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Posted By namco51

Man, I remember losing my shit watching Tekken cinematics. Those were the days.

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Posted By GaspoweR

@zevvion said:

@gaspower said:

@zevvion said:

Also, also, Tekken 4 is the most underrated fighter ever.

Actually it's been pretty much abhorred by most of the Tekken community (not all) because the game was pretty much broken. There was a lot of exploits that can be done depending on character matchups and stages (e.g. infinites on wall splats, damage not being properly reduced as an exploit, etc.) and the the change or the tweaking of mechanics was pretty much at fault for that. Character balance was also out of whack IIRC.

I believe you, and while I win a good amount of matches online with Tekken, I am by no means an expert at the game. I never found those balancing issues you mention. I had a lot of fun with the game. It was really good for me.

Oh yeah, I didn't mean broken wherein the game was completely unplayable but broken in a sense that it was messed up from a competitive or tournament standpoint. :)

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Posted By GaspoweR

@ptys said:

@dragonboss said:
@ptys said:

Tekken mechanics need a change if they want to catch up to Street Fighter.

Catch up? Last I checked, Tekken's mechanics were more advanced than SF, an it requires way more skill, which is why there are fewer players

Really? Well back in my day of Tekken 2 and 3 is used to be about preset button combinations which you had to memorise. I just assumed they stuck with that as some of my old Paul Phoenix and Nina 10 hit pieces still worked on 5?.. last time I played (apart from Tag 2 Demo). Street Fighter to me is more improvisational in terms of reads and combinations... am I wrong about this?

While there are pre-set strings you have to know, a lot of them can be cancelled, have a mix-up variation, crush properties(i.e. some highs or lows will be negated by a high or low crush). You can also simply sidestep a move or use a homing move to punish a sidestep.

The main bread and butter in Tekken is movement, blocking and punishing moves(if you can, because certain characters can't be punished regularly), otherwise, it is either mixing up your opponent to crouch and punish by launch, or locking them down with guard-stun moves which they will either have to back-dash away from or sidestep.

The 10-hit strings are mostly the same for nostalgia probably, but they are easy to defend against and punish severely.

There are certain parts of a 10-string that have its uses but yes it is mostly for novelties sake, but even in a tournament setting you can bust out a ten string if you know the opponent doesn't know the matchup at all or does not know the sequence but its also pretty disrespectful if you do that.

Also to say the Tekkens mechanics are more advanced than SF isn't necessarily true, its just more complicated. Sure the move lists are much larger per character but that's a result of it being a legacy series that kept carrying over and adding mechanics over the years and never rebooted with every numbered entry. Does it make it more advanced than SF? Not necessarily. It just carries a stigma of being harder to get into because it never really caught on in the US as much as Capcom fighters have over the years and thus with every new edition, it just added more stuff and more matchups to master and consider, thus the incentive to get into the game became less and less.

Don't get me wrong, I love Tekken. I don't play fighting games much anymore but Tekken was the only one that I got into seriously albeit not on a competitive level but just enough to play it competently.

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Posted By dragonboss

@ptys: Think of juggles the same way specials and ultras work in SF, except you can modify how far they go and what they do. The highest damage you can do will come from a juggle unless you manage to land Miguel's unblockable.

You can modify your juggle to take red life, for max juggle damage, reset, bait for relaunch, or for a wall carry(extending the range so the opponent hits a wall) so you can do even more damage.

Since you haven't played for a while you might be foreign to these things when they happen and it may just look like they are in suspended animation, but it is the player skill that keeps them there, since you have only a limited number of hits depending on the move to juggle. You also have to factor in the angle of the opponent, because some moves won't hit.

I have seen juggles longer that the ones in Tekken in SF and MvC, so I don't really get the aversion to them. Some players don't rely on juggles and rather like to poke you to death.

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Posted By ptys

@dragonboss: Ok interesting. Personally from a spectator POV and being an ex-Tekken player SF4 is far more entertaining to watch. The constant juggling in Tekken makes the game look like its on rails as you have these long one sided juggles with the opponent suspended in a fall animation for half the match. Of course that is just my opinion.

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Posted By Rekt_Hed

Better be bringing back Gon!

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Posted By Zevvion

@gaspower said:

@zevvion said:

Also, also, Tekken 4 is the most underrated fighter ever.

Actually it's been pretty much abhorred by most of the Tekken community (not all) because the game was pretty much broken. There was a lot of exploits that can be done depending on character matchups and stages (e.g. infinites on wall splats, damage not being properly reduced as an exploit, etc.) and the the change or the tweaking of mechanics was pretty much at fault for that. Character balance was also out of whack IIRC.

I believe you, and while I win a good amount of matches online with Tekken, I am by no means an expert at the game. I never found those balancing issues you mention. I had a lot of fun with the game. It was really good for me.

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Edited By dragonboss

@ptys said:

@dragonboss said:
@ptys said:

Tekken mechanics need a change if they want to catch up to Street Fighter.

Catch up? Last I checked, Tekken's mechanics were more advanced than SF, an it requires way more skill, which is why there are fewer players

Really? Well back in my day of Tekken 2 and 3 is used to be about preset button combinations which you had to memorise. I just assumed they stuck with that as some of my old Paul Phoenix and Nina 10 hit pieces still worked on 5?.. last time I played (apart from Tag 2 Demo). Street Fighter to me is more improvisational in terms of reads and combinations... am I wrong about this?

While there are pre-set strings you have to know, a lot of them can be cancelled, have a mix-up variation, crush properties(i.e. some highs or lows will be negated by a high or low crush). You can also simply sidestep a move or use a homing move to punish a sidestep.

The main bread and butter in Tekken is movement, blocking and punishing moves(if you can, because certain characters can't be punished regularly), otherwise, it is either mixing up your opponent to crouch and punish by launch, or locking them down with guard-stun moves which they will either have to back-dash away from or sidestep.

The 10-hit strings are mostly the same for nostalgia probably, but they are easy to defend against and punish severely.

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Posted By Accolade

Someone got a little Fatal Frame footage in the Tekken trailer.

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Posted By mrfluke

@boozak said:
@razielcuts said:

@mrfluke said:

kind of said that its the last tekken,

I'm sure this isn't the last Tekken, all it says is 'The Final Battle.' I imagine thats just wrapping up the Mishima legacy storyline. Heihachi, Kazuya or both will probably end up being killed. And Jin will keep on being Jin, the megalomaniac that he is. Or Jin could be killed too just to wrap everything up entirely, who knows.

The real question is, what is Tekken without those guys? I hope they shake things up in this, it's been effectively the same game remade since 3 really.

Isnt "Welcome to the final battle" just a dumb thing they say in Tekken all the time?

no its more "Welcome to the king of iron fist tournament"

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Edited By GaspoweR

@zevvion said:

Also, also, Tekken 4 is the most underrated fighter ever.

Actually it's been pretty much abhorred by most of the Tekken community (not all) because the game was pretty much broken. There was a lot of exploits that can be done depending on character matchups and stages (e.g. infinites on wall splats, damage not being properly reduced as an exploit, etc.) and the the change or the tweaking of mechanics was pretty much at fault for that. Character balance was also out of whack IIRC.

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Posted By colmarr

@scarbearer: maybe that is why you are into it. Batshit crazy in a awesome way.

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Posted By ptys

@ptys said:

Tekken mechanics need a change if they want to catch up to Street Fighter.

Catch up? Last I checked, Tekken's mechanics were more advanced than SF, an it requires way more skill, which is why there are fewer players

Really? Well back in my day of Tekken 2 and 3 is used to be about preset button combinations which you had to memorise. I just assumed they stuck with that as some of my old Paul Phoenix and Nina 10 hit pieces still worked on 5?.. last time I played (apart from Tag 2 Demo). Street Fighter to me is more improvisational in terms of reads and combinations... am I wrong about this?

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Posted By SupberUber

Unreal engine?

ugh...

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Posted By dragonboss
@ptys said:

Tekken mechanics need a change if they want to catch up to Street Fighter.

Catch up? Last I checked, Tekken's mechanics were more advanced than SF, an it requires way more skill, which is why there are fewer players

Tekken X Street Fighter officially dead.

Harada himself confirmed they are still working on it. Ask him on twitter, he will reiterate this.

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Posted By kagato

@gaspower said:

@zabant said:

Still, new Tekken! That's exciting!

Is it?

Is it really?

Well, I'm excited!

Me too, i love me some Tekken

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Posted By Xymox

Much more curious to see how they'd handle Street Fighter Characters with their 3D engine. Tekken as a fighting game no longer interest me. It used to up until 5. Then Dark Resurrection, 6 and Tag came out and I kind of grew tired of it. So I really wanted to see how they were gonna handle all the characters in their system. Had been waiting for it for so long, and now the dream is most likely dead.

I still hope though.

Same here. I fell off the Tekken-train after 5. I still play the free-to-play PS3 one from time to time but more as a curiosity at this point than anything else. I ended up getting way into Skullgirls instead, for whatever reason.

I would probably play TekkenxSF but what I really want to know is when Ed Boon is gonna make MK v Tekken v Street Fighter v Dave Lang's Killer Instinct.

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Posted By Ravelle

@ravelle said:

@cloudyimpulse said:

@corruptedevil said:

Tekken X Street Fighter officially dead.

Makes me sad.

Out of curiosity, why do you want to see them together so much?

Much more curious to see how they'd handle Street Fighter Characters with their 3D engine. Tekken as a fighting game no longer interest me. It used to up until 5. Then Dark Resurrection, 6 and Tag came out and I kind of grew tired of it. So I really wanted to see how they were gonna handle all the characters in their system. Had been waiting for it for so long, and now the dream is most likely dead.

I still hope though.

Ah I see, Street Fighter isn't dead though so there's a chance SFV will have a new engine.

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Edited By Miketorreza

7ekken

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Posted By BoOzak

@mrfluke said:

kind of said that its the last tekken,

I'm sure this isn't the last Tekken, all it says is 'The Final Battle.' I imagine thats just wrapping up the Mishima legacy storyline. Heihachi, Kazuya or both will probably end up being killed. And Jin will keep on being Jin, the megalomaniac that he is. Or Jin could be killed too just to wrap everything up entirely, who knows.

The real question is, what is Tekken without those guys? I hope they shake things up in this, it's been effectively the same game remade since 3 really.

Isnt "Welcome to the final battle" just a dumb thing they say in Tekken all the time? I agree with you about Tekken 3 feeling like the biggest step forward in the franchise. Much like Soul Calibur the franchise hasnt really evolved much like other have fighters have. Some would say it doesnt need to which is fine I guess. But at the same time if they fuck it up by making it too different they can always revert back to something more familiar. Just like Street Fighter, Virtua Fighter and Mortal Kombat have done.

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Posted By cloudyimpulse

@ravelle said:

@cloudyimpulse said:

@corruptedevil said:

Tekken X Street Fighter officially dead.

Makes me sad.

Out of curiosity, why do you want to see them together so much?

Much more curious to see how they'd handle Street Fighter Characters with their 3D engine. Tekken as a fighting game no longer interest me. It used to up until 5. Then Dark Resurrection, 6 and Tag came out and I kind of grew tired of it. So I really wanted to see how they were gonna handle all the characters in their system. Had been waiting for it for so long, and now the dream is most likely dead.

I still hope though.

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Posted By KikkomanSA

no king no buy

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Posted By EuanDewar

Numbered Tekkens always make me raise my head. Very interested in this.

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Posted By Mr_Creeper
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I think Tekken is the only thing that will make me buy a ps4, I love it so <3 <3

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Posted By friendlypossum

well....that showed me nothing

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Posted By ptys

Tekken mechanics need a change if they want to catch up to Street Fighter.

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Posted By Phoenix87

No gameplay footage, no point.

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Posted By zombiemantra

I wish the Tekken games would get PC releases. I'm missing out :(

(I really like Tekken. Don't make fun of meeeeee!)

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Posted By Reisz

Yeah that's the spirit, complain about no gameplay when for the first time since Tekken 3 we get story cinematics that appear to be worth watching.

Man, the thought of a properly cinematic story mode has me all hot and bothered.

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Edited By Itwastuesday

i am Excited

i wonder if they'll get a soundalike for daisuke gouri for heihachi's voice

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Posted By gaffyh

Dat voice acting....errr

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Posted By pingolobo

This ain't\ Capcom. If they say final it is final. They only have to also do the TekkenxStreetFighter but that is another project.

I love Tekken but their sales keep going down and they have tried Free-to-play but it ain't catching on. I am hyped for this, though

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Posted By Toug

I just bought Street Fighter x Tekken last night because it was on sale.

That is all.

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Edited By csl316

Can't wait, Tekken just keeps grabbing me every time a new one arrives.

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Edited By Hunter5024

@paulunga: Yes I gave TTT2 my game of the year that year, it was excellent. But after a game like that, I don't feel like they have anywhere to go. It had just about every major character, alive or dead. How do you top that? I don't think they can just add a few new characters and call it a day like they usually do. Then there was that crazy story mode in 6, which left very few loose ends. I suppose I say they're in a weird spot because I have no idea what this game is going to look like. But that's exciting in a way too.

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Edited By Ett

Tekken is my least favourite fighting games series. But i am very interested to see what they will do with 7. Tekken is the only series that hasn't going back to the drawing board. And even the Tekken player say its time. They are not getting new players into TTT2 and 6 before that. Will it be arcade first like 5 and 6?

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Posted By Zevvion

I'm not huge on fighting games, but I really like Tekken. It's my favorite fighter for sure. Also, I played all of them, which is pretty crazy to say at this point. Also, also, Tekken 4 is the most underrated fighter ever. Yeah, it didn't have a ton of fighters, but it was really good. I actually liked it better than Tekken 5. It felt better. Tekken 6 was good.

Looking forward to this. Will definitely buy.

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Posted By Ravelle

@corruptedevil said:

Tekken X Street Fighter officially dead.

Makes me sad.

Out of curiosity, why do you want to see them together so much?

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Posted By cloudyimpulse

Tekken X Street Fighter officially dead.

Makes me sad.

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Posted By paulunga

@hunter5024: What do you mean by weird spot? I guess that free-to-play game and the SFxT clusterfuck? Tekken Tag 2 was amazing though. Probably the best Tekken ever.

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@hunter5024: Yeah me too, boy I hope it's good, last time I played Tekken was on PSP and it was great, and I do not enjoy fighting games that much.

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Posted By wjb

@infinitegeass said:

Call me a crazy person, but the only thing I've ever cared about in the Tekken games is the story.

I'm right there with you dude.... I don't know why, I don't even really know how, but somewhere along the line I got way into the Tekken story despite how batshit crazy it is.

I enjoyed the story up until 3. I didn't play Tekken 4 because it came out during a time when I didn't play video games at school. I played a lot of 5, but I kind of spaced on the story.

I didn't play 6.

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Posted By BabyChooChoo

@tekzero said:

God I hope this comes to the PC. Slim chance, I know.. but I can dream, can't I?

I don't have any consoles anymore.

Doesn't seem like such a crazy dream. Should be a relatively simple port and Namco Bandai is no stranger to PC development. I'll probably pick it up for PS4 regardless, but, hell, I certainly hope it comes to PC too in this day and age.

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Edited By scarbearer

Call me a crazy person, but the only thing I've ever cared about in the Tekken games is the story.

I'm right there with you dude.... I don't know why, I don't even really know how, but somewhere along the line I got way into the Tekken story despite how batshit crazy it is.

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Posted By mrfluke

@mrfluke said:

kind of said that its the last tekken,

I'm sure this isn't the last Tekken, all it says is 'The Final Battle.' I imagine thats just wrapping up the Mishima legacy storyline. Heihachi, Kazuya or both will probably end up being killed. And Jin will keep on being Jin, the megalomaniac that he is. Or Jin could be killed too just to wrap everything up entirely, who knows.

The real question is, what is Tekken without those guys? I hope they shake things up in this, it's been effectively the same game remade since 3 really.

Probably right, but yea thats the better question, what will be tekken without the cursed insane mishimas? Heihachi is practically the face of tekken id say.

Harada seems like a smart guy, im sure he knows what to do with tekken.

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Posted By mus209
@gaspower said:

@zabant said:

Still, new Tekken! That's exciting!

Is it?

Is it really?

Well, I'm excited!


Me too. Can't wait to sink my teeth into a next gen Tekken.

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