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Design Chat: 11/15/12

Dave puts on his magically Sweater of Wonder and looks to the future of Giant Bomb.

Nov. 15 2012

Posted by: Vinny

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What an interesting and serendipitous video to watch after the 2018 Giantbomb site re-design! Haha.

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Shout-out to the This Day in Giant Bomb History feature implemented by the 2018 site redesign resurfacing this video talking about the then upcoming 2013 site redesign. Giant Bomb was a crazy place around the CBSi purchase.

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@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@gamerpigeon said:

@Bourbon_Warrior: If it stop the podcast from being split or totally messed with then yeah shove a couple of ads in, Hell they used to play a 30 seconds break music. An ad there would not have bothered me. Maybe 1 min of ads every hour of the podcast. I wouldn't mind at all. When you download a podcast you can just skip the ads anyway. But if they were tech/gaming related then sure just do it. Ads pay for the cool stuff, that's just the way things are. As long as Ads are connected to the thing in question then i don't ever see a problem with a few ads.

I'd take ads over every video and bombcast if it meant I didn't have to pay for sub content, which im getting close to unsubscribing again no sub videos for a while.

There has been a pretty big lul in Sub content lately, but I still prefer the idea that they are in league with us for their profits rather than skeezy marketers.

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@gamerpigeon said:

@Bourbon_Warrior: If it stop the podcast from being split or totally messed with then yeah shove a couple of ads in, Hell they used to play a 30 seconds break music. An ad there would not have bothered me. Maybe 1 min of ads every hour of the podcast. I wouldn't mind at all. When you download a podcast you can just skip the ads anyway. But if they were tech/gaming related then sure just do it. Ads pay for the cool stuff, that's just the way things are. As long as Ads are connected to the thing in question then i don't ever see a problem with a few ads.

I'd take ads over every video and bombcast if it meant I didn't have to pay for sub content, which im getting close to unsubscribing again no sub videos for a while.

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@Bourbon_Warrior: If it stop the podcast from being split or totally messed with then yeah shove a couple of ads in, Hell they used to play a 30 seconds break music. An ad there would not have bothered me. Maybe 1 min of ads every hour of the podcast. I wouldn't mind at all. When you download a podcast you can just skip the ads anyway. But if they were tech/gaming related then sure just do it. Ads pay for the cool stuff, that's just the way things are. As long as Ads are connected to the thing in question then i don't ever see a problem with a few ads.

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I'll be ready with the Palm Treo pages on the "Tested" wiki :p

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freakybananaswallowers.biz works. This site's community are some soldiers, man.

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@Hugh_Jazz said:

Holy crap with the frames per second. This video is all manner of smooth.

So I'm not crazy when I saw that it looked like 60 fps video.

EDIT: Also, I think Jeff is on to something with splitting the bombcast in two with the first half being free and the 2nd better half for playing members. It will be the half where the crew gets real.

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I hope they dont officially release the new site until the achievements function is available.

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We need another segment: Grassroots Radio!

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Just a month or two more and the wait will be over.

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A question I have is will you implement a auto play feature for the endurance runs and other multi part features. I tried getting into DP endurance run but the auto button would always take me to random videos.

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If any of the 300,000 listeners complain about a ad that helps pay for a podcast that they have probably already heard over hundreds of hours of, they are entitled douchebags.

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achievement lists, bombcast, BS-free videos - my 3 top reasons for coming here. Don't fuck it up.

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Dave's "Who's cooler?" poll is faulty.

Drew wasn't an option.

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@Thor_Molecules said:

@ptys said:

You guys should hire a cartoon artist again for your reviews and posts, think it works well although the current ones are pretty limited, need like 10 avatar pics per person.

There's that one duder in the forums (sorry forgot his username) who redid all the GB staff members as Persona 4 characters and they are absolutely amazing.

Get that guy on the phone.

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Yeah that is really good! I'd almost indulge the idea a Persona 4 theme for the site? If they can't pay him, the publicity would be well worth it for an upcoming artist.

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@Qlanth said:

I called in for this and when Vinny said my name I had a fuckin' panic attack and then sounded like a weirdo for the whole call :(

Dude the same exactly thing happened to me. My call is at like 55 minutes or so, I'm the guy suggesting the feature where they workshop how reviews are done. I was so nervous and I knew it was coming through in my voice but I just tried to hold it together and relax. I don't know why it happened since its not something that happens to me in everyday life. It was so strange. It's like after years of listening to these guys talk in my earholes about videogames, they finally are talking AT me and I flip out. I suppose the same thing happened to you.

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@alpha_rudy@hotmail.com said:

@Thor_Molecules: Does anyone have this image in wallpaper size?

I second this, that image is incredible!

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@Thor_Molecules: Does anyone have this image in wallpaper size?

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I would be totally fine with the bombcast having advertising. Better than say... splitting it into 2 parts.

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I want to repeat the request for My Brother My Brother And Me MONEYZONE-style ads in the Bombcast.

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@NekuCTR said:

I'll be the first to say it. Please don't monetize the Bombcast if at all possible.

The problem is, the Bombcast is one of the more heavily produced things on the site. I wouldn't fault them at all if they found sponsors to mention on it.

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@ptys said:

You guys should hire a cartoon artist again for your reviews and posts, think it works well although the current ones are pretty limited, need like 10 avatar pics per person.

There's that one duder in the forums (sorry forgot his username) who redid all the GB staff members as Persona 4 characters and they are absolutely amazing.

Get that guy on the phone.

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You guys should hire a cartoon artist again for your reviews and posts, think it works well although the current ones are pretty limited, need like 10 avatar pics per person.

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Jeff should just plug the big red phone at his house and let ppl call him. I can just imagine the phone flickering in his room at 4am when he's called by a european dude trying to ask if a game has "ze multiplayer".

I'm just joking around I don't want him to do that but the big red phone needs to come back and be good to listen to.

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@snide: If the Bombcast is going to have ads and/or sponsorships, I'd be fine with that. Most of the podcasts I listen to regularely have those. But one thing that bums me out is that the deals they advertise on there (like a free audiobook from Audible or "click on the Amazon banner and shop as normally to support us") aren't good over here in Europe - which actually hinders my support of said podcasts.

I can imagine they would be hard to find, but would you go out of your way to hook up with partners who give me, living in Germany, the opportunity to support you? As I said, I'm fine with ads already. But some added value would actually make me appreciate them.

Thanks! <3

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Dude what! The resume feature will be LIFE CHANGING

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If I could put GNTNT into the coupon box at Thinkgeek or Snorg or <company outlet> and get £10 off a £30 purchase, I would.

If you had an Amazon link I could purchase my games through and GB got a little slice of that, or CV for my graphic novels, I would.

If you let me know these things for about 30-40 seconds at the head of the Bombcast, or even before, News Of The World as Ryan tell me I can do that, I wouldn't mind. Just don't forget your internationals.

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@snide: I know this might be replacing one problem with another, but would moving to a video podcast format remedy some of these issues? Video is obviously a lot easier to track, and now is somewhat viable as a monetized format. I'm not necessarily saying that the Bombcast should have a live video feed attached to it, but I don't know. I'm just spitballin' ideas here.

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@snide:

You should send an email or something explaining your sick idea of letting Premium users fuck around with the website, Just so they are aware or something,

Or have it as like a front page "HEY, THIS IS A THING YOU CAN DO!"

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About the only thing I don't like about the new site design is how small the Giant Bomb symbol is.

Loved the Hot New Jam Big Red Phone talk. Classic.

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@snide: If you're interested, the Rooster Teeth podcast has advertising now, which seems to be working fine. Maybe give it a listen.

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I blame iOS 6. The previous podcast apps I had been using went nuts, and I had to switch between 4 or 5 different apps to find one that actually worked, which probably lead to lots of re-downloading the same podcasts over and over.

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@snide: Well go across the street and ask Twit Dave they have top tear sponsors/advisers for there audio podcast and they get paid for downloads.

Seriously I think Leo and the crew would help you out no problem!

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Ha. I'll jump in here. You guy's are over-thinking it. All we're saying is the bombcast is getting expensive to host. It's Jeff and I personally that push for the company to monetize it, not because we need the money, but because it legitimizes the podcast as an important part of our editorial strategy. It means, hey, this thing is for real.

Podcasts just aren't thought of very highly by perspective ad buyers. I've never really figured it out, but I'm pretty certain it's because almost every other form of Internet advertising can have some form of tracking on it. While it's easy for me to say, hey, the Bombcast is listened to by 300,000 people, it's very hard for us to get an advertiser to believe that many people actually listen to it, because there's no form of ad technology out there that can tell me you've listened to an ad. In that way, it's closer to TV or radio advertising, which while totally viable in those markets, is just not the way the industry at large is moving, which likes to have oodles of info about the effectiveness of the ad. I just can't provide that reliably to them.

Someone buying a podcast ad these days (excluding Audible, which is selling to it's own market) is taking a decent risk. They're throwing their money into a hole and hoping it pays off somehow, maybe?

It's a shame, because very obviously targeting the 300,000 or so Bombcast listeners is targeting probably one of the more influential collection of gamers in the world. I know that, you know that, but it's just not something that's easy to prove.

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Can you get banned during the beta testing? If not, I am going to go completely ape shit on the beta site

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@iodizedjoe said:

@leebmx said:

@development said:

@Bishna said:

Please monetize the Bombcast. Even if its just a "The Bombcast is brought to you by" at the beginning. I trust you guys to do what is best for the users and I want you guys to grow. You have proven to me that you can add new people (Patrick) and make the site even better. I won't be satisfied until Giant Bomb is the biggest and best games site on the net. If monetizing the Bombcast is the way to do it, I trust you guys to make it work.

That would be great. So many people do it and nobody really cares. Like Joe Rogan's podcast. He talks about a product kinda like he hates it and hates having to do it; basically he makes it funny; and then after that you have two hours of what you came for. Nobody watches TV anymore and has to deal with those commercials; everybody has Adblock; what's one single advertisement going to do to hurt anybody? "Brought to you by GamerGlovz, because you need that extra power when you game!" "That hurt to say." "Yeah, it was great." ...and then it's over with.

Because once the crew start having to advertise themselves it is a
slippery slope to what happened previously at Gamespot. What happens if they
have to promote some head-tracking stuff or a game and then they try and it is
shit. Are they going to be able to say this on the Bombcast?

I
really trust their integrity but if they have to personally endorse products
then they have lost it completely. It is slightly different if it is ready
prepared ads, but once anyone personally endorses products they don't believe
in their opinions don't matter and their integrity is gone.

I have
heard Jeff speak against this sort of stuff too many times to believe that they
would ever personally endorse products in anyway. The best way to advertise on the Bombcast would be at the begining and the end, and for subscribers to get it ad-free.

What I love about this site is that it is almost the only gaming site on the internet where you know for sure that the editorial staff are saying what they really think and not censoring their views to get ad dollars, pageviews or access to games. If it ever changed it would be a sad day.

What this video talked about is not sponsorship or endorsement. This is not these guys want to talk up shit for money. This is not they want to change. This is not these guys begging for money. This is not a Kickstarter.

Dudes need simple ad revenue. The question is how they want to implement it.

Yeah I was more replying the comment above who seemed to be saying that the crew should shill stuff personally at the start of the Bombcast. I doubt they would ever do this as it would go against everything Jeff especially has said before. As I mentioned, I would rather they didn't advertise on the Bombcast, but if they do it should be ad-free for subbers and presented in a format which doesn't break up the show for everyone else.

EDIT: The problem with advertising on the Bombcast is that it seems more personally linked to the guys than generally advertising on the site. What if Game X advertises on the 'cast and then it comes out and they all hate it. How is that situation going to play?

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@leebmx said:

@development said:

@Bishna said:

Please monetize the Bombcast. Even if its just a "The Bombcast is brought to you by" at the beginning. I trust you guys to do what is best for the users and I want you guys to grow. You have proven to me that you can add new people (Patrick) and make the site even better. I won't be satisfied until Giant Bomb is the biggest and best games site on the net. If monetizing the Bombcast is the way to do it, I trust you guys to make it work.

That would be great. So many people do it and nobody really cares. Like Joe Rogan's podcast. He talks about a product kinda like he hates it and hates having to do it; basically he makes it funny; and then after that you have two hours of what you came for. Nobody watches TV anymore and has to deal with those commercials; everybody has Adblock; what's one single advertisement going to do to hurt anybody? "Brought to you by GamerGlovz, because you need that extra power when you game!" "That hurt to say." "Yeah, it was great." ...and then it's over with.

Because once the crew start having to advertise themselves it is a
slippery slope to what happened previously at Gamespot. What happens if they
have to promote some head-tracking stuff or a game and then they try and it is
shit. Are they going to be able to say this on the Bombcast?

I
really trust their integrity but if they have to personally endorse products
then they have lost it completely. It is slightly different if it is ready
prepared ads, but once anyone personally endorses products they don't believe
in their opinions don't matter and their integrity is gone.

I have
heard Jeff speak against this sort of stuff too many times to believe that they
would ever personally endorse products in anyway. The best way to advertise on the Bombcast would be at the begining and the end, and for subscribers to get it ad-free.

What I love about this site is that it is almost the only gaming site on the internet where you know for sure that the editorial staff are saying what they really think and not censoring their views to get ad dollars, pageviews or access to games. If it ever changed it would be a sad day.

What this video talked about is not sponsorship or endorsement. This is not these guys want to talk up shit for money. This is not they want to change. This is not these guys begging for money. This is not a Kickstarter.

Dudes need simple ad revenue. The question is how they want to implement it.

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@development said:

@Bishna said:

Please monetize the Bombcast. Even if its just a "The Bombcast is brought to you by" at the beginning. I trust you guys to do what is best for the users and I want you guys to grow. You have proven to me that you can add new people (Patrick) and make the site even better. I won't be satisfied until Giant Bomb is the biggest and best games site on the net. If monetizing the Bombcast is the way to do it, I trust you guys to make it work.

That would be great. So many people do it and nobody really cares. Like Joe Rogan's podcast. He talks about a product kinda like he hates it and hates having to do it; basically he makes it funny; and then after that you have two hours of what you came for. Nobody watches TV anymore and has to deal with those commercials; everybody has Adblock; what's one single advertisement going to do to hurt anybody? "Brought to you by GamerGlovz, because you need that extra power when you game!" "That hurt to say." "Yeah, it was great." ...and then it's over with.

Because once the crew start having to advertise themselves it is a slippery slope to what happened previously at Gamespot. What happens if they have to promote some head-tracking stuff or a game and then they try and it is shit. Are they going to be able to say this on the Bombcast?

I really trust their integrity but if they have to personally endorse products then they have lost it completely. It is slightly different if it is ready prepared ads, but once anyone personally endorses products they don't believe in their opinions don't matter and their integrity is gone.

I have heard Jeff speak against this sort of stuff too many times to believe that they would ever personally endorse products in anyway. The best way to advertise on the Bombcast would be at the begining and the end, and for subscribers to get it ad-free.

What I love about this site is that it is almost the only gaming site on the internet where you know for sure that the editorial staff are saying what they really think and not censoring their views to get ad dollars, pageviews or access to games. If it ever changed it would be a sad day.

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@Nighthawk871 said:

freakybananaswallowers.biz totally redirects to giantbomb. Well done.

I knew I wouldn't be the only one to try it.

That's pretty fucking hilarious.

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The way to do ads without turning people off: bookend them. First and last thing.

Advertisers will love it because hey they're getting us twice.

We will love it because hey easy to skip them.

The only way to ruin ads is the way television WHICH ALL YOU GUYS HATE AND WE DO TOO did with commercial breaks.

The day there's dedicated commercial breaks around segments is the day Bombcasts stop being fun.

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Shouldn't it be 'magical Sweater of Wonder', by the way?

Interesting stuff, regardless.

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Site is looking great!

Can't wait to get to mess around with it.

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Wow haha. This is fucking awesome.

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@2HeadedNinja said:

@Deathpooky said:

I'm completely fine with ads in the Bombcast. It takes them tons of fucking time to do, it's one of the best things they put out, and they make nothing off it. In fact you can grab it from iTunes and avoid the site entirely now, which they've said a lot of people do.

Commit to a 3+ hour Bombcast, toss in an ad break every hour. More than reasonable. No different than any other high quality radio or video broadcast, and probably less obtrusive than most. Have to make money somehow.

agreed

Yep, completely agree. You deserve to make money off of such an awesome, in demand thing.

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If the guys want to put some ads in the bombcast, I'm all for it. They make a little bit more money and I press the skip forwards 30 seconds button on my podcast app.

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I wouldn't mind a few seconds of advertising on the bombcast either. Do it if it makes you money.

As far as the new site and its features go: it all sounds pretty fucking rad. I'm not sad at all about not having quests anymore (let's be honest: the feature got old quickly) but I do hope achievements will return some day.

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can't wait until "they bleed alexis" comes out!

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Edited By dvdwalker8

Awesome to hear about the resume feature for videos. I like to watch everything GB puts out but often they are long and I don't have the time to get through it all. Be great to be able to come back to it without writing down where I left off and then buffering it to catch up to where I was.