GDC 2013: After Hours Livestream Spectacular - Part 02

Are you claiming that to have fun you need women to be naked? Because that makes you sound like a jerk. You can't see why people object to the idea of booth babes? At all? Really? It's not complex. A) It's advertising assholes selling their game short by assuming their game is so uninteresting that it needs breasts to make anyone pay attention. B) It's advertising assholes who think that gamers are lowest common denominator idiots who go wherever the titties are so they can leer, & then maybe catch sight of a game at the same time. I don't like being treated like an idiot personally & I'll judge something I see on merit. Maybe you are OK with that.

Never mind the fact that this shit is meant to be happening at professional trade shows & conventions which really says something about the games industry as immature. Would you see that at an Insurance Industry show? A cardboard manufacturer's show? No. So lets stop treating the games industry as if it is an over-sexed 15 year old boy.

Holy shit, Robert Ashely has lost a TON of weight.

Between Carrie whispering "shhh" to Jeff for no apparent reason, and Ryan bear-hugging Phil Fish, who seems fucking drunk at the end, this is one of the most heartwarming things I have seen on the internet in a while. Such a great show!

See, there is no contradiction in those things. At the end of the day you seeing a contradiction there only shows that you're kinda tone deaf. You can be edgy and funny and politically incorrect AND not be an asshole at the same time.

I think you accidentally stumbled on the core of the whole problem. I think there's a huge misunderstanding between those two things, that people out there are thinking that a call for not being an asshole means a call for being politically correct or boring. That's not the case. The more people figure out the difference the easier this transition to a more mature, more intelligent and, crucially, more fun industry this is going to be.

Do Europeans drink?

Yeah, though it's sad that a bunch of people are going to take their reply as a confirmation that there are no issues at all in this industry. It's great that there are studios where women are treated as any of the other employees. But this show had a sample size of two, and there are uncountable accounts of a very different treatment throughout the industry as a whole.

Cool talks, for sure. Really loved the music segment, especially since Danny B was there.

Also, always good to hear Carrie talking about video games outside of a PR perspective. I generally agree with her taste in games, at least from what I've seen of her back during the Gamespot days.

Oh, and Phil Fish is awesome. Not only was he really interesting to listen to during that segment, but that ending with the afro was incredible.

If anybody doesn't understand what Giant Bomb is about, I think I'll just show them this video. It perfectly encapsulates both the interesting discussion side of things and the fucking hilariously crazy side of things.

So much content, still haven't watched the panel...

Awesome content guys. The reason why I'm a premium member.

Not to mention there are plenty of women in the industry who have said things that back up what was said by the two people on the couch. It works both ways.

It's more of how he said it that was particularly off putting. I don't recall the exact quote but I think he said "Japanese games suck" or something equally as rude right to the guys face, and Japanese people are polite to a fault so you can imagine how jarring that was for the guy.

He isn't an asshole but he does have huge problems expressing himself properly and often comes of as one.

Moss in my bomb, my worlds are colliding.

I... sorta wish I had an interesting life like that guy. At least sometimes.

Oh and it was a delight seeing all these guests on the couch. Especially Carrie back at her old workplace! She would actually fit right in with the Bombcrew.

Edit: Phil Fish is such a freaking genius! So is Olly Moss. God, so many amazing people in one place!

@branthog: You're a goddamn saint, Branthog.

You got Phil Fish AND Olly Moss?!

Only on Giant Bomb the sober guy leaves the party without his dignity...

Everyone's got a different perspective. The views of Carrie and Stephanie don't discount the views of people like Anita Sarkeesian or Megan Marie. Carrie's reply isn't a "confirmation" of anything. She's just giving her opinion like anyone else. People on the internet are so concerned with declaring who's "right" and who's "wrong", which is what leads us down these pointless, useless arguments.

Man, you guys are crazy. Phil Fish is awesome.

That wee boy who did the Minecraft music is really cool in an awkward way.

I love the fact that so many intersting duders end up on Gaintbomb during GDC.

One of the all time great live streams, I can't believe how good the cake sitting story was.

Paul Barnett, I love you.

Also, Phil Fish is turning into such a hipster. Drinking out of a flask, come on man, no one that's out of high school thinks that's cool.

Awesome talks people, really interesting to listen to. In particular I loved the one about video game music :)

Carrie and Jeff look so cute together :3

I love you Carrie! You're my favorite videogame lady.

Phil Fish was wasted on this, the whole thing was hilarious to watch. The pie story was something else

Oh man how come no one tells @patrickklepek that he has all this weird shit on his chin upper lip, I know its the internet but you would think some one would be a friend and tell him he should clean his face of all that, dirt? Anywho good shit!

You can't generalize about an entire race of people and say, "That's not racist." That's literally the definition of racism. He is a racist. End of story.

So did you ever read the entire quote or did you just form an opinion based to what people claim he said? Because he caught himself and said that that was a really bad way to say it literally right after he made his comment about the Japanese game market.

So in your world you can't talk about the "German car industry" or "American entertainment industry", because that would be racist? That is not what that word means.

He is not generalising about an entire race of people, he is generalising about the current Japanese development community. He's not saying Japanese people can't develop good games, just that recent Japanese games aren't good. I don't agree with him, but I don't think its racist

Oh shit. Carrie Gouskos! Now that's another face I haven't seen since the old gamespot days.

"Notorious bigot" lol well done Phil.

Just started watching and wow, what an all-star cast already!

If someone is racist for thinking that the majority of a product a country makes is bad, then Japan is HELLA racist for not liking the xbox.

Shut up.

Big misshapen pillow

Paul Barnett tells the best stories. I could listen to him talk all day.

I love it when Patrick brings up the Minecraft tree because I am it's creator!!!!!

Wooo Bobito!

But those discussions are what moves it forward, if no one talks about it... how can it be fixed?

While I agree that it does get blown out, but there is some validity to talking about why aren't there more women protagonist or African American protagonist (one's that aren't just steroetypes), I know we can't change the world, but we need more people to say, 'Yo that's not cool, we don't stand for it..' and maybe more people inside the industry to open up.

It's a long process and it won't change soon, but I am glad that there are some people who aren't gonna let it fade into the background.

If said guitar player was shit talking the brand he was sponsored by at the time he was still under contract to them, I'd say no integrity was lost.

I also have a problem with Patrick generalizing a lot of gamers as opponents of the phrase "games are an art form".

I myself do think that games are an art form just a books, music or movies. It just seems to me that some indie developers (Phil Fish included) want to give the appearance that "they" are the ones making "art games" and most of the other games out there are "not art" but mindless entertainment for the gaming masses.

Frankly the whole attitude seems a bit elitist and an exercise in ego boosting.When in fact most of the indie developers just like the independence from the big publishers and want to do things their own way. This doesnt grant them any more integrity than the developers with bigger cash reserves. Bioshock Infinity is a good example of this. The game is art in its purest form.

I guess my initial post was pretty poorly worded. OK, this is all about anecdotes (and as they say, the plural of anecdotes is not data), and it's very possible gaming industry isn't more fucked up than any other industry, though the sexism seems to be more visible here than elsewhere. The sense I got from the GB chat yesterday (which was worse than usual), was that a bunch of people there thought "since she hasn't had any issues, there are no issues in the industry!". We have to be careful not to create a false sense of balance.

Obviously there are numerous problems when we try to assess the problems within the industry - there are several ways our views can get skewed - there are two opposing ways our perception can be biased, on the one hand, people who are content with the culture at their working place are much less likely to say that they don't have any issues than those who do, but on the other hand, those who have issues have much more to lose by speaking out about it - antagonizing their co-workers and boss, and becoming a public figure for the Internet to direct it's rage at.