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Posted by atomic_dumpling
@Turambar said:

Here's the thing.  Adachi wasn't being controlled.  Everything he did was of his own will.  Ameno-sagiri's appearance doesn't in anyway make negligible Adachi's crimes.  Again, his power did not manipulate him, he manipulated his power. "

Doesn't that make it even more arbitrary for Ameno-sagiri to appear in that fashion, practically oozing out of Adachi? If he didn't control Adachi per se, why was he/it residing in his body? Because it's cozy in there?
Posted by PosableActionFigure
@SpunkyHePanda said:
" @Turambar: Oh, I know Adachi is really a creepy raper guy and all that, I would have been even more pissed off if that had turned out not to be the case. I'm more upset about how it works (or doesn't work) dramatically. Adachi is the true killer. The plot driving this entire game has been the murder mystery and the motivation to take down the killer. This is built up as the final showdown. A showdown with a character you've known since the very beginning, a character you've become invested in. You have one laughably easy battle and then some random eyeball shows up to fight you up. It didn't work for me. By the time I'd beaten the thing, it didn't feel like I had accomplished much at all. There was no motivation to beat this thing, it just seemed tacked on. Maybe the worst thing about it is that if you've seen the true ending, you know there was no reason at all to include Ameno-Sagiri. In fact, he kind of takes away from the revelations of the true ending too. I think the fight with Adachi should have been followed by a fight with crazy Shadow Adachi. That's it, the end of the normal ending path. "

But Adachi was never some super powerful mastermind. He literally is just "creepy raper guy". That's the reveal. You went through the game looking for motives and connection between the cases, and it turns out the killer is just some douche with a complex who pushed 2 women into a TV cause he's a creep.

Adachi has no more power than anyone else, he just thinks he's superior.


Posted by Zeik
@atomic_dumpling said:
"Doesn't that make it even more arbitrary for Ameno-sagiri to appear in that fashion, practically oozing out of Adachi? If he didn't control Adachi per se, why was he/it residing in his body? Because it's cozy in there? "
Except he wasn't residing in his body at all, he just took control of it at that one point.
Posted by Catolf
@funcmode said:
" All the dialogue between Yosuke and Adachi makes me think of Code Geass,can't get those voices out of my head. When Adachi gets pissed off he sounds identical to Lelouch ;D Gogo boss fight! "
 
Yesss.. totally can't watch the banter between them without thinking of Lulouch and Suzaku. Code Geass was just epic with their voices. -the Japanese dub was okay but Lulouch's voice was FAR too deep-
Posted by Yui
@CitizenKane said:
" @DiGiTaL_SiN said:
" Charlie and crew are ready to end this, once and for all! "
You really don't need to post the sub title of every episode. "
Let him do what he wants 
PERSONA
Posted by Catolf
@Zabant said:
" @ryanwho said:
" True ending is lame, youtube it. It makes too much sense to end the game at episode 150. If you bend to the will of the comment whiners about the true ending, the terrorists win. Whats more you'll validate them and prettymuch send out a signal to people that if they bitch long enough you'll give in. "
Games are made to be played.  If there is more to the story and you skip it "just because....i dont know 150 episodes is a nice number" then you are a weakling and a faggot my friend "
Why are you a 'faggot'? Can't you use some other freaking word next to -weakling- to make your point? When you don't broaden your vocabulary, that makes you a daft and thoroughly ignorant.
Edited by Turambar
@atomic_dumpling: Easy solution: he has no physical body and requires the use of one to manifest himself in our world on a level we can interact with.  And no where did it seem like he "came out of" Adachi.  Now, is this true?  We don't know.  But it's a common enough trope that it is fairly probable.
Edited by MeatSim

Lol @35.38 they just break out laughing when they hear Charlies muffled grunt, that was great. 
 
You guys are pros at this that boss was no difficulty at all for you but the death star with a eyeball is still pretty epic. Hope you guys go for the True Ending, though how are you suppose to figure out how to start it with out a guide or a FAQ I have know idea, it's not something I would ever think to do.

Posted by atomic_dumpling
@Zeik said:

Except he wasn't residing in his body at all, he just took control of it at that one point. "

Well, to wrap this discussion up, I refer you to this song, which mirrors my reaction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V6T0lJc3dU
Edited by Droop

Did anyone notice that Adachi's persona was Izanagi? The same persona Charlie evoke(?). Aka Charlie's first persona.
 
Dun dun dun!
 
Edit: Oh hey, Jeff did.

Posted by Nasos100

awesome episode. hope they go for the true ending

Edited by SpunkyHePanda
@PosableActionFigure: I see what you're saying, but I didn't need for the true culprit to be some cold, calculating mastermind in order to accept him as the villain. In fact, I much prefer the demented, emotional Adachi that's in the game. The idea that he had been lying to your face the entire time, manipulating you, then sitting back and watching was enough motivation for me. It's rare and refreshing to see an RPG villain that's so flawed and so human. I admit, set against the backdrop of this crazy TV world with all these supernatural elements, Adachi might not be the sort of villain you expect, but I thought it worked.
Posted by Turambar
@Droop: Yep, indeed it is.
 
Edited by PosableActionFigure
@SpunkyHePanda:

 TBH it seems like Ameno-Sagiri only existed for the purpose of "swerving" people with the true ending. I guess they figured most people would be expecting there to be a "higher power" behind Adachi, the one responsible for the midnight channel and the fog in the first place, so they gave us Ameno-Sagiri. So your average player thinks, "oh ok, I guess that's the one behind everything". Then BAM, guess what, not quite.

I think if they just had Adachi as the "last boss", people would be expecting someone else to appear, and so would not be as surprised by the true reveal.

Posted by funcmode

  @Droop said:

" Did anyone notice that Adachi's persona was Izanagi? The same persona Charlie evoke(?). Aka Charlie's first persona. Dun dun dun! "

I assume you've played the game and know why Adachi has that persona. If not, you're very observant and there is a very good reason for it which the true ending explains. 
 
I have to agree with what SpunkyHePanda said in regards to Ameno-Sagiri's presence. It's strange, cause it gives decent closure to the story if you don't pursue the true ending, but if you do, it makes even less sense. I guess all in all they did a pretty good job with the ending given how convuluted the plot became towards the end, as Turambar said very well.
Posted by Zabant
@Catolf: Why cant you keep your thoughts to yourself, feel you need to respond just because you think using a better vocab on the net means anything?
 
also, your comment was so related to the video wasn't it.
Posted by evilpaul
@Nasos100 said:
"awesome episode. hope they go for the true ending "

Pretty sure you need to have maxxed all the Social Links (able to create "World" on the next playthrough) to be able to get the True Ending. Which they haven't. Nobody finds it without reading a guide anyway.
 
Besides, I****** would hand them their asses in h** first form. If they managed to get to h**.
Posted by PosableActionFigure
@evilpaul:


You don't. At least, I just did it, and I didn't have all the social links maxed. I didn't even have all the party members' links maxed in fact.

Edited by Turambar
@funcmode: There actually is a very rational reason for Ameno-sagiri's existence, but it'd be a GIANT FREAKING SPOILER that I'll keep unwritten for now.  Or I'll just write up a post on it for the P4 forum later.  And by rational, I don't mean suddenly making the ending better.
Posted by eduardo

Well there has to be at least two more episodes so we'll close it off at 150! Who ever heard of finishing something off at 149?! :P

Posted by HT101

What a crazy place to stop.  Can't wait to see if they go for the true ending or just end the game tomorrow.

Edited by funcmode
@PosableActionFigure said:

" @evilpaul:


You don't. At least, I just did it, and I didn't have all the social links maxed. I didn't even have all the party members' links maxed in fact."

Correct. You don't need all social links maxed to get the true ending. 
 
And if nobody finds the true ending without a guide how would anyone have discovered it in the first place?
 
@Turambar said:

" @funcmode: There actually is a very rational reason for Ameno-sagiri's existence, but it'd be a GIANT FREAKING SPOILER that I'll keep unwritten for now.  Or I'll just write up a post on it for the P4 forum later. "

Feel free to PM me and let me know, personally I thought once the true ending is revealed his role in the story is greatly diminished.
Posted by DJJoeJoe

Amazing stuff, but please for the love of god I hope Jeff/Vinny have gotten enough PMs urging them to continue to the final ending. It seems way to epic to not complete!

Posted by MC488
@Zokari said:
" It doesn't sound like they're going for the True Ending. Pretty sad that they'll have played for over 90 hours but won't actually be finishing the game. "
I think they could.  From what Vinny says at the end, they only think this is the real ending.
 
Right now they're headed for the Normal Ending.  With all the events and stuff, and depending on how long the episode is tomorrow, they may not even get far enough to begin the small process to begin the road to the "True Ending"
Posted by PosableActionFigure
@funcmode said:
" @PosableActionFigure said:
" @evilpaul:


You don't. At least, I just did it, and I didn't have all the social links maxed. I didn't even have all the party members' links maxed in fact."

Correct. You don't need all social links maxed to get the true ending.   And if nobody finds the true ending without a guide how would anyone have discovered it in the first place? "

Well, you could probably come across it just by experimenting, but that doesn't seem like the sort of thing Vinny and Jeff would do.

The issue is that you have to go against what the game tells you to do, even though at that point (assuming you haven't read spoilers) you have NO reason to do so.

You need to know to decline all the prompts to go back home, go to Junes (even though you've already been there once to see Yosuke and Teddie), IGNORE that fact that it tells you "you have no reason to be here" and chack the elevator multiple times. That's pretty unrealistic for an average player to manage on their own.

Posted by funcmode
@PosableActionFigure: I know. I'm not trying to deny that the true ending is hard to find, because it is. All I'm saying is that it's not beyond them and it's entirely plausible that they could find the ending without a FAQ. Though I agree the odds would be against them.
Posted by SpunkyHePanda
@PosableActionFigure: I think that was probably the rationale behind it, but I don't understand it. Getting to the true ending essentially requires you to realize that you're missing something and to act on it, which I think is a great concept. Unfortunately, there's virtually no evidence to suggest you're missing anything because Ameno-Sagiri can be blamed for pretty much everything. If the final battle had been with Adachi, it would have been more possible to figure out there was more to the story, and it still would have required you to seek out the truth without the game's help.
Posted by FrozenPhoenix
@Turambar said:
" @Droop: Yep, indeed it is.
 
 
"

Yes. Adachi's Persona is called Magatsu Izanagi. It's pretty kickass, right? 
That's another thing that makes the True Ending worthwhile. It explains why Adachi and Charlie 
have the same Persona and how they got them. Here's another awesome pic. 
 
Posted by SpunkyHePanda
@Turambar said:
" @funcmode: There actually is a very rational reason for Ameno-sagiri's existence, but it'd be a GIANT FREAKING SPOILER that I'll keep unwritten for now.  Or I'll just write up a post on it for the P4 forum later.  And by rational, I don't mean suddenly making the ending better. "
I'd like to hear it, because I can't think of a single good reason. And I've tried.
Posted by Sanj

All i'm gonna say is...Junes food court is an awesome place to be. In fact, you may even try to go there when you feel you don't even need to be there...
 
...that is all.
Posted by YetiAntics

if they plan to finish the game tomorrow, then its gonna be a looooooong episode.
Posted by PosableActionFigure
@Sanj said:

" All i'm gonna say is...Junes food court is an awesome place to be. In fact, you may even try to go there when you feel you don't even need to be there... ...that is all. "


One could even say, unless you go there you're "not finished yet!".
Posted by m1k3

Is that Ryan playing with them plastic instruments i hear in the background???

Posted by Sanj
@PosableActionFigure said:
"@Sanj said:

" All i'm gonna say is...Junes food court is an awesome place to be. In fact, you may even try to go there when you feel you don't even need to be there... ...that is all. "


One could even say, unless you go there you're "not finished yet!". "

Another way of putting it, is that if you have to choice to end the game...don't do it...just go to Junes...because that's how you get the FREAKING TRUE ENDING.
Edited by PosableActionFigure
@Sanj said:

" @PosableActionFigure said:

Well it certainly wouldn't feel like a true ending to the Endurance Run if they didn't visit the food court "one last time"...
Posted by Slaneesh
@PosableActionFigure said:
"@NeoNaoNeo said:

" Someone please tell them how to get the True Ending, so they don't miss it. E-mail them or something, or at least tell them to check a walkthrough before saving the new game + data. "

I'm sure they (well, Jeff at least) knows about the true ending. They've probably been bombarded with PMs over it already.


It's just a matter of whether they choose to ignore it so they can end the ER, or whether they are just pretending that this is the end of the game to troll us.


Probably the latter since they didn't seem so stoked that they beat the "last" boss.

"

I agree. To ask people to send information to them about the true ending would be like asking children to eat candy. In most cases they would do it anyway
Edited by AndrewB

Please just read an FAQ and get the true ending... :\
 
With only one save file, it would mean starting over from the beginning again if you make one mistake.

Posted by KingBroly

I love the Endurance Run, but I think it has to end at 150.  It's gone on farther than most people anticipated, and the normal ending is good enough for me, and probably most people.  Going past tomorrow would be a bit overkill.

Posted by Zelyhon

Not quite the end just yet.  You've still got some True Ending to go through!

Posted by PosableActionFigure
@KingBroly said:
" I love the Endurance Run, but I think it has to end at 150.  It's gone on farther than most people anticipated, and the normal ending is good enough for me, and probably most people.  Going past tomorrow would be a bit overkill. "

Why?

Surely since they've invested so much time in it already, the best thing to do would be to actually finish the game once and for all.

All that's accomplished by ending it at 150 is the knowledge that they didn't actually finish the story.

I mean if that's the case, why even fight Adachi? May as well just end the run at the first "end point", safe in the knowledge that Namatame is behind everything.

Posted by bybeach

very good game. You guys learned something, almost went too well!
Posted by TheGamerFix

Awsome Episode, I hope they get the true ending, can't wait for tomorrow!
Posted by jackel1138

@funcmode 
Probably because it's the same voice actor. Wikipedia it.

Posted by ashbash

Is this the end!?

Edited by DavidSnakes

This is getting worse and worse every episode.  The game, not ER.  You can stop trying to explain the shitfest plot because who seriously cares?  A good story doesn't rely on convoluted bullshit and longwinded melodramatic monologues the way this game does.

Posted by Catolf
@Zabant: I just felt the need to correct you and your hateful language when it wasn't needed, there are PLENTY of other words in the dictionary to use to describe a person as I pointed out in my previous post.
 
And yes, this is the internet, I'm free voice my opinion on what I think is garbage coming from someone's mouth. ^^
Posted by Catolf
@Turambar said:
" @Droop: Yep, indeed it is.
 
"
Kinda too bad they didn't have Izanagi at the end to have the Magatsu / normal Izanagi off. I plan to keep mine till the end much like I kept Orpheus to the end in P3 Just dosen't seem right to ditch your first persona sense that's the one that started you off on this grand ole' Journey.
Posted by Beomoose

When I saw Charlie grunt, all I could think was "Persona 4 Main Character Beatbox."  I'm a bad person.

Posted by xDot

Go for true! 
 
There's no way you two are ever going to get this far again in the game and just looking at what happens on Youtube or something isn't the same. You wont regret it, it clears up a lot of things left unexplained and it isn't exactly hard to unlock.

Edited by funcmode
@jackel1138 said:

" @funcmode Probably because it's the same voice actor. Wikipedia it. "

I know, and I've known since I first heard both of their voices but, thanks anyway =)
 
I only phrased it the way I did cause I thought JYB did a decent job of making his typical Adachi voice sound a bit different, but as soon as he goes all shadowy he practically turns into Lelouch, I love it ;D
 
  @Catolf said:

"Kinda too bad they didn't have Izanagi at the end to have the Magatsu / normal Izanagi off. I plan to keep mine till the end much like I kept Orpheus to the end in P3 Just dosen't seem right to ditch your first persona sense that's the one that started you off on this grand ole' Journey. "

You're original persona plays a pretty key role in the true ending, wait and see =)
 
Oh and @Turambar: I'm still waiting to hear your thesis on Ameno-Sagiri in the context of the true ending. Your paper is overdue!