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Posted by DevourerOfTime

Edited by MooseyMcMan

DESTINY.

Posted by spilledmilkfactory

Destiny seems to continue the trend of games in 2014 that make me go "ehhh".

Posted by Anytus2007

Whoa. The hell happened at the end of this video?

Posted by Clapmaster

Really sucks to hear their thoughts on Destiny. I've been looking forward to it but I loved the Halo series for the single player stories and campaign in those games and always looked at the multiplayer as just a extra little side distraction. I really hope Halo 5 comes out with a solid single player because Destiny doesn't really sound like something I'll be able to get into if it's primarily multiplayer focused.

Posted by mrfluke

oh i dunno, alex seemed like he enjoyed the destiny beta, just the multiplayer seemed like something he wasnt in to. and the strike mission where you have to have a fireteam, in comparison to the rest of the stuff in the beta, that IS the most exciting mission in the beta,

i think the point about the worlds feeling empty is valid, but it does sort of goes with the story they set up, that the majority of the humans are dead because of the darkness. so earth is sort of barren and empty by design.

i think like say, if we do ever get to go to the last human city thats still alive and protected by the traveler and its as barren as this beta area, then we have a problem.

and i think bungie also knows the issue with the areas, thats why they do their damnest to populate that area with other random players doing their thing.

Posted by Seikenfreak

So glad Alex came around on the Dinklage VO. There was just something about it (I only played the Alpha) that was so dry and plain, regardless of who's name was on it, it was super dull.

Posted by Red_Piano

I don't think Dota 2 is really as complicated as it's being made out to be, you don't need to know every character's ultimate or what exactly a carry is or all the special terminology and items just to watch and enjoy a Dota tournament, much like a lot of people have no clue what an Offside offense is in Soccer and yet they still enjoy Soccer, you can watch it, see when a lot of stuff dies and get really excited with the crowd just like any other sport.

I have a very basic understanding of what dota is, there's three lanes, each lane has trash mobs that spawn at you and your opponent's base respectively and are basically trying to push to the enemy's defensive towers and take them out to get to the main base and your job is to basically farm everything and kill the enemy base, you get gold and experience from killing trash mobs on lanes or mobs that spawn in the forest in between lanes, or killing towers or killing players and just with a base level of understanding I can watch The International and know enough of what's going on to enjoy it and get excited when big stuff happens. To be honest, people's excuses for not understanding Dota are just a big cop out, you're too caught up in thinking it's some extremely complex thing, that you can't even bother to learn the basic mechanics, which are no more complicated than any other game. It's no different than Dark Souls, people think it's some super hard game so they don't bother to try it out which just leads to further perpetuating the myth that it's a some impossible feat to play Dark Souls!

Posted by flakmunkey

@clapmaster: I'm happy to say that my opinions on the game do not line up at all. I'm loving everything about how this game feels, as far as atmosphere, gameplay, multiplayer, everything. I also thing the the Dinklage voice sounds perfect. I'm sick of overly human ai (aka Cortana, EVE, etc.) and I'm happy to hear some solid robot-sounding robots for once. He also has some great little moments of personality that stand our even more due to his flat "robotness". eg during the speaker cutscene "I did!". It just sounded like perfect Dinklage smug, I loved it.

Edited by J_smash

I was playing the Destiny Beta with a friend when I noticed a humorous anti gravity glitch. I added some beautiful drama with the help of a classic song. Enjoy :)

Posted by FinalDasa

ESPN has been fine. Their stream is great quality and that in itself is better than most of the Twitch stuff.

I wanna say the ESPN stuff is the same as the Twitch stream but isn't the "noob" stream. I wish there was some more base information about strategy and terminology but I can at least watch and somewhat understand what's happening and who's winning what.

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Edited by Nodima

I also disagree with the Dinklage hate. He sounds great, very calming and reassuring at every moment which is kind of what I want from this game. The combat is so nerve-racking at times I'm really enjoying how soothing all the Tower/companion stuff is. Like when you approach shopkeepers in the Tower and they have these little sentences for you, they get delivered like a massage.

I also enjoyed spotting the other celebrity voices out there. Lance Reddick (Lieutenant Daniels from The Wire) and that terrorist lady from one of the early 24 seasons (who also played an elder Quarian) were the ones I gathered.

Anyway I've probably put about seven hours into a level 8 Titan, four into a level 5 Warlock and just one or two into a level 3 Hunter and it has not gotten old for me at all. I've run through each mission on both difficulties two sometimes four times and even knowing exactly what's coming with The Devil's Lair now I still find it really fun to plow through, whether that's with actual friends in a party chat or total randoms in a silent quest for glory.

Perhaps the best praise for Destiny I can leave in this comment is I woke up today with a slight hangover from staying up too late drinking brandy and playing Destiny with some friends living in another state, hit play on this video, powered on my PS4 and then had a real Droopy Face sort of moment when I remembered the Beta was down today and tomorrow. I'm feeling withdrawals from a game I've basically completed other than the skill tree upgrades.

Posted by Ravelle

So glad Alex came around on the Dinklage VO. There was just something about it (I only played the Alpha) that was so dry and plain, regardless of who's name was on it, it was super dull.

They added a robo-filter over his voice but he still sounds a bit disinterested.

Edited by Sydlanel

Apart from the videogame/video-game I find Video game is indeed a problem for what Video Games are today. It entails that these products should be a game (unlike cinema, or literature, where the name doesn't limit the creative direction of the medium itself, since you can read or watch a comedy or a drama or a tragedy), this "game" aspect seems to require that it should always be fun, it should always have a defined goal, it should have a defined challenge, and while some of those may be positive, they may not be necessary, which indeed is a discussions that we are having now that the medium has begun pushing on these boundaries.

I find it a bit strange to expect soul or personality from a bungie game.. I mean, Halo kinda grew it's personality pretty far into the series, and mainly from its impressive architectonic aesthetics... but initially, I always felt it was a really bland crossover between spacemarines and power rangers.

While I think Destiny looks nice, I don't really expect that it'll have any sort of conceptual aesthetic edge to it. Especially considering that it's an MMO, and most MMOs tend to have a very everything but the kitchen sink approach to aesthetics. While something like Warcraft, Borderlands or Wildstar may have some caricaturesque aspect to them, they tend to work without any finesse. (and I'm talking about aesthetics, not polish).

About the Peter Dinklage, I agree with Patrick, I think it's a problem with expectations, I'm not sure if it is SOOO terrible, but it's true that I wish it had some more spirit, and we know this voice... so we immediately notice that he's not pushing any emotions through. Even claptrap as horrible as it was, was a lot more fun. For me the most obvious comparison (and superior) is Stephen Fry's Wheatly.

In the end there seems to be a shocking lack of humor in the whole game... everything is pretty gravely serious, no hint of fun or enjoyment in the plot, but it's an MMO! there's a dance button! So, yeah , the tone is all over the place..

In the end, I think I'll play it for a while.. for the story / single player / co-op, but I don't really expect to be captivated by it. Particularly not the competitive aspect... because although I can be pretty good on pve, I suck pretty hard when faced with other humans.

also, thank you @j_smash I too believe I can fly now.

Posted by PhilOsyfee

@j_smash: Thank you for that, I laughed so fucking hard.

Posted by mrsmiley

Oh man, Alex NAILS IT when he breaks down the people complaining about video games on ESPN 2 when nothing else is happening haha.

Posted by J_smash
Edited by whitegreyblack

@j_smash: Awesome. Same thing happened to my buddy when we were playing but I could not see it - he kept running after it asking me "Do you see this? Do you SEE THIS?!". That music suits it perfectly!

I like the Destiny beta so far but the side missions in the Exploration section are a mix of boring MMO collect-this and missions that force me to leave the part of the map I fought to get to just to go back to another part of the map I don't want to spend time in at the moment. I hate the PvP with all of my soul, but admittedly I never like PvP and am terrible at it. The Strike mission as by far the most exciting part.

I think Dinklage's VO is fine. It works with the robofilter but I would not say it is a stand-out performance. Hearing who I believe is Lt. Daniels from the Wire as my Titan Vanguard is awesome. There are a lot of recognizable actors doing VO in the game.

Posted by J_smash

@whitegreyblack: I totally agree. I have never been good at pvp. I tried 2 matches yesterday, and had my ass handed to me. I have always been a story mode guy, so I have spent most of my time with friends in the strike missions as well. My biggest gripe so far is that you get absolutely nothing for beating boss enemies like the spider tank. It takes forever to destroy them, and you get nothing in return. It makes you want to bypass them all together because there is no satisfaction for not being rewarded.

Posted by whitegreyblack

@j_smash: Yeah, the spider tank mission actually felt like a bit of a slog to our fireteam. Took forever, not much of a reward at the end. At least the strike mission was a bit more exciting.

Posted by goreyfantod

@mrsmiley:

Yeah, I've seen poker, billiards/pool, NASCAR, horse racing, bowling and fishing among other quasi-'sports' on ESPN. It seems hella silly to complain about competitive video games being shown.

Posted by ajroo

I loved the Destiny Beta. The story stuff and the strike team missions were great. There were some pretty neat collectibles hidden out there, if you figured out what to look for.....

I TOTALLY agree with Alex though. The competitive multiplayer was not fun. I tried it for a couple hours and never had an enjoyable time. I never felt like i had a chance in a firefight with a normal gun. Between the small ships, super powers, and special weapons, it was a cluster mess.

I thought Peter Dinklage was fine. He was an AI and sounded like one. I never once would have focused on his performance as negative if it wasnt a all over the internet.

Posted by AngriGhandi

I have to agree with Alex that Destiny's competitive mode feels like a bit of a mess-- particularly in the way they claim to automatically "balance out" level and gear differences without ever telling you how that works, or what that means.

The fact that higher level people still have more abilities than lower-level people... and I'm allowed to switch between all my inventory weapons, but don't know which stats are or aren't being impacted... it's confusing, and never feels quite right.

In competitive modes, they'd probably be better off with the weapons being default loadouts and on-map pickups, Halo-style, and limiting the RPG elements to what skills you've chosen and what your armor looks like.

Posted by Mr_Creeper

Guess it's time I got around to downloading this Destiny beta and see how it is for myself...

Edited by MikaelBoogart

The artwork on Alex's shirt is rad! I really like that style.

If they were calling Dota a sport on ESPN, people are definitely justified in taking issue with that. Dota isn't a sport. It is competitive gaming. Sport, by definition, involves a physical exertion. Pro gaming wouldn't be a sport unless VR had come so far as to have actual physical running around as part of your gameplay... or something. And I do agree with Patrick that eSports is a bad term that hurts the whole scene more than it helps. I like Competitive Gaming, I think that's fine and clear enough for everybody.

As for accessibility; i don't think it's really so much the complexity of the game that is the problem. I understand the basic tenets of the game (learned from watching a few matches). That's not my problem with it. My problem is that I think Dota is boring to watch and I don't care how much money is involved. Ditto for Starcraft. I do, however, get crazy hype for fighting game tourneys.

Not a sport. Poker isn't either. Or darts. Bowling is a bit of a fence sitter on that.

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Posted by Fonzinator

That ending... hilarious!

Posted by Efesell

The artwork on Alex's shirt is rad! I really like that style.

If they were calling Dota a sport on ESPN, people are definitely justified in taking issue with that. Dota isn't a sport. It is competitive gaming. Sport, by definition, involves a physical exertion. Pro gaming wouldn't be a sport unless VR had come so far as to have actual physical running around as part of your gameplay... or something. And I do agree with Patrick that eSports is a bad term that hurts the whole scene more than it helps. I like Competitive Gaming, I think that's fine and clear enough for everybody.

As for accessibility; i don't think it's really so much the complexity of the game that is the problem. I understand the basic tenets of the game (learned from watching a few matches). That's not my problem with it. My problem is that I think Dota is boring to watch and I don't care how much money is involved. Ditto for Starcraft. I do, however, get crazy hype for fighting game tourneys.

Not a sport. Poker isn't either. Or darts. Bowling is a bit of a fence sitter on that.

I dunno, it just seems to me that at some point clinging to definitions is really silly. Who does it hurt if sport is a broader term, why should it annoy?

Posted by HellBound

Understanding a sport is and seems a lot easier then anything Dota. Just the terms alone

Posted by Rapid

The lighting makes it look like Alex has a black eye lol

Edited by TournamentOfHate

There's so many people in e-sports and competitive video game communities that hate the term e-sports and don't feel like they have to be recognized as athletes. This effort to be looked at as more legit by calling it a sport seems to be hurting them more than anything. Why can't competitive video games just be its own thing? I feel as this generation gets older it'll become less of an issue.

EDIT: Just to make sure, Patrick you know that Cosmowright is the same speedrunner that was in the Ocarina Of Time video you posted in Worth Reading a year and a half ago from AGDQ 2013? Crazy to think the run has gotten over 4 minutes faster since then. Link

Posted by Fram

Best sign-off yet!

Posted by Tr0n

Digital sports!

Posted by defcomm

Who does Alex love!? :O

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I'm with @patrickklepek that Divinity is an amazing game, especially once you discover all the possible magic/terrain combos.

I don't think it's that difficult though (at least not after familiarizing yourself with the games systems - there's an in-game manual by the way, that explains a lot of stuff), so I really don't see the need to play this with a guide because of being afraid of having to restart the game.

I certainly understand why restarting would be a concern to most people, because of wasting a lot of time, but how about simply trusting in yourself not to make stupid mistakes, instead of listening to people who probably only restarted because they a) wanted to, since they want to min/max their characters or b) didn't actually try to understand the game's mechanics the first time around. You can't/shouldn't rush in the beginning of this type of game.

If you have any experience with RPGs you shouldn't make a total mess out of your characters anyways. Also there's always buffs from gear, if you really somehow did manage to make a mess and later on you can just simply unlock a dude who let's you respec your characters. So no big deal at all.