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Posted by DeviantJoker
@belaraphon said:
why do people fight over whether this game should be fun or not?  why don't we as gamers try and see that hopefully ALL games that come out are fun? why do we try and pick sides, condemning the other half to unhappiness?  i don't know if i will personally play it but i wish this game the best, and for those who want some star wars in their mmo, i hope that it excites them and lets them be happy.  
 
Just kidding, kinda. Welcome to the internet?
Posted by wewantsthering

If only the actual game looked this awesome...

Posted by DeviantJoker
Posted by m0rdr3d

Hey, take all the time you need, but an all-CGI trailer at this point?  That's bad news.  It's like, "Hey guy, look at all this crazy shit Jedi can do....Our game's an MMO and you'll be doing none of that."
Posted by Nhoj_Sllew

damn i wanna be a space cowboy
Posted by TheHBK

They have fucked this game's PR bad.  Putting out only CG and incomplete gameplay videos that show nothing.  And releasing info over a period of 3 years.  Dumb dumb.  People get hyped then get impatient because its not here.  Games keep people's attention, not press releases or trailers that don't have gameplay.

Posted by CL60
@TheHBK said:
They have fucked this game's PR bad.  Putting out only CG and incomplete gameplay videos that show nothing.  And releasing info over a period of 3 years.  Dumb dumb.  People get hyped then get impatient because its not here.  Games keep people's attention, not press releases or trailers that don't have gameplay.
There have been plenty of videos with gameplay. Hell, one just came out yesterday.
Posted by coakroach

Needs more lightsabers.

Posted by Tebbit

That was a hell of a trailer!

Posted by KarateKid

@gamefreak9 said:

I really hope this isn't a hit, its obviously part of the MMO movement wow stirred up and now everyone wants to get a money machine out there... sorry to say but this probably won't be a better game than wow, star wars has alot of lore but not even close to Warcraft. I wish companies would stop trying to get these things running, and keep innovating. I gotta say E3 is VERY disappointing so far, i don't think theres any games i'm looking forward to... maybe dark souls?? I wish the witcher 2 patch would show up already... i hate broken games.

Are you kidding?

Although warcraft has a lot of lore, it's not even close to the amount of lore that has been generated for Star wars. Warcraft has what 10 books and 4 games?

Star Wars' count would be 6 movies, some 100 if not more books and at least 10 games, but probably more. warcrafts lore is just a fraction of what exsists for Star Wars.

Posted by Jadeskye

If they made a 100 minute movie out of this kind of CG quality i'd pay like 50 bucks to see it XD

Posted by simian

Than they just release all the CGI Cinematics into a full length film and be done with it?

Edited by demonbear
@CL60 said:

@PrimeSynergy said:

@Deevster said:
@GozerTC said:
@RE_Player92 said:

I was excited when they announced this game. Years later I couldn't give a fuck.

I'm rapidly joining you on this one.  
I'm putting this in with Diablo 3 in the "3 years of waiting is too fucking long" category. 
I'm with you guys and this is coming from a beta participant and someone who will play damn near any MMO. It has been far too long and the magic has slowly worn off. It's just hard for me to care anymore.
Really people? You would rather a rushed out MMO rather then one that is taking a long time to come out because they are still working on it, simply because you're impatient? 
There is a difference between rushed out and taking your sweet ass time with it. This thing already costs hundreds of millions of dollars in production, more than any game ever done by EA and we are 3 years in this thing with STILL no release date in sight, or open beta date or anything. For fuck sake, they still brag around saying they have whole features unannounced. What the fuck? Do like very goddamn mmo on the planet. Ship it and patch the fuck out of it. 
 
This is by far E311's biggest dissappointment for me. No release date in sight or open beta date either. There is no way in hell this game ships this fiscal year and it totally should.
Posted by 01wilsonj

Why oh Why is this a mmorpg, they could have put out two of these by now if it was just a normal KOTR, sold millions of games, made lots of money and more importanly i would have bought it. I dont even find enough time to play COD online let alone this, sucha shame.

Posted by gamefreak9
@KarateKid said:

@gamefreak9 said:

I really hope this isn't a hit, its obviously part of the MMO movement wow stirred up and now everyone wants to get a money machine out there... sorry to say but this probably won't be a better game than wow, star wars has alot of lore but not even close to Warcraft. I wish companies would stop trying to get these things running, and keep innovating. I gotta say E3 is VERY disappointing so far, i don't think theres any games i'm looking forward to... maybe dark souls?? I wish the witcher 2 patch would show up already... i hate broken games.

Are you kidding?

Although warcraft has a lot of lore, it's not even close to the amount of lore that has been generated for Star wars. Warcraft has what 10 books and 4 games?

Star Wars' count would be 6 movies, some 100 if not more books and at least 10 games, but probably more. warcrafts lore is just a fraction of what exsists for Star Wars.

i don't think your counting in the right way, the movies combined don't even have lore to match half the warcraft 3 lore. i'm talking more events, more adventures, more characters, and a much more integrated story. I don't know what the books of either are about, but strictly speaking the 3 games(+ frozen throne) without wow, have 10 times more lore than the 6 star wars movies, combined. Just to make it clear, i don't play wow, i'm not some fanboy, i just played warcraft series. If we are counting wow, i don't think a thousand books could have more lore than what wow has(though a good bunch of it is shitty). Anw warcraft has like an integrated story of not only where each race comes from, how they evolved and how interact but also alot of backround mythology type stuff about titans and creation of the world. 
Posted by BadOrcLDR

@Nigthguy said:

Not gonna beat WoW

While I wont necessarily disagree with you, I think it is only fair to admit that EQ fans said the same thing about WoW.

Edited by Dry_Carton
@Abyssfull said:

One of the lower points of E3. It's more or less just a montage of the previous CGI trailers they've released.

More or less. You can't spell 100% without 0%, right?
Posted by KarateKid

@gamefreak9:

Ok, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm a bit of both a warcraft and Star Wars nut, and I own all the warcraft books out to date, as well as all the games.

As for Star Wars I've got most of the books, and although a lot of them focus on the core star wars characters, Luke, Leia, Han Solo. They're kids etc. there are a lot of them that focus on totally different characters and parts of the unvierse, fleshing out a lot of backstory for several of the different planets, races and groups that populate the Star Wars universe. They also cover different time periods, just like some of the warcraft books do.

I still believe Star Wars' lore is way more extensive then warcraft's. If you haven't read or looked at a few star wars books I don't think you can really apriciate the wealth of SW lore thats out there. Add all the SW games to that, everything from the 1st person shooters to the KOTOR games which contain tons of lore. Easily on par with the warcraft games except wow imo.

You also have to remember that Star Wars lore has been generated since the first movie came out in in 77, while warcraft has only existed since 94.

Posted by Tricky69

@gamefreak9 said:

@KarateKid said:

@gamefreak9 said:

I really hope this isn't a hit, its obviously part of the MMO movement wow stirred up and now everyone wants to get a money machine out there... sorry to say but this probably won't be a better game than wow, star wars has alot of lore but not even close to Warcraft. I wish companies would stop trying to get these things running, and keep innovating. I gotta say E3 is VERY disappointing so far, i don't think theres any games i'm looking forward to... maybe dark souls?? I wish the witcher 2 patch would show up already... i hate broken games.

Are you kidding?

Although warcraft has a lot of lore, it's not even close to the amount of lore that has been generated for Star wars. Warcraft has what 10 books and 4 games?

Star Wars' count would be 6 movies, some 100 if not more books and at least 10 games, but probably more. warcrafts lore is just a fraction of what exsists for Star Wars.

i don't think your counting in the right way, the movies combined don't even have lore to match half the warcraft 3 lore. i'm talking more events, more adventures, more characters, and a much more integrated story. I don't know what the books of either are about, but strictly speaking the 3 games(+ frozen throne) without wow, have 10 times more lore than the 6 star wars movies, combined. Just to make it clear, i don't play wow, i'm not some fanboy, i just played warcraft series. If we are counting wow, i don't think a thousand books could have more lore than what wow has(though a good bunch of it is shitty). Anw warcraft has like an integrated story of not only where each race comes from, how they evolved and how interact but also alot of backround mythology type stuff about titans and creation of the world.

Ha, ha. WoW has more "lore" than Star Wars. Warcraft was released in 1994 and the first Star Wars movie was 1977. You're actually arguing that a 17 year old franchise has more "lore" than a 34 year old franchise.

Posted by MeatSim

I know MMO combat isn't exciting to watch but you gotta stop showing the same CGI trailers.

Posted by MisterMouse

Well those prerendered cinematics were cool...

Posted by falling_fast

is that Lady Shepard's voice I hear?

Posted by Stubert73

If WoW has taught us anything, it's that MMO gameplay rarely lives up to the kick-ass cinematics. That said, I'll probably try this anyway on the strength of the brand.

Posted by Deathinmusic

KOTOR was awesome but MMO's are not (in my opinion). Not interested in this one.

Posted by amomjc
@PrimeSynergy said:
@CL60 said:
@PrimeSynergy said:
@Deevster said:
@GozerTC said:
@RE_Player92 said:

I was excited when they announced this game. Years later I couldn't give a fuck.

I'm rapidly joining you on this one.  
I'm putting this in with Diablo 3 in the "3 years of waiting is too fucking long" category. 
I'm with you guys and this is coming from a beta participant and someone who will play damn near any MMO. It has been far too long and the magic has slowly worn off. It's just hard for me to care anymore.
Really people? You would rather a rushed out MMO rather then one that is taking a long time to come out because they are still working on it, simply because you're impatient? 
Don't even play that card. Pushing a game back doesn't mean that it's going to be more polished either. Too Human, GT5, FF13, FF14, and a bunch of other games had the hell delayed out of them. They weren't horrible games by any means(well 14 kinda was), but I think anyone could easily make a case none of those games were worth the wait. And judging by how SWTOR is coming along, I personally think it's going to end up on this list too. "Yo dawg, we got a new flashpoint." "...ok. We know they're in there. Ummm, what about a release date?" "CHECK OUT THIS NEW SPACESHIP." "That's nice and all, but how abo-" "BAM. CHECK OUT THIS BRAND NEW CGI TRAILER THAT MISREPRESENTS THE GAME IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE." "That was pretty cool. Can you guys-" "........AND YOU GET A BRAND NEW SPACESHIP." "Ok..."   It has nothing to do with being impatient. At this point, it's more like this game obviously won't live up the hype. We've all seen this trend before with other games and some of us are just sick of it. It's nice you're still excited for it, but some of us are just done. We were on board at first, but this train looks like it's never going to end and we just want off.
You make a decent argument, but like any one else's, your forget it is only one side. Okay, so those games failed, what makes you think this one will? Plenty of games have released and become extremely successful after such a long delay. Look at WoW, that took a god-awful amount of time but finally released and is a smash-hit. The point is you ran out your hype meter because BioWare doesn't know how to cater to that type of emotion. They should have held off with all these stupid trailers and waited until they were ready, only releasing information in tid-bits on their website and major content at E3. 
 
It's sad, I will probably get this for one month and use up the story-line and drop it as soon as any BS multi-player parts pop up. I just cannot see this being more than a story-based campaign with the addition of multi-player pieces that eventually turns into a bland sandbox.
Posted by JonCaius

They're clearly showing CGI trailers because the gameplay looks like WoW circa Burning Crusade, which is only one of several early warning signs. 
 
The fact that the devs have taken to calling it a “story-driven MMO” is also mildly disturbing, especially when you consider that WoW's gradual slide from open-world grinding towards guided narrative has made it a less rewarding experience for many veterans of the game. At the same time, Rift has been praised for uniting solitary players around world events to revitalise the PUG. For a new MMO to wear its story so visibly on its sleeve  – and, furthermore, for it to have skill trees at least partly based on light/dark choices – raises the question of whether bolting the trappings of Bioware's single-player RPGs to a very traditional-looking MMO is a wise idea. There has to be some risk that the freedom of action that usually compensates for the many failings of the traditional MMO will be negated by a restrictive emphasis on binary decision-making.  
 
Many people who play MMOs enjoy rolling around doing their own thing and reveling in the lack of structure. I'm no RPer, but if I had any lingering affection for the Star Wars mythos, I'd be looking for a game that dumped me in the middle of the action and let me start crafting Ewok-fur backpacks. Maybe I'm jaded, but the thought of being forced to participate in yet another epic story arc with no discernible conclusion is an immediate turn-off.
 
If you want evidence that this game may be broken at a deep level, consider the questionable innovation of party members rolling dice to see who gets to talk to an NPC and make decisions that will impact faction rep. While I find the idea of cross-faction grouping and competing for influence quite interesting, I don't know how rewarding it would be to play through what looks like an old-school MMO with some random douche making my decisions for me. If I wanted to do that, I'd raid in WoW.

Posted by Coldbrand

Oh look, another CGI trailer because the game is a shitty wow clone still in beta. Way to kill your hype for yet another year assholes.

Posted by CL60
@Coldbrand said:
Oh look, another CGI trailer because the game is a shitty wow clone still in beta. Way to kill your hype for yet another year assholes.
You realize they had a live demo at E3, a gameplay trailer, and a 40 minute live stream?
Posted by Foxillusion

This trailer was way more exciting than any of the in-game stuff they've shown. XD