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GDC 2013: After Hours Livestream Spectacular - Part 02

It's the last night of GDC and things get stupid. But then they get real. Then they get stupid again.

Mar. 29 2013

Cast: Ryan

Posted by: Drew

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Carrie needs to join Giant Bomb.

She was awesome in this video, as she was during the old Gamespot days.

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Paul Barnett is the most boring dude that has ever been on a Giant Bomb podcast.

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@oscar__explosion: dude that magic has been brewing since On The Spot back in the day - it's like a modern day Mulder and Scully.

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@oscar__explosion: dude that magic has been brewing since On The Spot back in the day - it's like a modern day Mulder and Scully.

So there's gonna be an alien baby involved!? (Note that I know nothing of X-files and basing this off of what I heard Patrick said)

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@siroptimusprime said:

@nadril said:

So why don't people like Phil Fish? I must have missed some sort of internet outrage or something, because he seemed like a pretty cool and interesting dude.

Because he said Japanese game design/business is stagnating (which it is) and people the internet heard racism.

You can't generalize about an entire race of people and say, "That's not racist." That's literally the definition of racism. He is a racist. End of story.

quoting an idiot

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No, Dubstep... it needs more dub step... no, more dub step, more...

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Love Phil Fish. Wish he could have more time with the Bomb Squad. Dude's great. Love how he's taking the hate in stride. Hilarious!

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Yay Robert Ashley!

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No, this was great. I mean, no, this was great.

Please let this happen during the whole year, GB.

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This was a fan-fucking-tastic live show. Giant Bomb's GDC coverage beat all other game sites' coverage combined.

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Phil was pretty legit. Liked him more than I thought I would.

Also, Carrie is the kind of woman that should represent "Women in games". She didn't come off as completely harpy, which made her so much more easier to listen to.

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The stain is gone. Damn.

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@toxin066 said:

Phil was pretty legit. Liked him more than I thought I would.

Also, Carrie is the kind of woman that should represent "Women in games". She didn't come off as completely harpy, which made her so much more easier to listen to.

Yeah, it's really amazing how women are less defensive when they aren't being constantly and repeatedly verbally abused, harassed and threatened.

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Whenever American sites get any English dudes on, they are the most ENGLISH DUDES I've ever heard. And I'm from England!! :D

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Bunch of drunks.

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I went on interviewdumptruck.com and laughed alot more than I should have. Thank you to whoever did that.

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Phil Fish! I remember him from that movie!

Was that the kid who hacked the PSN network?

There's large amounts of vomit, and then there are the stories that come out of Paul Barnett's mouth. I probably couldn't differentiate between the two. Why was he throwing up everywhere the whole time?

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@bulby33 said:

Paul Barnett is the most boring dude that has ever been on a Giant Bomb podcast.

I could not agree more. Also I think he is utterly self centered and cannot talk about a subject without bringing it back to himself or his team at EA. Regardless though, a more desperate and dejected couch guest I have not seen. And another thing, who the fuck talks about "audio people"? Regardless I know he's a big deal because his free to play version of Ultima is garnering so much attention in the industry and excitement among the people. No wait, it isnt.

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@siroptimusprime said:

@nadril said:

So why don't people like Phil Fish? I must have missed some sort of internet outrage or something, because he seemed like a pretty cool and interesting dude.

Because he said Japanese game design/business is stagnating (which it is) and people the internet heard racism.

You can't generalize about an entire race of people and say, "That's not racist." That's literally the definition of racism. He is a racist. End of story.

He's not generalizing about a whole race of people!!! He's generalizing about a whole industry of businesses!!! Corporations aren't people!!! His thesis was that japanese games suck nowadays. Not that japanese people suck. How is it difficult for you to tell the difference?

If I said American cars suck, would you say I was being racist? If the answer is yes, then you're an idiot. And that's literally exactly the same thing as saying "japanese games suck." It's not racist at all.

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@depecheload said:
@toxin066 said:

Phil was pretty legit. Liked him more than I thought I would.

Also, Carrie is the kind of woman that should represent "Women in games". She didn't come off as completely harpy, which made her so much more easier to listen to.

Yeah, it's really amazing how women are less defensive when they aren't being constantly and repeatedly verbally abused, harassed and threatened.

You know what? Fine.

That this abuse happens to every women who speaks out against sexism in the industry is a fallacy. Plenty speak out on legitimate harassment and other criminal activities affecting the industry. The harassment is an evil, but the problem online has always been the vague association of 'objectification' in video games. So obviously, when Carrie talked about her experiences in the industry no one is going to verbally abuse, harass or threaten over it, no one is suggesting these real-world problems are fictitious. That is a strawman argument.

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@kishinfoulux said:

Oh god more white knighting of Anita going on this thing. I'm so sick of hearing about this chick.

People who think people are only nice to women because of "white knighting" are the worst, most hideous, misogynistic, disgusting pricks in the world. Because that means that YOU are only nice to women because you want them to fuck you. Sick sad pathetic little boy.

The implication that the assembled crew and guests were being "nice" to Anita Sarkeesian is fatuous. It's called white knighting because they are trying to defend her from any criticism and spreading further misinformation that all the criticism is akin to death threats. This is common practice right now in the games journalism industry, and the panel only continued this one-sided journalism and that is clearly what @kishinfoulux was talking about. You and I know that.

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@siroptimusprime said:

@nadril said:

So why don't people like Phil Fish? I must have missed some sort of internet outrage or something, because he seemed like a pretty cool and interesting dude.

Because he said Japanese game design/business is stagnating (which it is) and people the internet heard racism.

You can't generalize about an entire race of people and say, "That's not racist." That's literally the definition of racism. He is a racist. End of story.

That isn't "generalizing about an entire race", you knob. That's drawing a conclusion about the state of a specific Japanese industry, on a creative level.

If he said "all Japanese people are terrible" -- THAT'S racism.

The true story is that a bunch of Japanese game fans lost their minds at the guy, for daring to say what most of the industry thinks: Japanese game design is incredibly stagnant.

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Wow, heard of Chris Tilton before being mentioned on the site but had no idea he had worked on Fringe. Great show and an awesome soundtrack.

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Phil Fish! I remember him from that movie!

Was that the kid who hacked the PSN network?

There's large amounts of vomit, and then there are the stories that come out of Paul Barnett's mouth. I probably couldn't differentiate between the two. Why was he throwing up everywhere the whole time?

That was c418, he made the music for Minecraft, like he said in the video.

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This video was excellent. I always liked Carrie, but after this I like like Carrie. I also ended with a lot of respect for Phil Fish. Seems like a much cooler dude than I had originally though.

And for all of those people talking about him being an asshole and a racist, you do recall that Inafune bashed the Japanese game industry back in 2009, and then again, within days of Phil Fish bashing it last year? Phil Fish does not seem to have much of a filter and says what he feels. And the idea that Japanese game development has been stagnant is something that a great deal of developers feel, they just don't say it because they don't want to burn any bridges.

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Giantbomb. It was a nice run, but i cannot be with anyone who doesn't think honeydew is the greatest fruit in existence.

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I have to say when I saw Phil Fish on the panel, I was a bit worried. I never have bought the argument about him being racist, nor do I even care really about him being a very unfiltered person. I just think that he can sometimes come off, like Jon Blow or David Cage, as REALLY pretentious. That said, he was actually pretty great in this video.

I also really enjoyed hearing what Carrie had to say about all the recent hubbub about women in gaming, et al. Even though they didn't really address the Sarkeesian issue directly (which I think with Carrie, Stephanie, and Patrick could have been interesting), I really think Carrie has the right attitude that you can't let the horrible nature of what people say on the internet be indicative of gaming culture or the industry as a whole. That's like assuming the WBC is representative of all Christians or al-Qaeda is representative of all Muslims.

@jimmypancakes said:

@bulby33 said:

Paul Barnett is the most boring dude that has ever been on a Giant Bomb podcast.

I could not agree more. Also I think he is utterly self centered and cannot talk about a subject without bringing it back to himself or his team at EA. Regardless though, a more desperate and dejected couch guest I have not seen. And another thing, who the fuck talks about "audio people"? Regardless I know he's a big deal because his free to play version of Ultima is garnering so much attention in the industry and excitement among the people. No wait, it isnt.

Normally I don't have a problem with Barnett and have in fact enjoyed a lot of his previous appearances on the podcast and in vids, but I have to admit he was beginning to wear thin by the end of the second segment. That said, I think he wasn't trying to say "audio people" as if they are somehow lower or anything, but probably to be inclusive of people who do the music and people who do sfx. Like the way most people generalize programmers all as "coders" even though there is varying disciplines within that field.

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three hours went like three minutes. Great show guys. keep it up!

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@kishinfoulux said:

Oh god more white knighting of Anita going on this thing. I'm so sick of hearing about this chick.

you're an idiot

How insightful.

@kishinfoulux said:

Oh god more white knighting of Anita going on this thing. I'm so sick of hearing about this chick.

People who think people are only nice to women because of "white knighting" are the worst, most hideous, misogynistic, disgusting pricks in the world. Because that means that YOU are only nice to women because you want them to fuck you. Sick sad pathetic little boy.

In her case yes. Nobody is allowed to criticize the little snowflake because her feelings might get hurt. Boo hoo.

@kishinfoulux said:

Here's what he said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-07-fez-creator-phil-fish-declares-modern-japanese-games-just-suck

I'll say it again. Fuck him. Get back to me when you've made something worthwhile.

So he was rude and now you hate him? Have you never been rude to anyone, ever? If so, you're a better person than just about everyone else on this planet. Congratulations.

Also Fez was universally regarded as one of the best games of last year. The fact that you don't agree is totally fine, because you're entitled to your own opinion. But he has made something worthwhile in the eyes of many, many people, including the creators and staffers of the site you're commenting on!

He was beyond rude I'd say. Also GTAIV was thought to be the greatest thing since sliced bread at one point. That clearly isn't the thought process anymore. I don't exactly trust the gaming press on these sort of matters.

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Paul Barnett... My hero. He always has the best stories. <>

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THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED ABOUT RYAN DAVIS IN THE LAST WEEK , I CAN NEVER UNLEARN

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Phil Fish is a surprisingly chill, funny, and likeable dude. I never really saw any sort of interviews with him prior to this, but honestly my ignorant opinion beforehand was a bit negative due to some of his comments floating around the internet. But yeah, he's a much cooler dude than I was expecting and I gotta work on avoiding the hyperbolic internet hate machine more.

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Carrie was talking about the games industry not being so sexist, which is true. Juvenile and occasionally really dumb, sure. But Hollywood is actually waaaaay more of a "boys club" than gaming. It's just a boys club that presents itself better.

A lot of the sexism in games themselves has to do with the fact that sexually frustrated 15 year old boys (And those with the mental profile of a sexually frustrated 15 year old boy) are still the primary demographic for "hardcore" games.

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Carrie was pretty awesome, she seems like a total bro.

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Graphic novels are graphic novels they're published as a book be it a hardcover or a paperback. Comics are comics they're released as issues and then collected into trades the nature of a comic doesn't suddenly evolve into a graphic novel because it deals with the holocaust and not superheroes. That was some serious bs coming from Patrick.

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whole bunch of misogynists on giant bomb trying to explain it away. it's still not working for you

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Phil Fish is a surprisingly chill, funny, and likeable dude. I never really saw any sort of interviews with him prior to this, but honestly my ignorant opinion beforehand was a bit negative due to some of his comments floating around the internet. But yeah, he's a much cooler dude than I was expecting and I gotta work on avoiding the hyperbolic internet hate machine more.

I can't agree more, I am right up there with you pal.

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@posh: If you can't form a cohesive argument, bring out the m-word.

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Graphic novels are graphic novels they're published as a book be it a hardcover or a paperback. Comics are comics they're released as issues and then collected into trades the nature of a comic doesn't suddenly evolve into a graphic novel because it deals with the holocaust and not superheroes. That was some serious bs coming from Patrick.

It's not surprising. On the bombcast, the term "comic book" is basically a derogatory term whenever they use it to describe a story, a game or a movie.

Aside from Ryan and Dave, Giantbomb doesn't know shit about comics.

Didn't Patrick say Robert Kirkman just "stumbled" into The Walking Dead? I mean, shiiiiiiit....

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@posh: If you can't form a cohesive argument, bring out the m-word.

It's not surprising. A real cohesive argument takes time and effort and would still be immediately dismissed by the majority of people with a handwave and a "Oh it isn't THAT big of a deal. Get over it" and would quickly get lost in a sea of comments.

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@mindost: You had me until "immediately dismissed." That's actually the other way around, as others such as @branthog have made long argumentative posts in the comments and is promptly ignored by the user in question to instead label all criticism as "hatred of women."

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Carrie needs to join Giant Bomb.

She was awesome in this video, as she was during the old Gamespot days.

Yeah, she'd fit right in with the bombcrew.

This is fucking unwatchable. Listening to Phil Fish defend is gimmick of a game, bullshit feminism and wahh women in games, and patrick for 3 hours. No thanks.

This reflects more on you than the content.

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The dumptruck joke was never funny. They keep trying to make it a 'thing'.

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Guess I'm gonna have to add sit on a cake and puke on some bats to the ol' bucket list.

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@fizzylift: WHY DON'T YOU LIKE THE THINGS THAT I LIKE?

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The whole music talk when they got on the topic of old school style of audio implementation in limited hardware reminded me of when Yoshinori Ono told a story about how he had dreams of making great game music, then was stuck slaving away programming for CPS-1 and CPS-2, and it was hard because at the time the hardware was so primitive it was hard to implement, and the CPS-1 was much less powerful than the 2, and made it even harder.

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The cake story killed me.

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Graphic novels are graphic novels they're published as a book be it a hardcover or a paperback. Comics are comics they're released as issues and then collected into trades the nature of a comic doesn't suddenly evolve into a graphic novel because it deals with the holocaust and not superheroes. That was some serious bs coming from Patrick.

No, the term you're thinking of is "trade paperback."

The term "graphic novel" literally came about because people who never read comics were reading books like Watchmen and Maus, but they still wanted to feel better than people who read Spider-Man.