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Posted by Zolfe
@sixghost:  they wanted thor to use in a fusion, to create something that would blow jeff and vinny's minds
 
thor himself isn't that great, he's strong, and has the strongest electricity spell in the game, but i didn't find him very fun to use.
 
the personas in the game are also gonna become more and more epic
Posted by King9999

Don't worry about having to climb back up to the top floor if you change teams. 
 
Personally, I want the guys to fight the boss.  They should least assess the situation, and if they die, they'll have a better idea of how to approach the fight.  Also, I'd like the ER to end on a high note for the week. :)
Edited by core1065

This is weird, im playing Persona 3 FES and watching Persona 4............................
Posted by Beomoose

USE YOUR HEALING ITEMS

Posted by Beomoose

I know you're effing tired of this game and all, but skipping floors as fast as possible is going to SCREW your Ateam long term. Alittle less effort now is going to mean banging your head against the wall later.

Posted by unangbangkay

If you like Samsara, you'll LOVE Die For Me!

Posted by cstrang

You guys should pick up a persona that can reflect spells.  It'll make the Heaven boss wwaaayy easier.

Posted by kagekage

Hey, I'm playing Persona 4 right now, and I'm currently at Rise's Dungeon. I can't seem to open his social link and I don't know how.
Any tips or dates? Do I need Understanding or something like that?

Posted by amino
@kagekage: 
 
Which social link you want to start?Do you mean Kanji?Rise?Naoto?Someone else?
Posted by SpunkyHePanda
@kagekage: If you mean Kanji, you need to talk to the girl near the stairs on the second floor of school, then talk to Kanji in the Practice Building.
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Edited by Poki3

Ditch the "B Team". It would be too time and resource (money for equips and Fox's SP recovery) intensive to make them battleworthy.
 
Keep your Hariti. She's a very good healer in case you'll need to heal out of battle or switch her in during battle. Yukiko still doesn't have Mediarahan, so she heals less then 1/2 HP.
You're right that Kikuri-Hime has Divine Grace, and right now you'll still using it, but soon you'll be using Mediarahan exclusively, so it won't be that useful.
 
Unfortunately I foresee that you'll have to pick a floor and keep fighting dudes to level up a bit. Personally here I already had a Trumpeter, and although I think I was overleveled, you're starting to be underleveled.
However, if you did manage to kill this boss, the 1st 2 floors of the next dungeon have really easy mobs, so that would probably be the better place to get some extra exp. But if you can't kill the boss...

Posted by JackiJinx

Dude, I SO want to see the B team in action. It ain't fair to leave Kanji and Teddie in the corner.

Posted by YosukeHanamura
@kagekage said:
" Hey, I'm playing Persona 4 right now, and I'm currently at Rise's Dungeon. I can't seem to open his social link and I don't know how. Any tips or dates? Do I need Understanding or something like that? "
Rise's a g-guy? ... Awwww crap... First Saki-senpai and now this. >_>; No one, and I mean, NO ONE. No one tell Kanji, okay?
Posted by tranquilchaos
@core1065 said:
" This is weird, im playing Persona 3 FES and watching Persona 4............................ "
I'm doing exactly that myself...
Posted by FutonDuke

Hey Jeff or Vinny or whoever reads these comments, you guys need to pull Tam Lin back out, it was the best physical defense guy you had. It was the damage taker you cant leave home without it.
Posted by Zeik

As much as I am a fan of utilizing everyone, at this point, after going so long without doing that, it would just be a big waste of time. You'd have to grind forever for Kanji and Teddie to catch up, and I doubt you'd even really use them. (Maybe Teddie when see he's a much better Ice user than Chie.)
 
I would stop switching out Chie at this point too. Even though she does kind of suck at this point in the game, the longer you avoid using her the longer it will take for her to get her good skills and actually be useful. If you want to use Naoto, either switch out a different character, or stop using Chie and keep her in.

Posted by Turambar
@Zeik: Nah, not forever.  A good 10 fights in Magatsu Inaba brought my Yosuke from lv 25 to 73.  Having inate growth would be nice, but Exp scaling is the next best thing.
Posted by Nizzleworth

I think it's about time to surface this again.  Thinks to @Bureksasutlijom, the original poster.
 
 

Step 1: Avoiding the Bad Ending

After a major plot point the investigation team will all be together and Yosuke will begin a series of questions addressed at the the Main Character. The last word that Yosuke will say to the MC before he starts answering will be "...Leader?" After that you must answer his following questions with the following responses. Mess up once and it's bad ending for you. 

The Responses you should give to get on the True/Good ending path are...

  • First Question: Third Response
  • Second Question: First Response 
  • Third Question: Third Response
  • Fourth Question: Second Response
  • Fifth Question: Third Response
  • Sixth Question: Second Response

Congratulations! You're now on the path to the True/Good Ending!


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Step 2: Securing the Good Ending

A number of days after the above events, the Investigation Team will do what they do best. Investigate! You will run around Inaba Investigating the case when you will initiate another important decision point. You will find the MC with Naoto and Yosuke and you will have 3 chances to make the right decision. It shouldn't be to hard to figure it out, but if you need some help, it's on the third page.

Once you've made the right choice, CONGRATS! You've ensured the Good Ending!


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Step 3: Achieving the True Ending

If you ensured the good ending and you continue through the game it will eventually jump ahead in the calendar. You will then need to go around and find each of your buddies that you maxed your social link with. leave no stone unturned. 

Once you've talked to everyone, the game will prompt you to go home. Say no! 

Now head over to Junes. The game will try to get you home again. Say no once again and get your ass the Junes!!!

Once you've done the. Huzzah! You've Started the True Ending! Have Fun!

SPOLIER FREE Jeff and Vinny!
Do NOT eff up please man!
Posted by monkie89

If Vinny or Jeff is reading this, I'd just like to make a suggestion:
 
I HIGHLY recommend you guys fuse Throne + Jatayu (you could have fused him this episode I believe, he was the bird guy) + White Rider. You'll need to be level 62.
 
Now, the resulting Persona won't be particularly great or anything, but I GUARANTEE your reaction would be worth it (as long as you haven't seen it before, which you might have). The episode could be awesome for that alone.

Posted by JarenFace

I haven't watched today's episode, but I'm just saying. Chie with Power Charge + God Hand is a game breaker. Do it up you guys. Wooooo.    

Edited by Chewii101
@YosukeHanamura: Too late. 
 
Daisoujou looks like something off a cover of an Iron Maiden album. 
Posted by Nizzleworth
@core1065 said:
" This is weird, im playing Persona 3 FES and watching Persona 4............................ "
Hey, me too!
Posted by lightsoda
@Nizzleworth said:
" @core1065 said:
" This is weird, im playing Persona 3 FES and watching Persona 4............................ "
Hey, me too! "
That makes three of us...! ;)
Posted by trimon

The story behind Daisoujou is pretty heavy.  I got it from this wiki: 
http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Daisoujou 
 
"  These were monks who preformed self-mummification by starving themselves for about three years. At the end of these three years, they were entombed alive with just enough room to sit cross-legged. A tube was placed in the ground, leading to the tomb for air. The monk had a bell with him and everyday, someone would listen for the bell to make sure the monk was still alive. When the bell no longer ran, the air tube was removed and the tomb was completely sealed. A thousand days later, the body would be exhumed. If it was preserved, it was revered as a god."

Posted by OkTank

Gotta say, this time is the only time since they fought Yukikos shadow that I'm actually worried  they'll beat the boss. I remember this upcoming boss being nasty as all hell....

Posted by aurorafiore

They're going to bring Yukiko into the next boss fight for healing. 
 
I'm not going to spoil anything of course, just watch out for those ice spells. It's not a difficult boss but it loves to dodge a lot. Good luck... for now.

Posted by BackpackKat
@Nizzleworth said:
" I think it's about time to surface this again.  Thinks to @Bureksasutlijom, the original poster.
 
 

Step 1: Avoiding the Bad Ending

After a major plot point the investigation team will all be together and Yosuke will begin a series of questions addressed at the the Main Character. The last word that Yosuke will say to the MC before he starts answering will be "...Leader?" After that you must answer his following questions with the following responses. Mess up once and it's bad ending for you. 

The Responses you should give to get on the True/Good ending path are...

  • First Question: Third Response
  • Second Question: First Response 
  • Third Question: Third Response
  • Fourth Question: Second Response
  • Fifth Question: Third Response
  • Sixth Question: Second Response

Congratulations! You're now on the path to the True/Good Ending!


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Step 2: Securing the Good Ending

A number of days after the above events, the Investigation Team will do what they do best. Investigate! You will run around Inaba Investigating the case when you will initiate another important decision point. You will find the MC with Naoto and Yosuke and you will have 3 chances to make the right decision. It shouldn't be to hard to figure it out, but if you need some help, it's on the third page.

Once you've made the right choice, CONGRATS! You've ensured the Good Ending!


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Step 3: Achieving the True Ending

If you ensured the good ending and you continue through the game it will eventually jump ahead in the calendar. You will then need to go around and find each of your buddies that you maxed your social link with. leave no stone unturned. 

Once you've talked to everyone, the game will prompt you to go home. Say no! 

Now head over to Junes. The game will try to get you home again. Say no once again and get your ass the Junes!!!

Once you've done the. Huzzah! You've Started the True Ending! Have Fun!

SPOLIER FREE Jeff and Vinny!
Do NOT eff up please man!
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Hope they see this. I want to see the true ending!
Posted by Mistral

Backseat fusion advice: 
-Regenerate is crap. Never focus on passing it down. 
-Invigorate isn't as useful as you think it is, unless you have Charlie do virually ALL of the casting for your party  
-Growth isn't as useful as you think it is until you get Growth 3(persona gains as much xp when inactive as when it's active). I went through a phase of Growth 2 obsession too, but it's really NOT THAT HELPFUL, and it's a pain in the ass to pass down. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to yell at you when you pass up an awesome set of inherited skills just to get Growth 2.
-Don't ignore personas just because they have more than one weakness, especially when one is a regular elemental weakness and the other is light or dark. 
-Stop hemming and hawing about whether to fuse away personas you never use(which is everything but Black Frost, Garuda, Hariti, White Rider, along with Daisoujou for future use. Samsara is that incredible.) and just DO IT 
-Dump Rangda and start using Tam Lin or Daisoujou as your lighting caster. You can always pass on Repel Physical if you really like it, but Rangda's not worth it otherwise. 
-If you see something neat that requires fusing one of the personas you DO use, remember you can always re-summon things later. Similarly, if you go "this persona is cool and we'll resummon it after fusing it", please remember to resummon it(unlike you did with Tam Lin) 
-Black Frost is still okay, but he's nearing the end of his useful lifespan. You'll probably want to fuse him away after this boss is done.
Posted by ArmedDragoon

It's amazing how even though Jeff and Vinny have made it abundantly clear that they haven't been listening to the suggestions regarding party members and other such things, people still do it. 
 
 
 Seriously, knock it off. Their Endurance Run, their decisions. That's how it's been since episode 1 and that's how it will keep on going.

Posted by kerikxi

Unless you do decide to level Kanji and Teddie (which I'm totally on board with), you really need to fuse that Mazionga onto something useful. Charlie's the sole lightning caster, and all you have are single spells.

Posted by ashogo
@OkTank said:
" Gotta say, this time is the only time since they fought Yukikos shadow that I'm actually worried  they'll beat the boss. I remember this upcoming boss being nasty as all hell.... "
That just makes it all the more exciting...I hope it's a seriously intense fight.
Posted by ashogo
@BenderUnit22 said:
" @endaround: I know, but Chie and Naoto are still gonna lag behind by a margin if they keep switching all the time. Especially when they constantly complain that Chie starts to suck - that God's Hand isn't gonna come any faster if she keeps sitting on the side lines. "
Except it totally will. They could always leave Chie out for now then bring her back to fight higher-level enemies later. She'll catch up quickly and become awesome again.
Posted by C2C

Samsara is great for wiping out multiple enemies in one go.  It has a high SP cost, but it totally pays for itself and probably my most used spell.

Posted by MiserableGerm

Sadly enough Heaven boss is 4x weak to the element he casts. That's something to remember.

Posted by safelybeds
@ashogo said:
" @OkTank said:
" Gotta say, this time is the only time since they fought Yukikos shadow that I'm actually worried  they'll beat the boss. I remember this upcoming boss being nasty as all hell.... "
That just makes it all the more exciting...I hope it's a seriously intense fight. "

I know! What happened to the love of fun, guys? It's way more exciting to see them come within an inch of defeat and pull through rather than just obliterating it. 
 
The only Persona guide site I trust states that the level you should be at is between 61-64 for this fight. Yeah, they're on the lower side of that, but they're still up there. They've done more with less!
Posted by anamanaman

Jeff, Vinny, don't puss out on us now! Fight the boss! 
 
The fact that you guys haven't died in a while means you're way overleveled. Come on, there are save points everywhere. Why grind in order to have a cakewalk when the challenging battles are supposed to be the fun part? Who would want to watch the Detroit Lions play the Colts anyways?   
  
So grow some balls and fight some bosses already! 

Posted by ricetopher

Just did some youtube research, and watched some guy beat the boss with a lvl 61 party (on cpu control too) using tactics that make J&V look like Persona masters...they should be fine as they are now.

Posted by ch3burashka
@trimon:  Dude, that shit's weird.
 
Come on guys! I was hoping for a boss battle today, not some wussy fusing. Speaking of, they really need to lay down some ground rules for Persona 5 on fusing, because that shit's confusing as all get-out.
Posted by evilpaul
@JohnAsscream:
It's virtually impossible to get the True Ending on the first run through the game. I'm not sure that it's 100% impossible, but you'd need to be reading a FAQ while you were playing if it can be done. I'm trying to get it on my second run through P4 (the Endurance Run inspired me to pick it up).  
 
@ monkie89: 
They've seen White Rider already. Last episode I believe.

@Vinny & Jeff, 
ARGH!!!!!! You guys dumped Makarararn (however it's spelled) literally right before a fight where it would have been ZOMG FREAKING AWESOME.
Edited by Ping5000

HEY GUYS I HAVE A LONG-WINDED SUGGESTION TOO HERE IT GOE

Posted by gakon

During this encounter, will Rise tell them how the boss has changed automatically, or do they need Rank 10 for that?

Posted by Zeik

 @Turambar:  Well that's the last level of the game where you can get the most exp possible in the game, so of course you're going to level up fast. Though I have a hard time believing it only took 10 fights to get that high a level. At one point I had Chie in my party 10 levels lower than the rest of my characters and I brought her into the most recent dungeon, and it took her like 3 or 4 fights to even gain 1 level. A 50 level gap may get you a bunch of levels at first, but by level 60 or so those level gains would definitely start tapering off.
 
@evilpaul: It's definitely not impossible, the hardest part is really just getting past the first bad ending. Once you figure out the correct responses the rest is pretty simple.

Posted by amino
@gakon5: 
 
Do you mean when that boss uses "Quad converge"?Rise will tell you whether her SL is max or not.
Posted by monkie89
@evilpaul said:
" @JohnAsscream: It's virtually impossible to get the True Ending on the first run through the game. I'm not sure that it's 100% impossible, but you'd need to be reading a FAQ while you were playing if it can be done. I'm trying to get it on my second run through P4 (the Endurance Run inspired me to pick it up).   @ monkie89: They've seen White Rider already. Last episode I believe.@Vinny & Jeff, ARGH!!!!!! You guys dumped Makarararn (however it's spelled) literally right before a fight where it would have been ZOMG FREAKING AWESOME. "
I know that. I was suggesting they fuse those 3 personas together in order to get Mara.
 
There's no way to spoiler text on this site is there?
Posted by gakon
@amino said:
" @gakon5:   Do you mean when that boss uses "Quad converge"?Rise will tell you whether her SL is max or not. "
Sure do.  And lucky them; they should be able to figure out how Quad Coverage works faster.
Posted by EmperorSeth

Aww, now there's a number on the image.

Posted by DRE7777
@JohnAsscream said:
" @Nizzleworth said:
" I think it's about time to surface this again.  Thinks to @Bureksasutlijom, the original poster.
 
 

Step 1: Avoiding the Bad Ending

After a major plot point the investigation team will all be together and Yosuke will begin a series of questions addressed at the the Main Character. The last word that Yosuke will say to the MC before he starts answering will be "...Leader?" After that you must answer his following questions with the following responses. Mess up once and it's bad ending for you. 

The Responses you should give to get on the True/Good ending path are...

  • First Question: Third Response
  • Second Question: First Response 
  • Third Question: Third Response
  • Fourth Question: Second Response
  • Fifth Question: Third Response
  • Sixth Question: Second Response

Congratulations! You're now on the path to the True/Good Ending!


0

Step 2: Securing the Good Ending

A number of days after the above events, the Investigation Team will do what they do best. Investigate! You will run around Inaba Investigating the case when you will initiate another important decision point. You will find the MC with Naoto and Yosuke and you will have 3 chances to make the right decision. It shouldn't be to hard to figure it out, but if you need some help, it's on the third page.

Once you've made the right choice, CONGRATS! You've ensured the Good Ending!


0

Step 3: Achieving the True Ending

If you ensured the good ending and you continue through the game it will eventually jump ahead in the calendar. You will then need to go around and find each of your buddies that you maxed your social link with. leave no stone unturned. 

Once you've talked to everyone, the game will prompt you to go home. Say no! 

Now head over to Junes. The game will try to get you home again. Say no once again and get your ass the Junes!!!

Once you've done the. Huzzah! You've Started the True Ending! Have Fun!

SPOLIER FREE Jeff and Vinny!
Do NOT eff up please man!
"
Hope they see this. I want to see the true ending! "

THEY REAAAAALLLLLLYYYYYYY NEED TO SEE THIS 
 
If all of us spent this much time watching them and they get anything less than the good ending...................lets just try not to think about it.
Posted by coffeesash

The spell you got rid of, Makarakarn, I used that in the next boss fight and all boss fights to reflect their spells to save myself and do a lot of damage to them soooo much! xD I think you need to draw that again :)

Posted by Spacetrucking

Its always funny watching the endurance run and then reading some of the comments later about Vinny/Jeff's decisions. You can bet good money that someone somewhere always goes "OMG! What did you just do?!!" whenever they decide to get rid of a spell.

Posted by SpunkyHePanda
@DRE7777: If they get anything less than the good ending... they will reload their save and try again. Not exactly a disaster.
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