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GDC 2013: After Hours Livestream Spectacular - Part 02

It's the last night of GDC and things get stupid. But then they get real. Then they get stupid again.

Mar. 29 2013

Cast: Ryan

Posted by: Drew

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What was up with Paul Barnett? He seemed kinda sad the whole time.

Really? He seemed pretty cheery to me, he constantly went off on tangents about crazy stuff.

I enjoyed it though, he's pretty interesting and he seems to have a lot of great stories since he's a seasoned industry vet.

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This is a weird fucking website.

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Edit: Phil Fish is such a tremendous Canadian asshole that it makes me proud to also be a Canadian asshole.

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Not a big Robert Ashley fan. Listened to his podcast when he was releasing them years ago. His attitude didn't really do much favors for the show. Especially the episode where he asked people why they enjoyed playing video games in his stoned voice and then acted like their answers weren't good enough.

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this is pretty much a summary of what happened in the chat at the stream.

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Yeah, as I watch this it reaffirms how much I can't stand Robert Ashley. I find Phil FIsh less tiresome.

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT IT IS ROBERT ASHLEY

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So, ten minutes calling for maturity, decorum, consideration, and greater inclusivity in the industry and then thirty minutes of crispy salted turd chips and penis-CAD talk. Yup. And no sense of irony about it either. Tsk. It must be great to be both an easily offended and greatly concerned, head shaking, scold trying to bring reason and order to a dirty dirty stupid world AND a wild edgy loco SOB who never met a line he didn't want to color outside of. Most of us have to just pick one of those or all the integrity flies away.

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That Paul Barnett story is glorious

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So, ten minutes calling for maturity, decorum, consideration, and greater inclusivity in the industry and then thirty minutes of crispy salted turd chips and penis-CAD talk. Yup. And no sense of irony about it either. Tsk.

In becoming mature we must become humourless and say tsk.

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@beomoose: Paul Barnett stories make JohnnyV's life look like a goddamn afterschool special.

Unless he is The Italian Man in the hotel room. O_o With the TRON soundtrack playing...

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@evanbower: Yeah. 3d Dicks and poop chips are the only means of achieving humor. That's not tacky and juevnile lowest common denominator stuff or anything. It's not the same type of crap they were complaining about just a wee bit earlier at ALL. Nope. No crap-chips, no pee pee jokes no humor. Plus be mature. No conflict there at all.

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@evanbower: Yeah. 3d Dicks and poop chips are the only means of achieving humor. That's not tacky and juevnile lowest common denominator stuff or anything. It's not the same type of crap they were complaining about just a wee bit earlier at ALL. Nope. No crap-chips, no pee pee jokes no humor. Plus be mature. No conflict there at all.

It's a late night casual conversation where people are drinking on Giantbomb.com. If you were expecting maturity and decorum the whole time your expectations are out of whack.

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I have to agree with Jeff and Ryans comments on preserving the right for everyone to be an idiot just as long as your idiocy doesn't hurt anyone else. I feel as a species we are very complex and we surely can't be held to black and white absolutes. So with that in mind, why can we not laugh about the ridiculous notion of 3D printed dicks and yet still discuss serious topics like social injustice?

I feel in this regard after what I have just watched in this video and observed in the comments, Phil Fish seems like a perfectly reasonable person with interesting thoughts and a talent for making awesome games.

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This is a weird fucking website.

I feel it is getting into the weird territory like one of those solo girl porn sites.

Phil Fish is awesome, honestly buying Fez for PC just because he is cool. Can't wait to see what he comes up with next.

Carrie is always great, wish she would appear in more GB stuff, i love hearing her opinion on things.

Man, the last week has been really weird in the GB-space. I feel like I know too much about the inner workings of Ryan Davis.

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@nadril said:

@siroptimusprime said:

@nadril said:

So why don't people like Phil Fish? I must have missed some sort of internet outrage or something, because he seemed like a pretty cool and interesting dude.

Because he said Japanese game design/business is stagnating (which it is) and people the internet heard racism.

Wait... That's it? Really?

And didn't the Giantbomb crew literally just say that during the first part GDC after party? I mean, it's true, Japanese game design has been stagnated for a while now.

Its not just that. Phil Fish has a history of talking mad yang about stuff for unwarranted reasons. Look at Fez coming to PC after he marched up and down the street about how it was "A console game" that would "never come out for pc"

...until he needed the money. Not to shit on him for wanting his game to do well, but own up and say you were wrong. Hell, he said "PCS ARE FOR SPREADSHEETS" now suddenly they are fit to run his game? But, I dont want to get on another Phil Fish rant, so im just going to leave it there.

So, wait, Phil Fish is literally Hitler because he changed his mind about something?

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Audio segment- very helpful advice. you guys rock ^_^

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We all say shit sometimes. Phil Fish is alright.

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@sleepydoughnut said:

I loved Carrie's comments about the whole women in video games thing, which was essentially fucking chill out about it. So refreshing to hear. It's so tiring to hear white guys talking about whether something is potentially racist or sexist.

It really was a breath of fresh air. Note the silence of certain members when she spoke. I was impressed especially when she noted that this was also just her opinion. The absolutism of this kind of stuff - "you're either with us or you're a misogynistic pig" - is perhaps the most tiring part.

Danny B is awesome. That dude is so down-to-earth and charming. Phil Fish also endeared himself, strangely after his own section where he didn't really say all that much interesting. Loved the IGN sign and Jeff's reaction. The cake and vomit stories will also live in infamy. Great stream.

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i love how totally exhausted alot of these people look ^_^

and its good to see Carrie again :)

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Carrie is always an incredible guest, I wish we got to see her more often! :-)

Ryan's cake sitting fetish story was UNBELIEVABLE. I was dying after he said his fiance left the room.

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@murdersmash: It was more about him being a gigantic ass without anything to back it up and making very cocky statements and then being forced to backtrack on it - and he did it in kind of a pathetic way. He rallied for Xbox Live and knocked down Steam, then the whole patching business happened and he began whining that Steam is so much better and that he's sad he didn't put it out for all platforms. Also, "PCs are for spreadsheets" and that FEZ is meant to be enjoyed on a couch. Cue PC release.

Sure, the hate bandwagon is kind of overblown, but he didn't come of as a very likable dude. For what it's worth - he seems to have mellowed a lot and he was cool in this video.

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Why is no one asking about the spoon on Carrie's wrist? Does she need it for drugs, or is her life have situations where a needing a spoon is so dire?

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Looooove Carrie!

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@evanbower: Yeah. 3d Dicks and poop chips are the only means of achieving humor. That's not tacky and juevnile lowest common denominator stuff or anything. It's not the same type of crap they were complaining about just a wee bit earlier at ALL. Nope. No crap-chips, no pee pee jokes no humor. Plus be mature. No conflict there at all.

why are you a gold subscriber of this site? obviously you don't get it

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@truthtellah: i'll take two plx

Thank you for your generous order! You'll receive your Phil Fish Teddy Bearsâ„¢ whenever their damn well done. Don't hassle me, okay? Thanks again!*

*you may receive estimates for possible arrival, but please disregard them

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That moment when the Mark of the Ninja developer started freaking out over Giant Bomb's craziness was absolutely glorious.

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This here is something truly special.

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Prefers consoles to PC? Lets hate him! Speaks the truth about the state of video game development in japan these days? Lets hate him! Its amazing how a couple of opinions can cause so many to get so angry at someone. Just like the Patrick hate train. What a bunch of idiots, I hate the internet :/

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@phished0ne: I fully understand his intent to develop for a single platform and I think more games would be higher quality if they went single platform. But just looking at Super Meat Boy you can see how much more of an audience for these games there is on PC so it would be dumb not to put it out there at some point.

I like Phill Fish. I doubt we'd get on but I like Fez and I agree with a lot of things he says.

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Bromance is in the air tonight.

Phil Fish is still a jerk though.

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I love this website.

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I can't believe that they are actually defending Anita Sarkeesian, people don't hate her because is a woman. They hate her because she basically scammed people to make a bunch of badly researched youtube videos.

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@ooame said:

I can't believe that they are actually defending Anita Sarkeesian, people don't hate her because is a woman. They hate her because she basically scammed people to make a bunch of badly researched youtube videos.

Some people dislike her for that perception of what she is doing, but a lot of people have crossed the line in their hate toward her. From day one people have been acting like assholes toward her, and loud idiots have easily distracted from any reasonable criticism that some might have. And that horribly negative response fueled people donating more to her. Those who have despised her, demeaned her, harassed her, and made death threats against her are more to thank for her success than almost anyone else.

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@murdersmash: Yup! i said it, Ladies and Gentlemen, Phil Fish is literally hitler.

On a related note, if i was a musician (one who made REAL MUSIC MAN, NOT SOME POP BULLSHIT). You were a fan of mine, and i said in an interview i would never ever ever use a certain brand of guitar because i didnt like it's tone ( Presumably because i had a sponsorship from another guitar company). But then miraculously started to use that exact brand of guitar i swore i would never use as soon as my sponsorhip ended, would that make you question my integrity as an artist who is trying to make "real meaning music"?

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@nadril said:

@siroptimusprime said:

@nadril said:

So why don't people like Phil Fish? I must have missed some sort of internet outrage or something, because he seemed like a pretty cool and interesting dude.

Because he said Japanese game design/business is stagnating (which it is) and people the internet heard racism.

Wait... That's it? Really?

And didn't the Giantbomb crew literally just say that during the first part GDC after party? I mean, it's true, Japanese game design has been stagnated for a while now.

That's not really it. If you watch Indie Game: The Movie (not a very good film, but worth watching for anyone interested in video games), he appears to be a bit of a dickhead. An achievement considering the directors of the film seem to want us to root for him. The Super Meat Boy guys come across much better.

Still, dickheads can make good games and be entertaining, I hold no ill-will against him for that. He seems quite interesting and funny when he's more relaxed.

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What's the problem for ladies to get body paint? They even probably are getting payed. What's the problem? Who do they hurt? If you don't want to be a part of that, don't be, nobody is making you stay and nobody is making them do it.

Let's have NO FUN at all then, shall we? Oh no no somebody does not approve that bla bla bla, fuck off.

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Regarding Phill Fish: I don't care for his comments (taken out of context) and the reaction (haters wanna hate).

I just care about him because of FEZ. My xbox blew up years ago, im pc gamer now, and i'm interested to check it out (pc release may). After that, i have an opinion about him as game designer. Thats it.

Gotta say though, the fake event jokes (e3+gamescom) are freaking hilarious! :D So, since i don't know him, at the very least I can say: Mans got humor.

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sexism again, jeez.

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@ooame said:

I can't believe that they are actually defending Anita Sarkeesian, people don't hate her because is a woman. They hate her because she basically scammed people to make a bunch of badly researched youtube videos.

How did she scam people, exactly? She described what the videos would be and people donated if they wanted to (I didn't). Now she is making and releasing them. Sure, she is taking longer than anticipated, but that's hardly a scam.

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This was a really enjoyable discussion on a variety of interesting subjects, and I'm glad you had some ladies on to talk about ladies in the video game industry/business.

And now I'm going to watch as this comment no doubt gets drowned out by a bunch of misogynist creeps' nonsense.

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Paul Barnett is great.

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@branthog said:
@nadril said:

@siroptimusprime said:

@nadril said:

So why don't people like Phil Fish? I must have missed some sort of internet outrage or something, because he seemed like a pretty cool and interesting dude.

Because he said Japanese game design/business is stagnating (which it is) and people the internet heard racism.

Wait... That's it? Really?

And didn't the Giantbomb crew literally just say that during the first part GDC after party? I mean, it's true, Japanese game design has been stagnated for a while now.

But when everyone touches the side of their nose and looks into each other's eyes and says "well, that's a . . . European game" or "well, that's a Hungarian/Polish/Czech game" as a means of conveying how a game is lacking or peculiarly buggy or otherwise is totally okay.

I don't... Know what you wanted to say with this comment. You're saying generalizing is a shitty thing, be it for european games or japanese games? Are you saying that it's okay to generalize because it's kind of true? Or are you saying that people need to get out of their asses and stop double-standardizing the shit out of everything? Cause... Sure, I agree.

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Anyone else feel the sexual tension between Jeff and Carrie? Or is it just me