Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi Has Rectangular Pecs

@msavo said:

I was going to get excited but than I saw the Tenkaichi name. MAKE A NEW PROPER BUDOKAI!!! I still play Budokai 3 to this day because it's awesome. Even young Ryan agrees:

Man, Ryan just looks wasted!

I watched two fights and based on what I've seen, it's just Tenkaichi 3(Or whichever flavor you prefer) with some silly gameplay additions. Like the past two or three DBZ titles, I'll pass.

Please stop buying these, guys. My awesome Shonen-filled childhood takes another hit with each half-assed release.

@RE_Player92: lawl at young ryan. Very monotone and proper. He's come a long way :)

Also, I felt the same way about Budokai 3. I really don't like this tenkaichi business. Plus, Burst Limit didn't have the same depth with storytelling. I would kill for a new budokai that kept the story stuff in there.

Wow, youn Ryan. I remember watching that review and thinking, "this guy actually knows DBZ."

Where the F*** is Burst Limit 2?!! Burst Limit was actually a good game unlike these god dam awfull tenkaichi games

Have they changed anything since Tenkaichi 3? Not that I have more than an academic interest in this, since every game with "tenkaichi" in the name has been absolute shit. "Oh we have 150 characters in more or less the same game we made 3 years ago, which in and of itself was shit to begin with".

They should've just stopped at Budokai 3. You know, to avoid raping my childhood.

That was some sick guitar shredding.

Did anyone else notice that mean ass guitar solo in the background?

@TheLeamenator said:

Weird... This doesn't look terrible! Looks like it has the potential to be the best Dragon Ball Z game since Budokai 3. I can only hope.

They didn't show any footage of the game being played- how did you think this looked good?

DBZ is one of only Anime that I preferred Dubbed, but I do like Japanese Frieza.

DAMN IT! so many spoilers now DBZ is ruined for me arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I've never liked the Tenkaichi games, Raging Blast was way too much like them for me to get into it, and while Burst Limit was serviceable, it was still lacking something the original Budokai games had.

Call me backwards, but the DBZ game I probably spent the most time with was Shin Budokai 2 on the PSP. Just about everybody I worked with overnight owned a copy, and the PSPs would come out during our lunch break. I'd really like it if they'd make a proper sequel to that -- it's deeper than I think most people give it credit for.

What they need to do for the consoles is get Toriyama to pen a new story that's designed to work well with the game, add some fresh faces to the cast, and allow you to use a character creator for the main protagonist. Keep all the major players around for cameos and the versus modes, but seriously, we don't need to play through the same stories with every iteration. The game might end up being complete garbage, but at least they'd have tried to do something different for once.

Eehhh I dno how many more times I can play the same DBZ scenarios over and over. lol. Cool graphics tho... =_=

I still don't get how people can get excited about a fighting game that is all about characters that just get many times stronger than each other, so its never a real fight. Also, this was dumb in the show, but I still watched. I appreciate the redone animated cutscenes.

What was the point of Tien and Yamcha even being there. I have never seen more useless characters. Yes, they were powerful in DB, relatively, but even then, as characters they sucked.

@TheLeamenator said:

Weird... This doesn't look terrible! Looks like it has the potential to be the best Dragon Ball Z game since Budokai 3. I can only hope.

They didn't show any footage of the game being played- how did you think this looked good?

@LiquidPrince said:

@Bubbameister33 said:

@LiquidPrince: That's what Dragon Ball Z Kai is for.

I knew someone was gonna say this... I said reanimate. Kai is just a remastered Z that was edited down. It still looks like an anime from the mid 90's for the most part. I want a complete reanimation.

I have to agree there. The quality of animation that they use in the KAI intros are exactly what I want my 2011 DBZ to look like.

But realisticly, that must be an expensive undertaking and then they will wonder "Is it worth it?"

@I_smell: Oh my god. People that share my opinion. I was starting to think i was the only one seeing how many people continue buying the crap games and is just making it worse. Whatever happened to the good old Budokai games. I still play 3 a lot. And Burst Limit was cool, why no Burst Limit 2? sigh. Someone need to complain to them about this or something.

@Bubbameister33 said:

@LiquidPrince: That's what Dragon Ball Z Kai is for.

I knew someone was gonna say this... I said reanimate. Kai is just a remastered Z that was edited down. It still looks like an anime from the mid 90's for the most part. I want a complete reanimation.

Why the keep making DB games???

@RE_Player92 said:

I was going to get excited but than I saw the Tenkaichi name. MAKE A NEW PROPER BUDOKAI!!! I still play Budokai 3 to this day because it's awesome. Even young Ryan agrees:

Is it just me or did everyone from the GB crew not sound as happy as they are now?

@illmatic19 said:

Did they reanimated scenes just for this game?

Looks that way, because that was never the point of Kai. Maybe that's where they're going with DBZ now. Actually redrawing it for HD. Milk that cow a lil more.

@Vashkey said:

Oh, and amen on Budokai 3 being the best Dragon Ball game!

Oh, and amen on Budokai 3 being the best Dragon Ball game!

It may not take fifteen games for Goku to beat Freeza, but they sure don't mind making more than fifteen games about Goku beating Freeza, that's for sure.

All this makes me think is damn I wish they would just reanimate DBZ all over again in the modern day. Cut the series down to 125 episodes, and just make it beautiful 1080P visuals.

Weird... This doesn't look terrible! Looks like it has the potential to be the best Dragon Ball Z game since Budokai 3. I can only hope.

@LiquidPrince: That's what Dragon Ball Z Kai is for.

All that trailer did was remind me how much I love DBZ. Not gonna be picking this game up though, sorry. Too much going on in October/November.

Did they reanimated scenes just for this game?

The tag is perfect.

Let me tell you about anime that sounds wore in Japanese...

@sfighter21 said:

@RE_Player92 said:

I was going to get excited but than I saw the Tenkaichi name. MAKE A NEW PROPER BUDOKAI!!! I still play Budokai 3 to this day because it's awesome. Even young Ryan agrees:

Lol. Believe it or not, Ryan's review of this game was the scale tipping factor in me buying this game. And I'm so glad I did. Budokai 3, to this day, is the BEST DBZ fighting game I've played.

The Budokai series is SO MUCH BETTER than Budokai Tenkaichi. I got Budokai 2, and I was so dissapointed when I'd traded in my PS2 games to get Tenkaichi- It's nothing like a fighting game, it's slow, all the characters are just re-skins of each other, they took away the capsule-equipping system which I LOVE...

I mean- the whole thing with buying and collecting all the capsules in the game was such a fun aside, and it unlocked new moves, and you could choose which moves you had on each character and unlock crazy nutty stuff like Metal Frieza... I want EVERY fighting game to have that! It made the game worth playing for like twice as long!

The Tenkaichi series is a bag o crap. It's not what fans of the series want (which-- I've grown out of the series obviously) and it's not what fans of fighting games want. They're not good games no matter what angle you come at it from.

I don't know a single thing about Naruto, but those games look pretty badass aswell.

EDIT-- Budokai is a fucking awesome game. Transforming mid-fight feels great, transforming 3 times is badass, stacking up Kamehamehas on your guy to make them more powerful is great, everyone having a unique ultra move is great, whacky stuff like the Senzu Bean is awesome, the weird boardgame thing in Budokai 2 was fun, fusing with people is SUPER cool, and the fact that you can fuse WRONG and BE STUCK LIKE THAT- then the What-If scenario stuff? I'm gonna say it: Budokai 2 is in like my Top 5.

@Kyle: OMG! Young Ryan is freaking me out so much right now...

Im starting to feel really bad for the team that has to re dub all od these

@NoelVeiga said:

That's not true, the 16 bit games were all out in Europe, where Dragon Ball and DBZ were popular since the eighties. I personally had the Mega Drive one, which I bought off the shelf. But if it wasn't known in the US and the games weren't released there I guess his line makes sense.

Will you also find me too harsh if I point out that equating "not in the US" to "not being released outside Japan" shows a bit of a smug ethnocentrism there? I do find it quite funny.

I just assumed that since I've never seen a non-Japanese rom for any 16-bit DBZ game that it was safe to assume.

Although considering you didn't know how DBZ existed in America, I don't see why I'm the bad guy for not knowing about DBZ in Europe. Let's call it even.

To bring this back around to something related to where it started, here's Jeff and Ryan's review of one of the first widely available DBZ game released in America! (I guess Ryan did play those snes games):

Wow, the Japanese voices of all these characters are awful!

@xobballox: I think what we saw first is a definite factor. While I saw a small chunk of Z in English originally, when I watched the show proper (starting from Dragonball) and read the manga, I watched it in Japanese, and I just can't look back. Anywho, if you ever go back and watch Z (or some classic Dragonball to go along with it), give the Japanese version a shot, since you mention you like Japanese voices. His voice might make sense with that context.

And thanks for your input, as well as not taking my comment negatively. :) I've been flamed to hell in the past for my intense dislike of the US dub/music, believe it or not. ;) To each his own!

@Young_Scott said:

@xobballox: Just curious why you hate his original Japanese voice so much? I've noticed that there seems to be a lot of hate for his voice here, and on most US-centric websites I've been on (shockingly not on most Europe sites, where they had the excellent Spanish dub or just left it in Japanese). Is it just because you heard the English voice first at the start of Z on Toonami or Cartoon Network, and can't imagine another voice? I wonder how many people with that opinion have actually seen more than one episode of the Japanese show or even any of Dragonball. Not trying to sound "zomg, you didn't watch the original!" elitist, but I'm genuinely curious. :)

I've heard people mention that he sounds too "young", but that's kind of missing the point. While it's not shown very well in this trailer, Goku's Japanese VA (and Gohan's, and Goten's; they're all the same person) has an impressive range from sounding incredibly child-like to super serious and flips on a whim when needed. This is also in-line with the character; Goku's initial innocence versus his maturity to world-saviour are reflected in the Japanese performances from the first episode of Dragonball when he meets Bulma right up until he's sizing up Cell in Z. In contrast, coming from that, all I hear when I watch the dub is a bunch of guys with heavy American accents shouting and grunting at each other (no offense to fans of that version!).

Anyway, sorry to derail this!

Also, with regards to the music in that trailer, it sounds far more like what you'd hear in a random Funimation dub replacement. I've heard over at daizex.com that we may be also getting the option of some Japanese music more akin to Shunsuke Kikuchi's mix of orchestral/80's rock from the original show, which would be an awesome alternative option.

I think a big part of it is that I originally saw the show as an 8 year old in English, the other part being he just sounds so very feminine in Japanese to me. I usually much prefer Japanese voices in anime to English, as English dubs in animes are usually shitty, with the exception of some great ones like Samurai Champloo.

@xobballox: Just curious why you hate his original Japanese voice so much? I've noticed that there seems to be a lot of hate for his voice here, and on most US-centric websites I've been on (shockingly not on most Europe sites, where they had the excellent Spanish dub or just left it in Japanese). Is it just because you heard the English voice first at the start of Z on Toonami or Cartoon Network, and can't imagine another voice? I wonder how many people with that opinion have actually seen more than one episode of the Japanese show or even any of Dragonball. Not trying to sound "zomg, you didn't watch the original!" elitist, but I'm genuinely curious. :)

I've heard people mention that he sounds too "young", but that's kind of missing the point. While it's not shown very well in this trailer, Goku's Japanese VA (and Gohan's, and Goten's; they're all the same person) has an impressive range from sounding incredibly child-like to super serious and flips on a whim when needed. This is also in-line with the character; Goku's initial innocence versus his maturity to world-saviour are reflected in the Japanese performances from the first episode of Dragonball when he meets Bulma right up until he's sizing up Cell in Z. In contrast, coming from that, all I hear when I watch the dub is a bunch of guys with heavy American accents shouting and grunting at each other (no offense to fans of that version!).

Anyway, sorry to derail this!

Also, with regards to the music in that trailer, it sounds far more like what you'd hear in a random Funimation dub replacement. I've heard over at daizex.com that we may be also getting the option of some Japanese music more akin to Shunsuke Kikuchi's mix of orchestral/80's rock from the original show, which would be an awesome alternative option.

This looks really good although my best experience with Dragon Ball has been Burst Limit that game was not only gorgeous but played really well. Also I have seen this series so many times that seeing those scenes from the episodes in HD is kind of odd.

All this makes me think is damn I wish they would just reanimate DBZ all over again in the modern day. Cut the series down to 125 episodes, and just make it beautiful 1080P visuals.

Women are good at voicing boys, not so much grown-ass men...

@Blatblaterryday said:

Awesome, just saiyan...

lol!

Aww spoiler alert you ruined the suspense of a lot of the games story for me!!!!! You big stupid jerkface heads:(

Fuuuuck I hate Goku's Japanese voice so much.

@Kyle said:

@NoelVeiga said:

@sfighter21 said:

@RE_Player92 said:

I was going to get excited but than I saw the Tenkaichi name. MAKE A NEW PROPER BUDOKAI!!! I still play Budokai 3 to this day because it's awesome. Even young Ryan agrees:

Lol. Believe it or not, Ryan's review of this game was the scale tipping factor in me buying this game. And I'm so glad I did. Budokai 3, to this day, is the BEST DBZ fighting game I've played.

The review has a bunch of factual mistakes, though. For instance, he says it's the first DBZ game to have beam fights, but all the 16 bit era DBZ games had them already.

Also, young Ryan looks like old Ryan's evil twin for some reason.

The beam fight thing was the only "error" I heard, and it seems a little silly to call him on that considering none of those games were released outside Japan. In fact, neither had the show itself at that time, really...

That's not true, the 16 bit games were all out in Europe, where Dragon Ball and DBZ were popular since the eighties. I personally had the Mega Drive one, which I bought off the shelf. But if it wasn't known in the US and the games weren't released there I guess his line makes sense.

Will you also find me too harsh if I point out that equating "not in the US" to "not being released outside Japan" shows a bit of a smug ethnocentrism there? I do find it quite funny.

gokus voice is so funny

I love DBZ but they haven't made a good game since Tenkaichi 3 (some would say since Budokai 3).

While the new anime cutscenes look gorgeous, I can't say the same for the direction they took with the actual game's visuals. Why don't they return to the colorful, solid color style? The current one makes it look low-tech. They also need to vary characters a little bit more in their special abilities. The environments need to get more colorful and less ps2 looking. And the special moves have to get even more ridiculous a la Ninja Storm, it doesn't matter if it doesn't imitate the anime perfectly.

Goddamn it, just let Cyberconnect 2 take over! (if only)

looks ugly, like someone with bad photoshop painting skillz softbrushed some dbz lineart

@Liquidus: Do people still love DBZ?Yes?Then duh they will keep buying this ,pretty dumb question.I personally think it looks good I got upset that it wasn't a 2d fighter but this one promises more adventure style story gameplay which I guess is nice.I just hope they give it the funimation dub and music if I have to listen to those awful japanese voices and annoying music I would throw the disc against the wall.