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Posted by darklink6849

that framerate...

Edited by Giefcookie

I'll play it like pretty much any big MMO that comes out but man, all of this stuff is so early and pie in the sky that I can't get excited about it. So far the biggest possible draw seems to be the amount of emphasis they are putting on AI.

Edit: Also, seeing that the EU version is being handled by ProSiebenSat and the game being region locked bums me out.

Edited by mordukai

Well then...

Edited by Demento

I like the new art style and I am curious on how all these effects will hold up on my computer.

Edited by MildMolasses

that framerate...

Oh come on. This is clearly work in a progress. Don't be that guy

Posted by WickedSickDanceAttack

I've played and followed a lot of MMO's in my time, and honestly been disappointed too many times to count.

But the fact that these guys are coming to the table with some gameplay ass gameplay is brave and made me WAY more interested than some million dollar CG trailer. I'm actually KINDA excited for an MMO again.

Posted by Hassun

I cannot imagine Patrick punching anyone to be honest.

Posted by lordvorbis

Someone tell those players to stop standing in the fire!

Posted by VarrosAnon

@darklink6849 said:

that framerate...

Oh come on. This is clearly work in a progress. Don't be that guy

This is their chance to impress me. If they can't even capture their own game in 30fps, that makes me think that this is going to be a lot like Guild Wars where it looks incredible until you have to push the quality down because you're getting 8fps and then it just looks like WoW with slightly better foliage.

Posted by Wandrecanada

There's physics in my MMORPG!

Posted by Raciend

@giefcookie: Yeah, ProSiebenSat is terrible. They are one of the big reasons I don't play Planetside. SEO really should reconsider their partnership with them!

Posted by beepmachine

Pretty hard to judge just by this, but seems like it has a good foundation of gameplay. The art style and models looks very disney-esque to me, in a good way.

Posted by Jachin

I wonder if this will come to the PS4.

Posted by rethla

@demento said:

I like the new art style and I am curious on how all these effects will hold up on my computer.

"new", its the mainstream RPG art style these days...

Posted by spraynardtatum

Yeah I am going to try this game. MMOs have needed destructible environments and it'll be amazing if they pull this thing off.

I'm worried about it being F2P. I don't have much faith in that model. It seems like it's usually used to trick players into spending more money. It also destroys progression mechanics and makes skill less valuable. Who knows. Someone is bound to figure out how to do it right.

Posted by spraynardtatum

@jachin said:

I wonder if this will come to the PS4.

I guarantee it. It's SOE. Also...

CAKEBOSS!

Posted by Murdoc_

For all the effects that art going on there, not much is being "destroyed". But aside from that, still sounds cool and I'd want to check it out.

Edited by Cirdain

@mildmolasses said:

@darklink6849 said:

that framerate...

Oh come on. This is clearly work in a progress. Don't be that guy

This is their chance to impress me. If they can't even capture their own game in 30fps, that makes me think that this is going to be a lot like Guild Wars where it looks incredible until you have to push the quality down because you're getting 8fps and then it just looks like WoW with slightly better foliage.

HA YEAH THEY SHOULD HAVE MADE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE EXZECUTABLE FOR THEIR MMO LIVE DEMO THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO SHOW FOOTAGE WHICH WASN'T LIVE-BUILD IN-ENGINE TO THEIR PASSIONATE FANS THAT WERE AT THE EVENT WHERE THE VIDEO WAS FIRST SHOWN. COS' GAMESSSS YEAAAHHH!!!

THEY'RE USING VOXELS!!! IT SHOULD BE EASY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Taborcarn

My prediction is that diehard Everquest fans will hate the physics-based gameplay, and nobody else will care.

Posted by CornBREDX

I was not quite as impressed. Something is going to suffer to bring this detail they are saying will be there- either that or the destruction will be event triggered and not actually anywhere/anything.

Is this not an MMO? There is very little about it (to early to tell of course) that shows the open worlds that Everquest and Everquest 2 have.

I'll wait and see, but I've seen much more epic battles and the destruction seemed to mostly be just particles.

Edited by Nardak

@murdoc_ said:

For all the effects that art going on there, not much is being "destroyed". But aside from that, still sounds cool and I'd want to check it out.

Not a lot is destroyed?

at 0:19 the player destroys the bridge

at 0:23 the player destroys a big part of the wall

at 1:40 the enemy smashes a hole into the ground which drops the players down to an underground cave (the game randomly generates those places according to the everquest next keynote)

at 2:16 the aoe of the underground boss basically destroys all of the pillars around it

According to soe keynote presentation you can basically take a shovel and dig your way downwards...the engine is voxel based so theoretically anything in the game can be destroyed. Though I do believe that some stuff cant be destroyed because some players would otherwise level cities to the ground.

In excactly how many other mmo games can you actually destroy the environment around you while fighting?

Some more destruction:

Posted by MildMolasses

@varrosanon: I'd much rather they honestly show me where they are at right now with the things they intend to put into the final game than give me a bullshit target render that won't resemble anything in the final product.

Posted by GERALTITUDE

Really curious to see how the environments work. Do they get fixed periodically? Is the world just made up of many shards so that there's only ever a few people in each environment other than cities?

How can they have destructible environments in an MMO and not have everybody playing in a wasteland after a week?

Posted by jayspadez

im the immortal words of jeff...."thats....pre-tty damn goood"

Edited by chiablo

Everything's probably going to be instanced... this makes me sad. :(

Posted by Aviar

I'll definitely be following this. I wasn't a fan of EQ1 or EQ2 but this one definitely has me interested so far. We will see how development goes along for this. I just hope that the hype around all of this "destructible environment" stuff actually pans out.

Posted by Elwoodan

I wonder how they will handle a couple hundred players systematically destroying the environment though, even with regular resets it seems like, with enough people, everything would always be a pile of rubble.

Posted by fisk0

I was a fan of EQ1 and EQ2, and I'm looking forward to this. Not too fond of the art style, but damnit, voxels and destructible environments, it's like 1996 all over again, and I like it.

Posted by JohnTunoku

Honestly I don't think anyone knows whether or not an mmo is any good till about 6 months post official release. As a result I find it impossible to be hyped by a trailer for this sort of thing. Good on them for trying some original stuff though.

Posted by Draxyle

Finally someone tries something slightly more daring for an MMO. I doubt it will end up as awesome as it sounds, but I'm rooting for them to succeed.

Visually, it does look pretty good for an MMO. It's well saturated, but not overly saturated like WoW. The eventual UI/HUD will make or break that look though.

Posted by OurSin_360

Is this on a console?

Posted by MarkWahlberg

@hassun said:

I cannot imagine Patrick punching anyone to be honest.

it's supposed to be a gif, but... you get the idea.

Posted by GunsAreDrawn

It's kind of weird that they put this out without any music, it made the game seem kind of bland. Just imagine listening to those sound effects over and over - they didn't even sound that great!

Posted by JasonMrazMtaz
Posted by MeatSim

I like destruction, but I have never really cared about EverQuest.

Posted by Sooty

A Patrick punch must be like a Vinny pat.

Posted by Lazyaza

@mildmolasses said:

@darklink6849 said:

that framerate...

Oh come on. This is clearly work in a progress. Don't be that guy

This is their chance to impress me. If they can't even capture their own game in 30fps, that makes me think that this is going to be a lot like Guild Wars where it looks incredible until you have to push the quality down because you're getting 8fps and then it just looks like WoW with slightly better foliage.

Your standards are insanely unrealistically high, no mmo in history has ever run well in a beta. Most of the time you're lucky if the server is even stable or hell even running. Give them some fucking credit for being confident enough and respectful enough of gamers to show what they are actually making actually running and being played and not bullshitting people with some cgi or whatever. As far as mmos in early stages go, this is the most impressive I've seen in years.

Posted by YoThatLimp

This looks pretty dumb, not sure why I am not digging it.

Posted by siln

They made reference to the land "healing" over time, so destruction won't likely be any more permanent than killing an orc in a regular MMO. They also said certain areas will be immune to destruction to prevent griefing. My guess is that they won't quite hit the level of destructability they're going for, but it'll still be cool. In particular, I imagine you'll be able to lay waste to instanced content, and most non-hub overworld areas.

Looks neat. I'll wait until there's a release day before I get too excited though.

Posted by Benmo316

For everything EQN is wanting to do, I hope they can pull it off. When I see MMO trailers they never look impressive. To me, that's a genre you need to experience, not watch. That's why I'm glad EQN is free-to-play.

Posted by RyenDeckard

@chiablo: They're already said they're going to avoid instancing as much as possible, including having completely public dungeons.

Posted by cikame

I like how physical everything is at this stage, pushing enemies around, popping them up for juggles etc.
Though it seems like it would be absolutely chaotic for an mmo, warrior barges in knocks back the enemy, mage misses a huge spell because the enemy has been moved, archer knocks an enemy out of the warriors juggle, floor explodes and everyone sighs because they have to fight a harder enemy, going to be tough to balance.

Posted by Veektarius

I know I'm in the minority when I say I've played both EQs and enjoyed them, but I don't get any EQ vibes off of this trailer. Not that that's saying much, considering how little was shown.

Edited by Rowr

THOSE PHYSICS.

Art style is awesome.

Posted by Stimpack

@mildmolasses said:

@darklink6849 said:

that framerate...

Oh come on. This is clearly work in a progress. Don't be that guy

This is their chance to impress me. If they can't even capture their own game in 30fps, that makes me think that this is going to be a lot like Guild Wars where it looks incredible until you have to push the quality down because you're getting 8fps and then it just looks like WoW with slightly better foliage.

tsk, tsk. Well, you know, just don't play it. I agree that performance is absolutely important, but it's way too early to judge. I don't think the thing is even close to being in beta yet, as far as I know it's still alpha.

Anyway, looks alright to me. Loved the original EverQuest, but most MMOs suck nowadays. The communities have kind of been ruined after they got so popular. That aside, the voxel business seems cool. I just hope the rest of the game isn't crap.

Posted by Viking_Funeral

Cool tech demo.

Curious to see how it will play in action.

Edited by Yodasdarkside

@lazyaza said:

@varrosanon said:

@mildmolasses said:

@darklink6849 said:

that framerate...

Oh come on. This is clearly work in a progress. Don't be that guy

This is their chance to impress me. If they can't even capture their own game in 30fps, that makes me think that this is going to be a lot like Guild Wars where it looks incredible until you have to push the quality down because you're getting 8fps and then it just looks like WoW with slightly better foliage.

Your standards are insanely unrealistically high, no mmo in history has ever run well in a beta. Most of the time you're lucky if the server is even stable or hell even running. Give them some fucking credit for being confident enough and respectful enough of gamers to show what they are actually making actually running and being played and not bullshitting people with some cgi or whatever. As far as mmos in early stages go, this is the most impressive I've seen in years.

Well said, sir. I recall the scarily impressive cg trailers for The Old Republic, and, well...yeah.

Posted by MeAuntieNora

If you told me Patrick Klepek was making thinly veiled threats, I'd have cowered in a corner...

I'm 6'4" and 220 pounds, but that dude seems wiry as hell, and you know he sneaks a switchblade in that fro.

Posted by Murdoc_

@nardak: There are examples of destruction in this video, but for large portions of the more incredible things happening, not a lot was being destroyed, they were simply particle fx.

23 seconds -1:11+ shows no actual destruction. Particle Fx is not destruction.

The “Epic Battle”(1:52+) Doesn’t actually show any environment destruction, it appears to just be particle effects with no change on the environment.

I think the game looks neat, and don’t want to come off as a skeptic, because they clearly have parts where stuff is being destroyed, I just wanted to note that much of this video is standard particle effect stuff all video games do with no change on the environment.

Edited by Pirsig

@mildmolasses said:

@darklink6849 said:

that framerate...

Oh come on. This is clearly work in a progress. Don't be that guy

This is their chance to impress me. If they can't even capture their own game in 30fps, that makes me think that this is going to be a lot like Guild Wars where it looks incredible until you have to push the quality down because you're getting 8fps and then it just looks like WoW with slightly better foliage.

@varrosanon:That attitude is exactly why we get crappy CG movie trailiers that tell us absolutely nothing about the game. This kind of footage is exactly the right way to show a game at this stage, honestly. I would much rather see the reality of where a game is at and what it's trying to accomplish than a fancy CG reel that looks really great, but has no actual value whatsoever.

You also should understand that optimization is typically one of the last steps in any piece of software before release, game or otherwise. You get everything running and implemented and then start making it better. It's the same as going from first to final draft in writing. Do you write one page, go back, revise it ten times then move on to the next page, or do you write the whole thing and then revise after completion? Any sane, logical person will do the latter.

In short: People like you are the reason we don't get more honesty while a game is being developed. Please be quiet, lest the industry think you're representative of the community.

(for some reason I can't get the quote junk off the first paragraph of mine...)

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