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Posted by kantrip

Awesome episode. Kinda bummed to hear about the Destiny ending was not all that good.

Posted by ateatree

That preview image makes me profoundly uncomfortable. Good work, @patrickklepek.

Posted by HammondofTexas

I would let Viggo Mortensen lick me.

Posted by mrsmiley

@kantrip said:

Awesome episode. Kinda bummed to hear about the Destiny ending was not all that good.

Except that it's not an "ending". It's the final story mission currently available in what will be years of story progression. I'm not saying it was amazing, but it's quite apparent that Destiny is about far more than just running through each campaign mission until you are done. It's an MMORPG, meaning content will continue to grow as the years progress.

Edited by MooseyMcMan

Glad the video is up! I had to miss it live because I was working and junk. Ugh.

Patrick talking about D4 makes me really sad that I don't have an Xbox One and can't play D4.

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Edited by hmoney001

"You're not the lord of the rings!"

Posted by Molenator85

@patrickklepek, calling yours and Alex's facial hair halfway to beard braids is being mighty generous.

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@mrsmiley said:

@kantrip said:

Awesome episode. Kinda bummed to hear about the Destiny ending was not all that good.

Except that it's not an "ending". It's the final story mission currently available in what will be years of story progression. I'm not saying it was amazing, but it's quite apparent that Destiny is about far more than just running through each campaign mission until you are done. It's an MMORPG, meaning content will continue to grow as the years progress.

eh, not really. I very much disagree that it is an MMO, it is a coop game with some public areas that only support 8-16 people at a time and very little in the way of actual interaction.

Also, the fact that they are selling more content within 3 months of release for a 'massive' game is silly. Truth is, Destiny 2 will be out in 2-3 years...with a crop of expansions as well and then 3 to follow. In my opinion, It is a shallow platform to sell DLC. A plan to hook whales that will invest hundreds of dollars per game through the life of the series.

If a game claims to be as intriguing and exciting via the narrative as Destiny has claimed to be, then you should get your Narrative in the $60 product. Not $60 + $35 for the expansion pass + reading a bunch of garbage on a website. I don't like any of that approach.

They got $60 from me, I'm not going to spend more money to try and squeeze a little blood from that stone.

Everyone has their tastes, and maybe it just wasn't for me, but looking in even from the outside, trying not to be cynical, I still see this as a shallow shell to sell things.

Posted by Zabant

Fuck Tolkien's son, certain types of media when they becomes so culturally synonymous no longer can be controlled by a single creator (and in this case, the creators fucking son) and they belong to everyone.

This clown stopping anyone from making anything about The Silmarillion is basically giving the middle finger to it's fans.

also funny to hear klepek call Chris Tolkien a kid, he's 89 years old.

Posted by patrickklepek

@zabant said:

Fuck Tolkien's son, certain types of media when they becomes so culturally synonymous no longer can be controlled by a single creator (and in this case, the creators fucking son) and they belong to everyone.

This clown stopping anyone from making anything about The Silmarillion is basically giving the middle finger to it's fans.

also funny to hear klepek call Chris Tolkien a kid, he's 89 years old.

Holy crap, 89?!

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Posted by Zabant

@patrickklepek: Yup! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Tolkien

Edited by conmulligan

I will never get tired of hearing Alexa talk about Lord of the Rings. I'm not even a fan of Tolkien, but her enthusiasm is utterly infectious, and it's really cool to see her channel it into great writing like last week's retrospective.

Posted by kalmia64

@conmulligan: Word. She is one of my favorite guests (though I love them all)!

Edited by Lively

@zabant: Christopher Tolkien is a stubborn person, but I think maybe he's better than the alternative, where a Warner-Brothers controlled Tolkien estate starts making sequels to the original books, tie-in TV shows, and so on.

Bill Watterson (creator of "Calvin and Hobbes") has a similar stance, and I know I will similarly lament the day when Watterson dies and some less picky relative sells to Disney for the inevitable CGI kids movie adaptation.

Posted by Humanity

Interesting side missions like.. go kill 9 archers.. Ahh..

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Posted by superdomino

I worked for a company who made licensed goods (blankets, glassware, keychains etc) and we had the Bob Marley license. The license is managed by a larger company but Ziggy (Bobs son) is involved with the approvals. At some point a few years ago they decided they wanted to disassociate the Bob Marley license with marijuana.

I'll let that sink in.

So a large part of my job was photoshoping joints out of photos (that they provided) so they could be slapped on blankets and posters and sold to teenagers. Fuck all licenses.

Posted by BTStreleckis

Very fun and interesting episode. Ever since I started seeing stuff from this site a couple years ago (via the site, YouTube, and the Roku channel, before I became a member), this show has become one of my favorite features all week.

Posted by flakmunkey

I love Destiny, I'm having a blast, and I will buy the DLC. Maybe I'm "part of the problem" but this just interests me more then just about everything else out there. I get that people are going to continue complaining about it on every single games related anything because a lot of people feel let down, it's just getting discouraging and boring to listen to people say the exact same opinions on the game over and over again. Listening to game journalism since launch has actually become more repetitive then playing the same strike missions over and over again.

Posted by XxICExX87

Interesting how we don't want internet hate but this video has multiple insults thrown at individuals or estates I am sure they have had little to no contact with.

Posted by TheHT

Bad story? There is no story!

Destiny is a game about shooting things. Primary themes? Don't get shot. Narrative devices? Fireballs and lightning daggers. Climactic moments? Actually getting a legendary from a legendary engram.

I'm excited to play Shadow of Mordor tomorrow, then Dragon Age next month. Hopefully that's good too. Not really into horror games, but The Evil Within is lookin pretty cool.

Edited by I_Stay_Puft

With Patrick saying people expecting the extra content as a cynics take I just think it's more of a take of what people have seen in video games recently. How many games have given out there dlc and expansion packs free of charge? I mean it happens but rarely do we see it happen without a price fixed to it. I just think it's one of those things that people have come to expect to happen cause it feels like that's just how the business goes with DLC.

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Posted by Toug

Ehhhhh poh naaaah.

Edited by Mr_Creeper

"I'm gonna beat the shit out of Zelda." ---Alexa Ray Corriea

Posted by cooljammer00

Viggo pulling a Frakes right there.

Turn the graphics back up!

Edited by ptys

I would let Viggo Mortensen lick me.

He's not licking. Its a New Zealand Maori haka thing, he's basically doing a war greeting ;)

Posted by jackburtonme

I've got to go with Alex on this one. They totally stripped that stuff out to sell it as DLC.

Edited by schonebaby

my screen froze on this for a good five seconds

Posted by Hasufel

This was a good episode but I was really disappointed by the treatment of Christopher Tolkien and the Tolkien Estate. It's really unfair the way they described him as just a dick who's impossible to work with, he's 89 years old and I doubt he personally had any direct contact with any of the specifics of game production. As far as I know he spends most of his time (which I imagine isn't that much any more at his age) curating his father's notes and releasing new books. From everything I've read about how he feels about the films and video games and stuff, he sounds more like he's just sad that something that he grew up with and helped create is being whored out by large corporations. I mean he might have some extreme opinions about the movies, but he also had to actively work to stop Warner Bros. from making Lord of the Rings slot machines so I can kind of understand where he's coming from.

Edited by BaconGames

I think Alexa's my favorite semi-regular guest.

Also it's interesting that "Lord of the Rings" is not anywhere in Shadow of Mordor's title. Speaking of licenses, here's the legal copy at the bottom of the game's Steam page:

MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOW OF MORDOR © 2014 Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc. Developed by Monolith. In association with WingNut Films. © 2014 New Line Productions, Inc. © The Saul Zaentz Company. MIDDLE-EARTH: SHADOW OF MORDOR, THE HOBBIT, and the names of the characters, items, events and places therein are trademarks of The Saul Zaentz Company d/b/a Middle-earth Enterprises under license to Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment.

MONOLITH LOGO, WB GAMES LOGO, WB SHIELD: ™ & © Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc.

(s14)

Posted by whitegreyblack

@schonebaby: That needs to be the new Alex chat emoticon.

Posted by cooljammer00

In terms of other games that could use a Nemesis-like system, I just beat the Cold Cold Heart DLC for Arkham Origins. There's a bit in there where you interrogate a guy, and then a few missions later you run across him again and he's basically like "Please don't beat me up again!". He's given a special name (Loose Lips) but I only realized he wasn't just a random thug cause I was reading a walkthrough that mentioned "You come across a familiar face".

So other games that wanted to use a Nemesis type system need goons you can fight who aren't just nameless goons. GTA might work in terms of gang warfare, but I highly doubt one particular thug could become your nemesis. And we all know most people die via cop in that game anyway.

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@schonebaby said:

my screen froze on this for a good five seconds

Or he did actually freeze...for a good five seconds. Might be half-goatee paralysis.

Edited by Barrock

Emailed Patrick about the follow up to You're Next a bit ago. The rottentomatoes description makes it sound absolutely insane and must-see.