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Posted by Turambar
@Wiseblood said:
" I'm curious, when confused Charlie did that waste money thing, do they actually lose that money? "
Yes they do.
Posted by ez123

Why is this up before the Re-Reunion Tour? :(

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Posted by CitizenKane
@Donkeysraliens said:
He's Bufu'ing angels now....sniff...
I was just going to do something like this, but I had to figure out what episode he first appeared in.
 
Big kudos to you, sir.
Posted by endaround

Yes they missed a lot (not using Belial and instead using Mother Harlot was bad) but hey they figured it out. 
 
Now do not face Adachi until 12/22.  Level up some Slinks.

Posted by CitizenKane

Power Charge + Tarukaja + God's Hand =  Holy Jesus WTF

Edited by FluxWaveZ
@Rain_1 said:

" So you're saying the missed 3-4 turns? That doesn't count as a mistake to me, that counts as playing like a normal person. "

When you missed an opportunity to do something better in that case, it's kind of a mistake.  Especially when that turn can determine the outcome of the battle.  But it's not as if you can do perfectly all the time, it's still a mistake though.
 
 @atomic_dumpling said:

" @Rain_1 said:

" So you're saying the missed 3-4 turns? That doesn't count as a mistake to me, that counts as playing like a normal person. "
No no no, you are doing it wrong. You are supposed to say: "Wow FluxWaveZ, you sure know a lot about this game, while Jeff and Vinny are just morons! I envy you! You are perfect!", smile cheerfully and put a tazer to his nads, all the while humming the Junes song. "
Because that's exactly why I posted that.  To seem like a Persona 4 God.  Man, some of you have such a one-track mind it's ridiculous.  Maybe you should re-read what I posted, because analyzing what they did does not mean I am so perfect at the game and everyone not doing everything perfect is horrible compared to me.  But maybe that's too much for you to mentally handle.
Posted by Turambar
@King9999 said:
" @SilenceUK: Tarukaja and Power Charge do stack, so it's worthwhile to use both. "
It is, but only when someone else can cast that Tarukaja.  The buff only lasts 3 turns so you end up with too much down time in between god hands for my taste if Chie is casting both that and Powercharge.
Posted by FluxWaveZ
@CitizenKane said:
" Power Charge + Tarukaja + God's Hand =  Holy Jesus WTF "
lol, yeah.  It really sucks that it got countered back at them, though.  It would have done some massive damage...
Posted by spazmaster666

Hmm, I'm surprised they didn't notice that Siegfried nulled physicals. In any case, next boss fight should be interesting. Hopefully it won't take them as long as episode 68.

Posted by CitizenKane
@JeffGoldblum said:
" @CitizenKane said:
" @DiGiTaL_SiN: Good job, you can read Google searches.  "
Get your smiley face out of my Giantbomb! "
Come and make me, sucka. 
Posted by Sniipe

2 questions from someone who's only watched Jeff and Vinny play this game:

  1.  I know that when Charlie wastes money he actually loses it, but when enemies waste money does he gain that money?
  2. If the boss's max HP was 999, how could Chie do a 1,300+ attack and not kill it?
Thanks for the knowledge.
Edited by atomic_dumpling
@FluxWaveZ said:

I DON'T CARE HOW THEY FOUGHT.  THEY STILL WON.

Well, since you don't care, why bring it up at all in the first place? Let me demonstrate:
 
A: "Awesome, they won. They made some mistakes here and there, but it's no big deal."
B: "These idiots can't play videogames! Stupid faggots! AND WHY DID YOU UNLEARN BRAVE BLADE!"
C: "omg lol teh god hand! And RIP Jack Frost :-("
D:  But they did make a lot of mistakes [...], mostly revolving around the confusion ailment.
 
Now, lets analyse this, shall we? The A comment is what I like to read and it's not "up their ass" at all. It clearly states that they made mistakes. The B guy is your stock jackass. People who utter C are just watching this "for the lolz" and why not? 
 
And then there is D, which is your own usual comment style. Though not as bad as type B, it's still clearly more condescending in tone than A and certainly more inflammatory. There is a harsh, sly coldness to it, of the Severus Snape kind. You know, a distinct "I will eat that pesky Harry Potter raw" vibe.
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@atomic_dumpling said:

" @FluxWaveZ said:

I DON'T CARE HOW THEY FOUGHT.  THEY STILL WON.

Well, since you don't care, why bring it up at all in the first place? Let me demonstrate: A: "Awesome, they won. They made some mistakes here and there, bot it's no big deal." B: "These idiots can't play videogames! Stupid faggots! AND WHY DID YOU UNLEARN BRAVE BLADE!" C: "omg lol teh god hand! And RIP Jack Frost :-(" D:  But they did make a lot of mistakes [...], mostly revolving around the confusion ailment.  Now, lets analyse this, shall we? The A comment is what I like to read and it's not "up their ass" at all. It clearly states that they made mistakes. The B guy is your stock jackass. People who utter C are just watching this "for the lolz" and why not?   And then there is D, which is your own usual comment style. Though not as bad as type B, it's still clearly more condescending in tone than A and certainly more inflammatory. There is a harsh, sly coldness to it, of the Severus Snape kind. You know, a distinct "I will eat that pesky Harry Potter raw" vibe. "
That's the conclusion you pulled from your own baseless analysis.  I was replying to Droop, acknowledging that they did indeed make some mistakes in the fight and that it wasn't just not putting a Physical Mirror on Chie.  That comment is inflammatory for those like you, who somehow can't accept reading what exactly they did wrong because it "hurts" you.
Posted by EndlessMike
@atomic_dumpling: You're not very self aware are you?
Edited by MeatSim

Charlie made it rain!!!!  Pacman Jones doesn't make it rain, Charlie does!
 
good job beating the boss, guys.

Posted by Daroki
@Sniipe said:
"2 questions from someone who's only watched Jeff and Vinny play this game:
  1.  I know that when Charlie wastes money he actually loses it, but when enemies waste money does he gain that money?
  2. If the boss's max HP was 999, how could Chie do a 1,300+ attack and not kill it?
Thanks for the knowledge. "

1. )  Yes, if you confuse your enemies and they waste money, the money they waste goes into your pocket. 
2.)  If a boss has more than 999 HP, it will only show 999.  The robots from episode 145 were taking 350-600+ damage a swipe and then ate a 2000 HP power charged God Hand from Chie before dying.
Edited by atomic_dumpling
@EndlessMike said:

" @atomic_dumpling: You're not very self aware are you? "

Sure I am. People are free to hate me as much as they want. I am not running for major here or anything. Internet sympathy is a nice thing to have, but not my goal in life.
 
Also, I see nothing wrong with a healthy, heated argument every now and then with me being the bad guy, and I think Flux knows how to handle that (and me, I suppose). He knows he got the bragging rights here and he simply knows his Persona 4 stuff. That's not the point I tried to make though. I think Flux knows what it actually was, whether he agrees or not.
 
People have to keep in mind that there is never an actual winner of such internet fights, just stick with your opinion and never mind the backlash.
Posted by FluxWaveZ
@Daroki said:
" @Sniipe said:
"2 questions from someone who's only watched Jeff and Vinny play this game:
  1.  I know that when Charlie wastes money he actually loses it, but when enemies waste money does he gain that money?
  2. If the boss's max HP was 999, how could Chie do a 1,300+ attack and not kill it?
Thanks for the knowledge. "
1. )  Yes, if you confuse your enemies and they waste money, the money they waste goes into your pocket. 2.)  If a boss has more than 999 HP, it will only show 999.  The robots from episode 145 were taking 350-600+ damage a swipe and then ate a 2000 HP power charged God Hand from Chie before dying. "
I don't think #1 is accurate.  I don't believe that the money the enemies waste adds into Charlie's pocket, as evidenced by one of the past episodes.
Edited by FluxWaveZ
@atomic_dumpling said:

" @EndlessMike said:

" @atomic_dumpling: You're not very self aware are you? "

Sure I am. People are free to hate me as much as they want. I am not running for major here or anything. Internet sympathy is a nice thing to have, but not my goal in life. Also, I see nothing wrong with a healthy, heated argument every now and then, and I think Flux knows how to handle that (and me, I suppose). He knows he got the bragging rights here and he simply knows his Persona 4 stuff. That's not the point I tried to make though. I think Flux knows what it actually was, whether he agrees or not. People have to keep in mind that there is never an actual winner of such internet fights, just stick with your opinion and never mind the backlash. "
 @atomic_dumpling said:

No no no, you are doing it wrong. You are supposed to say: "Wow FluxWaveZ, you sure know a lot about this game, while Jeff and Vinny are just morons! I envy you! You are perfect!", smile cheerfully and put a tazer to his nads, all the while humming the Junes song. "

  That was not a statement based on any facts.  Therefore an argument is pointless.  You can't delve into someone else's mind and just come to the assumption "Oh, this guy is posting very specific Persona 4 stuff.  He probably thinks he's better than Jeff, Vinny and all of us!  I'll insult him, that'll show him!"  This was not an argument where both sides have justifications as to why their side is right, this was trying to prove your stupidity for this comment.
 
And I don't see how I have the "bragging rights".  I don't know nearly as much about Persona 4's battle intricacies as users such as Amino.  I was just pointing out what I believe they did wrong.  You think in my playthrough I did perfectly?  I died at least once in almost every boss fight and I decided for some stupid reason to make Naoto a permanent inclusion in my active team.  I made a ton of mistakes, a lot that I'm not aware of.  I'm no P4 know-it-all. 
Posted by HT101

Great episode.  I'm surprised they missed Amrita on one of their personas but it didn't hurt them so no harm done.  That God Hand was awesome.  I wonder how much the fully powered one would have hit.

Posted by brent_kukost

I'm loving all the big fights in this dungeon. Much more fun to watch than a series of smaller, annoying randoms. Hopefully Jeff is right and Adatchy is right around the corner... 
 
And frankly I'm a little disappointed in trumpeter. He's packing debilitate, which is great, but megadolaon isn't all that hard hitting and he doesn't really have anything else :\ (Chie is doing a good job making up for it though)

Posted by atomic_dumpling
@FluxWaveZ said:
You can't delve into someone else's mind and just come to the assumption "Oh, this guy is posting very specific Persona 4 stuff.  He probably thinks he's better than Jeff, Vinny and all of us!  I'll insult him, that'll show him!"
There was really no need to infer anything you didn't imply on your own. Also, if you count sharp sarcasm as an insult, I am probably the meanest internet asshole ever, because I love using that mode of speech.
Posted by FluxWaveZ
@atomic_dumpling said:
" @FluxWaveZ said:
You can't delve into someone else's mind and just come to the assumption "Oh, this guy is posting very specific Persona 4 stuff.  He probably thinks he's better than Jeff, Vinny and all of us!  I'll insult him, that'll show him!"
There was really no need to infer anything you didn't imply on your own. Also, if you count sharp sarcasm as an insult, I am probably the meanest internet asshole ever, because I love using that mode of speech. "
Wow, you're dense.  I did not imply anything at all, how about you try go re-reading what I typed?  The only thing there is me saying that they made mistakes.  That is all.  You're free to try to grasp as much of any comment in order to be able to insult someone, but that's just you trying to see things that aren't there.  And it's not the sarcasm that was insulting; it's what it entailed.  You're saying that I'm trying to prove my Persona 4 intelligence and make everybody who doesn't know as much look stupid.  Being accused unjustly is very insulting, especially when there's nothing to back up the accusation.
Posted by bahimiron
@Vinchenzo said:
" Dear God, how much of this is left. "
You don't have to watch, dipshit.
Posted by AlKusanagi

Pimp keeps Chie's God Hand strong. Fo' rizzle.

Posted by atomic_dumpling
@brent_kukost said:

And frankly I'm a little disappointed in trumpeter. He's packing debilitate, which is great, but megadolaon isn't all that hard hitting and he doesn't really have anything else :\

True, mother Harlet seems to be more useful at this point. By the way, can you fuse a "repell everything" persona? That would equal invincibility, unless someone de-buffs it.
Posted by FelixLighter

I just finished this fight earlier this weekend.  I had 3 Power Charged God Hands countered and I had to revive Chie twice but when it finally landed on the 4th try it was so worth it.

Posted by Chaossebba

If i remember correctly, adachi is really close now. Epic fight inc!
 
Allthough they could also choose to grind a level or two for safety.

Posted by Moztacular

Love how you guys called Chie's bad luck with God Hand before it happened. Self fulfilling prophecy thy name is vinnie and jeff!

Posted by bahimiron

@Insectecutor said:
" @FluxWaveZ said:
" @Rain_1 said:
"@FluxWaveZ said:

But they did make a lot of mistakes during that boss fight, mostly revolving around the confusion ailment. "

What could've they possibly done better regarding confusion? "
First, they should have used the main character to cure Yosuke's confusion instead of making the main character simply attack the boss.  Would have given a chance for Yosuke to do the more powerful wind attack.  Second, they should have used the Amrita soda with Chie to cure everyone instead of using a sedative for one person.  Third, because they used a sedative they should have used another with Yosuke on the main character to cure him and leave a turn to Yukiko in order to heal instead of wasting SP and just doing a little more damage on the enemy with Yosuke's Garudyne. Fourth, why did they bother making Chie heal herself a little bit with a Life Stone instead of giving a sedative to Yosuke if Yukiko's turn was coming up and she could have used that to do a Mediarahan.  Because of that Yosuke missed a turn to do some damage or something useful and Chie basically also wasted a turn. "
Shut the fuck up you whining, snivelling little bitch. 
Jesus Christ, dude. He was specifically answering a question he'd been asked. 
 
Hell, the fact that not once but twice in this fight they seemed to forget what Amrita could do frustrated me, and I'm usually an unabashed Endurance Run lover.
 
I guess we should just be glad that they remembered what Wind Break and Fire Break do.
Posted by FelixLighter
@atomic_dumpling: 
I have a Beelzebub that either repels or nullifies everything except wind and light.  He also has Enduring Light so that light really isn't a huge issue either.  I'm sure there could have been a way to pass on repel or null wind as well.
Posted by atomic_dumpling
@FelixLighter said:
" @atomic_dumpling:  I have a Beelzebub that either repels or nullifies everything except wind and light.  He also has Enduring Light so that light really isn't a huge issue either.  I'm sure there could have been a way to pass on repel or null wind as well. "
I take it that would take minute planning and mapping out a fuse tree well in advance. It would be worth it though, Charly could just stand there, chillin' and reflectin'.
Posted by MC488
@atomic_dumpling said:
" @FelixLighter said:
" @atomic_dumpling:  I have a Beelzebub that either repels or nullifies everything except wind and light.  He also has Enduring Light so that light really isn't a huge issue either.  I'm sure there could have been a way to pass on repel or null wind as well. "
I take it that would take minute planning and mapping out a fuse tree well in advance. It would be worth it though, Charly could just stand there, chillin' and reflectin'. "
I suggest checking out this site for some pretty interesting Personae.  Down at the bottom of the linked page it details how to do an "Ultimate Blocker" Metatron, Beelzebub, or Helel.  The formulas aren't really THAT tough either.
Posted by Seroth

XD @ them missing Amrita on Garuda. I feel like a nerd for catching that, but whatever.
 
And another XD @ how much a power-charged God Hand did to the dude. Totally worth the risk.

Posted by ch3burashka

I have a suggestion: I'm not sure if the game scales to your level, but if it doesn't, please go into the first dungeon and kill a monster with a Power Charged God Hand just for the sake of seeing 5000 points of damage taking place.

Posted by atomic_dumpling
@MC488 said:
I suggest checking out this site for some pretty interesting Personae.  Down at the bottom of the linked page it details how to do an "Ultimate Blocker" Metatron, Beelzebub, or Helel.  The formulas aren't really THAT tough either. "
I completely forgot about this "absorbing" business. That Helel is plain untouchable (almighty stuff would still hit her, I guess).
Posted by funcmode

 I had a couple of Repel/Absorb All personas. First was Trumpeter, then later Helel. I think my Metatron also repel'd everything, but I only used him as a recipe for other fusions, never in fights. I was a bit of a perfectionist with fuses, so I'd typically go for Repel or Absorb instead of Null.
 
Since I fused my Trumpeter in Heaven (before Judgement S.Link is started) I went in solo just to level him up to 74 to get Debilitate and Heat Riser. That's really the only reason I made him 'invincible', since it would have taken ages to level him up that high with a normal team. Was kind of futile in the end, cause I never used Trumpeter again after the Heaven boss fight =/

It makes the game incredibly trivial. Very few enemies have elemental break spells, Namatame's boss is the only one I can think of off the top of my head. The only thing you have to worry about is Almighty, which is also pretty rare, and status ailments. I gave my Helel Insta-Heal too, so she really was practically invincible. You can quite happily just solo your way through most of the game pressing Rush every time. It takes a lot of fun out of the game but at the same time is strangely satisfying.

Posted by dlowe05

aw. i'm sick. no labor day fun for me. oh wait, there's still the endurance run! yay! labor day is back, baby!

Posted by Zeik
I really hope they're not planning to go straight to the boss, they've still got a lot of time left for Social Linking.
 
@atomic_dumpling said:
I completely forgot about this "absorbing" business. That Helel is plain untouchable (almighty stuff would still hit her, I guess). "
Her...? <_<
Posted by funcmode

  @Zeik said:

" I really hope they're not planning to go straight to the boss, they've still got a lot of time left for Social Linking.
 

@atomic_dumpling

said:
I completely forgot about this "absorbing" business. That Helel is plain untouchable (almighty stuff would still hit her, I guess). "
Her...? <_< "
 
At first glance that dude does look pretty feminine, let him off ;D
 
Also while I'd love to see them do more S.Linking I get the impression they kind of just want to finish this ASAP =/. I imagine they'll leave the dungeon and come back the next day, which also sucks cause they'll miss out on the awesome Fusion Forecast for the day they're at now. Though I guess it's not so useful given how far through the dungeon they are, and I can't really see them getting the True Ending either. Ho-Hum.
  
I also wonder if they'll realise they're level is high enough now to fuse a Yoshitsune.
Posted by King9999
@funcmode said:
"I also wonder if they'll realise they're level is high enough now to fuse a Yoshitsune. "
No point in fusing Yoshitsune.  It'll take a whole lot of grinding to get Hassou Tobi.  At this point, they're going to God Hand their way to the ending.
Posted by amino
@funcmode: 
 
I have 2 personae that immune to all attacks(Helel and Beelzebub).It is already enough to satisfy me for the "can you fuse this type of persona" quest.
 
Regarding Trumpeter,I give him Repel physical,Mind charge,and Absorb elec.Mind charge is for social link request while Repel physical and Absorb elec is the main key for me to beat Secret Boss under 40 turns in solo mode.Still trying to break my own record (42 turns).
 
There are other 2 bosses using element break other than Shadow Namatame if you dont remember:Shadow Naoto and "IT"(which keep hiding in chest in 2nd playthrough).
Posted by regmcfly

I'm Jack Frost, ho.
 
 
Sadly, he shall be missed.

Posted by amino
@Zeik: 
 
Helel looks beautiful.The only think that make me realize he is not a woman,is his chest :P
Posted by Baal_Sagoth
@Donkeysraliens: Excellent picture! Black Frost dominates all other personas ;)
 I loved Chie's God's Hand during the boss-fight. So glad she got this move to bring her back into the action.
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Posted by Milkman

1326 from a Power Charged God Hand. And you people said they should dump Chie.

Posted by alpha_numeric
@Donkeysraliens said:
" Ok then, bring on monday! But first, a moment of silence please, for our friend Black Frost who didn't make it to see this episode, sniff, he shall be missed.... 

He's Bufu'ing angels now....sniff...
"

Posted by evilpaul
@Milkman said:
"1326 from a Power Charged God Hand. And you people said they should dump Chie. "
I like how they dumped Yosuke's best attack, Brave Blade, last episode, fight a boss that's resistant to Wind and don't use Wind Break at all. 
 
Who needs 500+ damage Brave Blades when you can do 115 damage with Garudyne?
Posted by King9999
@evilpaul said:
" @Milkman said:
"1326 from a Power Charged God Hand. And you people said they should dump Chie. "
I like how they dumped Yosuke's best attack, Brave Blade, last episode, fight a boss that's resistant to Wind and don't use Wind Break at all.  Who needs 500+ damage Brave Blades when you can do 115 damage with Garudyne? "
They did use Wind Break.  And it doesn't really matter anymore that they don't have Brave Blade.
Posted by Kazona

GOD HAND!!!!

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