worked fairly well compared to other console rts games. The action elements make it more accessible too.  
 
The side missions are weak at best and really only serve to gain more fire tributes, which isn't necessary. Varied gameplay with self-contained side stories would have been great.
 
I'm the type of person who can overlook some standard gameplay if the environment and production values are top-notch. I would recommend Brutal Legend for the unique world and well acted/animated characters alone. 

Posted by Nbhatred

I agree with people saying it probably deserves a four.
Edited by eXists

Unfortunately, as much as I like Heavy Metal the demo was pretty boring and nowadays if controls are not well done I just can't get into a game so i think i'm going to pass for now at least ... 
 
It's probably a 3-3.4 so to me a 3, 4 sounds too much.
Posted by rugripper40
@scott3428:

nicely said man....this game rocks ans you ll get used to the controls 
 
@ supermike6  
 
no more pencils,no more books,no more teachers dirty looks....adds up to 
 
schools out forever....thx alice...lol
   
Posted by PJ
@Castro said:

" @Bruce said:

" Awesome!  Not every game that Tim Schaffer does is great; hell, half of them weren't even good games. "
Which one wasn't good? Just curious. "
Yeah me too. Tim has done(or been involved in) Maniac Mansion 1 and 2, Moneky Island 1 and 2, Full Throttle, Grim Fandango, Psychonauts and Brütal Legend. Name one of those games that wasn't good.
Posted by Gamer_152

I'm surprised this scored as low as 3 stars because from the video review I would have thought Ryan would have given it four. None the less, this game sounds like an awesome experience. Bring on the metal!

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Posted by Hoshnasi

I'd rather anyone that reviews games round their score down than round it up.  I think this is a case where a 4 would have been nice to some of your but would have lead to many astray.  People who make up the majority of games now that would not enjoy these game, particularly the end game.

Posted by ryanwho
@PJ said:
" @Castro said:

" @Bruce said:

" Awesome!  Not every game that Tim Schaffer does is great; hell, half of them weren't even good games. "
Which one wasn't good? Just curious. "
Yeah me too. Tim has done(or been involved in) Maniac Mansion 1 and 2, Moneky Island 1 and 2, Full Throttle, Grim Fandango, Psychonauts and Brütal Legend. Name one of those games that wasn't good. "
None of them had stellar game mechanics, and the more game mechanics focused the games get, the less good they tend to be. Obviously this game, being most focused on mechanics, would suffer most. The more Tim strays from the adventure formula the more his games suffer.
Posted by rugripper40

@ ryanwho     
 
the controls arnt as bad as you  think...the comments in this game and the story are worth a play either renting or owning it...its a hell of a goodtime...reviews are for the pennyless anyways...lol
Posted by mrcraggle

Tim Schafer posted some tips DF yesterday saying that if you play the game like an RTS you will lose and that it's better to just keep yourself in the action, only be in flight to scout and travel and to use double team attacks. I guess it seems that because it looks RTS, reviewers have been playing it that way and becoming frustrated in the process but not really a good sign when you make a game where the single player is a lengthy tutorial for the MP then you have to tell people how to correctly play it.

Posted by sammpoo

People who REALLY like Heavy Metal will just find this game.... well gay...
 
I mean Jack Black?! lol

Edited by rugripper40

@ sammpoo     
 
lol at your comment.....nice name btw...lmfao 
 
also i hear that alot from my 12 yr old child...calling everything gay must be in for that age group...did i guess your age?...do i win a prize...lol
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