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Posted by ZedsDeadBaby

Fun.

Posted by Elohym

Call me crazy. but I didn't find the Bitch part out of place. I mean, it is a common saying.

Posted by Crelio

I hate to see her leave, but I love to watch her go!

Posted by tgammet

There's seriously something wrong with the people at Rocksteady.

Posted by Paindamnation

@tgammet said:

There's seriously something wrong with the people at Rocksteady.

And I LOVE it.

Posted by Harkat

@Elohym said:

Call me crazy. but I didn't find the Bitch part out of place. I mean, it is a common saying.

Bump

Posted by Alex

@Elohym: Yeah, maybe so. Just feels like a very deliberate phrasing choice, given all the uproar over the whole language thing. If it is, I mean, awesome. Just pointing it out.

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Edited by artgarcrunkle

@Elohym said:

Call me crazy. but I didn't find the Bitch part out of place. I mean, it is a common saying.

I'm offended that you wouldn't make a self-absorbed show out of being offended. GJ misogynist.

I'm more upset about the character design. Looks more like someone you'd see at the gathering of Juggalos than Harley Quinn.

Posted by crimsonlordofwar

Ooooh... "Pay backs a Bitch" and Harley Quinn's a..Yes! I GET IT!

Posted by RenaissanceXD

Man, the posts by alex are really starting to bug me....those titles arghh

Posted by Nakiro
@tgammet

There's seriously something wrong with the people at Rocksteady.

Why?
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Posted by SolidOcelot

I know its not even out yet, but I want more single player Arkham City DLC. More villains maybe a new area, Please Rocksteady

Posted by TMThomsen

@RenaissanceXD: Yup. I called it was posted by Alex before clicking.

Posted by Johacamigames

I see nothing wrong with the b word there lol, I enjoyed it.. Did I mention she's hot?

Posted by Jadi1780

I guessing you still won't be able to use nightwing or robin in these chapters.

Posted by Y2Ken

Haha, yeah I'd say Alex is probably the staff member with the most easily-recognizable articles.

Also this seems cool.

Posted by MormonWarrior

@Jadi1780 said:

I guessing you still won't be able to use nightwing or robin in these chapters.

I believe, at least at the beginning, that you play primarily as Robin for this.

Posted by JohnDudebro

If they're willing to own this bitch thing and make it a joke, I might be on board.

Posted by PKHilson

So easy to tell this article was by Alex, herp derp!

Posted by Pop

I'm down for some more Batman.

Posted by paulwade1984

Arkham city bored me to tears and I'm sure this'll do the same. So I'll pass.

Posted by Elohym

@Alex: Well, you are obviously right. There is no way that this particular phrase is in there by coincidence. I just feel like I have bigger things to be offended about right now than kinda juvenile wordplays made by people with the obvious intention to either sound mega cool or stir up some shit.

Posted by HatKing
@Elohym

Call me crazy. but I didn't find the Bitch part out of place. I mean, it is a common saying.

That'd be similar to them having an Asian villian and saying something about a 'chink' in his armor. It's backhandedly offensive, and worse than coming out and saying something derogatory because it just makes it clear they know it's wrong. Even worse is how frivolously they toss around the word throughout the game, coupled with the total objectification of the female characters. I get it, it's a common word, and I'm not against asshole henchmen using it (it fits their character of being assholes), but maybe not throw it up in the fucking advertising for a cheap pun.
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Posted by Krystal_Sackful

@artgarcrunkle said:

@Elohym said:

Call me crazy. but I didn't find the Bitch part out of place. I mean, it is a common saying.

I'm offended that you wouldn't make a self-absorbed show out of being offended. GJ misogynist.

I'm more upset about the character design. Looks more like someone you'd see at the gathering of Juggalos than Harley Quinn.

It makes sense though. She is pretty down with the clown.

Posted by Maajin

@Krystal_Sackful said:

@artgarcrunkle said:

@Elohym said:

Call me crazy. but I didn't find the Bitch part out of place. I mean, it is a common saying.

I'm offended that you wouldn't make a self-absorbed show out of being offended. GJ misogynist.

I'm more upset about the character design. Looks more like someone you'd see at the gathering of Juggalos than Harley Quinn.

It makes sense though. She is pretty down with the clown.

Yeah, don't a Juggalo look like a fucked up clown that is mourning? They nailed it.

Posted by poheroe

ugh..Alex come on. really?

Posted by l3illyl3ob

"Payback's a bitch" and payback right now is in the form of Harley Quinn. It's not rocket science, guys. This is pretty damn offensive. It's no longer thugs overusing the word, but rocksteady themselves just straight up saying Harley Quinn is a bitch in their promotional material.

Posted by artgarcrunkle

@l3illyl3ob: It's deliberate poorly considered wordplay. They probably did it so overly sensitive people can make a big show out of how offended they are. You're hyping the game for them.

Posted by OneManX

Can't wait for this DLC.

Posted by xenphilos

And it's included in the GOTY version. Cool!

Posted by Heimdal

Payback doesn't mind getting called a bitch, so that's probably not over the line.

It'd be more inappropriate if they were all Payback's a bitch and so is Harley.

Posted by baconbringer

@l3illyl3ob: But why is that offensive? I don't think they are trying to say females are bitches, just her specifically. And if you can't call a villain of a comic book universe a bitch then what the fuck CAN you do?

Edited by Napalm

I must question what your morals are if you consider, "payback's a bitch," to be a sexist, offensive comment. It's a common phrase, and wordplay on the lead character that is bluntly fitting.

[Consider this as my formal apology for ever thinking, "chink in the armor," was racist and offensive.]

Posted by Fyrecroe

Maybe they ARE screwing with us. This might be self-referential... probably not.

Posted by Linkster7

I'm sorry but someone has to.

I've got 99 problems but being offended by game trailers using the word bitch ain't one

Posted by Daftasabat

If not for her voice, i soooo would

Posted by Supertom11

So how crazy, obnoxious and homicidal does a woman have to be before it's ok to call her a bitch?

Posted by zggurat
Edited by I_smell

I love Harley Quinn.

Not even a Batman fan. I think I'm on team Joker.

Posted by Deusoma
@zggurat said:

The problem isn't the trailer alone. The problem is that the trailer exists in the context of the accusations of sexism against the original game.

One post of many about this is here: http://filmcrithulk.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/goddammit-video-games-the-first-few-hours-of-arkham-city-is-lots-of-fun-but-super-duper-sexist/

The same writer does a follow-up on that article later, thoroughly taking down eighteen or so arguments against his perspective.

To be fair, that's not a good accusation of sexism. The author seems to be under the impression that the word "bitch" can only exist as a deliberate means of demeaning women, as opposed to, say, just another insult that gets mindlessly flung from the lips of a group of violent, low-minded thugs. Apart from Catwoman's questionable outfit, I didn't notice anything about Arkham City that was all that sexist.
Posted by Gerhabio

I don't know if I'd call Harley Quinn a bitch. She's annoying sure, but pretty harmless in comparison with other Batman villains. At least in the game.

She's kinda funny, even. Now, the Riddler, that guy's a bitch.

Posted by AMonkey

You know gamers have too much time on their hands, when they complain about calling an evil character, a bitch.

Posted by Equal_Opportunity_Destroyer497

Can't wait for this. More challenge rooms is not at all what I wanted for DLC, so hooray for narrative. Bitch.

Posted by Nightfang

@Linkster7 said:

I'm sorry but someone has to.

I've got 99 problems but being offended by game trailers using the word bitch ain't one

High Five, Sir!

Posted by theveej

Seriously people are offended by "payback's a bitch" line? Is this how sensitive people have gotten? a) it's just a phrase b) Harley is pretty big bitch all things considered c)it's rated T game, under the guidelines of ESRB they can utilize the word bitch in the video game. There are so many bigger issues in the world right now that focusing on such a mundane thing is utterly ridiculous. Internet, get outraged about the human massacre taking place in Syria, the gay marriage issue in the U.S, the potential collapse of EU; not the utilization of the world "bitch" in rated T game, where the character is by all means a definition of a bitch.

Sure do I think that Batman AC went a bit overboard with thugs calling catwoman a bitch left, right and centre? YES. Do I think it was overly offensive? NO.

Also MORE BATMAN HELL YEAH!!!!!!!

Posted by ZeroCast

That's not Harley Quinn. That's Harley Quinn after drinking some of Joker's blood.

Posted by zggurat

@Deusoma said:

@zggurat said:

The problem isn't the trailer alone. The problem is that the trailer exists in the context of the accusations of sexism against the original game.

One post of many about this is here: http://filmcrithulk.wordpress.com/2011/10/19/goddammit-video-games-the-first-few-hours-of-arkham-city-is-lots-of-fun-but-super-duper-sexist/

The same writer does a follow-up on that article later, thoroughly taking down eighteen or so arguments against his perspective.

To be fair, that's not a good accusation of sexism. The author seems to be under the impression that the word "bitch" can only exist as a deliberate means of demeaning women, as opposed to, say, just another insult that gets mindlessly flung from the lips of a group of violent, low-minded thugs. Apart from Catwoman's questionable outfit, I didn't notice anything about Arkham City that was all that sexist.

The problem goes deeper than just a few references and the questionable outfit though. The simple use of the word "bitch" doesn't damn someone or a work as sexist, it can be good or bad or character building or whatever in the right context, but the context Arkham City creates for the use goes pretty badly overboard. I played the game when it was released, so it's been a while, but I can recall lines referring to Catwoman (which were the worst, since they get repeated all the time if you play as her), Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, and even a random line about Vicki Vale I encountered while swinging around. I'm sure Talia also got one. Maybe Oracle never got called a bitch. And while the lines came overwhelmingly from villainous characters, there was one line from a cop, and now we have a line straight up out of the advertising material, leading to Alex's exasperation above.

At the very least, it's mind-numbingly lazy writing.

There's no way they never read about this controversy, so this ad is either an oversight from people who didn't care sufficiently enough to avoid the problem or an intentional reference from people who disagreed that this was problematic.

The arguments surrounding this go much farther than I've mentioned above, and I'd recommend to anyone who enjoys going down admittedly silly internet argument rabbit holes (oh no, a video game has some sexism in it, let's all be surprised,) to read that article I linked and its follow-up.

Edited by MeatSim

A false promise of revenge most likely.

Posted by 49th

Im so exited!l.qhwiksjdklgjdklfjdklfgjkldfjg

Posted by AngelN7

Ohhh you said the B-word Alex prepare to face Giantbomb PC army!

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