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Here's All the Stuff Being Added to Ultra Street Fighter IV

"Maybe this will finally be the one that I take seriously enough to get good at," he says to himself while staring at the various other versions of Street Fighter IV he'd bought while thinking the exact same thing.

Dec. 14 2013

Posted by: Alex

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Ultra Street Fighter IV

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@gaspower: the video showed you could buy the upgrade for SSF4 or buy it separately. With GFW closing shop, i guessing you can't buy the upgrade on GFW? so what happens to those who bought the GFW version of SSF4. do tell me we have to buy full game again. no way i will do that.

best case scenario, we get to add the key to steam like bioshock2 did

worst case scenario, buy full at 75% or better sale

alternate scenario, let's play SF4 & SSF4AE gfwl versions until the very end if we cant migrate them, i'm EST time zone

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@zhabermann said:
@hashbrowns said:

@zhabermann said:

@aegon said:

Can I pretend Poison always was and is a woman?

well sure, if you're a gross transphobe who actually has to pretend that trans women are women

How long have you been a gross phobophobe who actually has to demean people who don't conform to your personal morality?

so sorry for bigotshaming! you're right, i should accept everyone, no matter how shitty and close-minded they are!

Accepting someone is not the same as accepting their morals, beliefs or views. There are instances where accepting someone might seem you're accepting the morals accompanying them. I might have voted on Kerry and you on Obama, but we could still be friends. I suppose you don't let would-be friends take a questionaire on every touchy subject, or do you?

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They need to make a new Street Fighter rather than continuously re-working this engine. Oh ok so its an update... well that's ok then.

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@trafalgarlaw said:

Accepting someone is not the same as accepting their morals, beliefs or views. There are instances where accepting someone might seem you're accepting the morals accompanying them. I might have voted on Kerry and you on Obama, but we could still be friends. I suppose you don't let would-be friends take a questionaire on every touchy subject, or do you?

so by this logic i should also accept the beliefs of racists, murderers and pedophiles? i do not have to respect any opinion that i find morally objectionable.

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@zhabermann said:

as if any of this negates the transphobia in the original remark

But is it truly transphobic? You assume he pretends Poison was a woman to begin with so he can ignore the existence of transsexuality, but hey, he could also assume she's a woman because of the confusing transsexual background of Poison. Poison is originally designed as a woman but retconned into a transsexual post-op woman, pretty confusing to me. Now that feminists aren't a big threat, shouldn't Capcom stick with the original artist's vision (that was altered due to fear)? It's not a big deal either way but it's kinda like Leo in Tekken 6.

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Poison originally was a woman in the original Arcade game. When the game was ported to the SNES, Capcom made Poison and Roxie into Billy and Sid. Why Capcom decided to make Poison a transsexual rather than just make her a woman again is beyond me, but that's the history. Oh, and Hugo was originally Andore.

As far as the game itself, I follow the FGC and Capcom is doing North American beta testing on the game while updating it before release. I was able to see quite a bit of it being played by pros and I like the new changes and the new characters added. And I can't wait to see who the new never before used fifth character is.

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@trafalgarlaw said:

Accepting someone is not the same as accepting their morals, beliefs or views. There are instances where accepting someone might seem you're accepting the morals accompanying them. I might have voted on Kerry and you on Obama, but we could still be friends. I suppose you don't let would-be friends take a questionaire on every touchy subject, or do you?

so by this logic i should also accept the beliefs of racists, murderers and pedophiles? i do not have to respect any opinion that i find morally objectionable.

Did you seriously compare an offhand comment on the sex of a fictional game character to murder and rape? Please remove your head from your ass before you make yourself look worse.

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@hadoken101 said:

Did you seriously compare an offhand comment on the sex of a fictional game character to murder and rape? Please remove your head from your ass before you make yourself look worse.

no, i did not compare the original remark to that, i was saying that's what trafalgarlaw's "accept all beliefs" argument amounted to.

this is much less about the gender of a video game character and more about the transphobic remarks that always pop up. i will take your advice on one thing and bounce, because at some point i have to realize that arguing with gamers is like a dog chasing its tail.

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@zhabermann said:
@trafalgarlaw said:

Accepting someone is not the same as accepting their morals, beliefs or views. There are instances where accepting someone might seem you're accepting the morals accompanying them. I might have voted on Kerry and you on Obama, but we could still be friends. I suppose you don't let would-be friends take a questionaire on every touchy subject, or do you?

so by this logic i should also accept the beliefs of racists, murderers and pedophiles? i do not have to respect any opinion that i find morally objectionable.

Please read the bolded, nowhere did I say you should accept anyone's beliefs. I only said you should show a little respect when replying someone on a forum, who in your eyes, is transphobic (which is a grave accusation). It's not 100% proven he had the intent to be transphobic with that comment.

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Please read the bolded, nowhere did I say you should accept anyone's beliefs. I only said you should show a little respect when replying someone on a forum, who in your eyes, is transphobic (which is a grave accusation). It's not 100% proven he had the intent to be transphobic with that comment.

maybe i did jump the gun, but it sure came off that way to me. if it wasn't rooted in transphobia, i don't see why her gender would be an issue to him at all.

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Really sucking this one dry, eh Capcom? :/

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Really sucking this one dry, eh Capcom? :/

Fans want it like myself. For people that having been playing this game for 5 years now, it's still nice to have some new content.

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Am I the only one who kinda thinks online training could be a big deal? If a hand full of elite players could actual train with people who want to learn to play well *holds up hand*, but don't know the hows and whys, it could be huge. In a perfect world it would be earth shattering.

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I would buy this if it came out on PS4

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@gaspower: the video showed you could buy the upgrade for SSF4 or buy it separately. With GFW closing shop, i guessing you can't buy the upgrade on GFW? so what happens to those who bought the GFW version of SSF4. do tell me we have to buy full game again. no way i will do that.

That is probably the most likely scenario though did you buy it from GFW or did you buy from Steam? Even then I'm sure the full version would most likely be $40 like Super or you can wait for it to go on sale later.

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Disappointed its not called Ultra Super Street Fighter 4.

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@animasta: In terms of gender identity right? I was kinda thinking of her AAB I mean but I think someone in the comments already answered my question.

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Female, not in a fighting game, fuck who is it Capcom?

Nilin?

Also lol at this thread devolving into another trans-tastrophe. I'm sooo hype for Poison.

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Poison is fun as hell to play. Just got back from CapcomCup. For my fellow Bison players he is not dead, he got some good stuff.

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my fanboyism is going day one purchase, but my rational side is going "don't you have enough SF4?"

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Female, not in a fighting game, fuck who is it Capcom?

Nilin?

Also lol at this thread devolving into another trans-tastrophe. I'm sooo hype for Poison.

I freaking love Poison.

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Elena!!!!! NO longer a poor man's Chun!!!!!

Get Hype!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Go Eight Arc!!!!! Qanba 2 & up are all vastly superior to filthy Madcatz, except a SFxT VS Stick..... Those are pretty good.....

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@aegon said:

Can I pretend Poison always was and is a woman?

I'd hit it either way.

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Still not talking about that 5th character, eh Capcom? If it isn't Mega Man (not BBA style) or something, then what in the hell are they waiting for?

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Really sucking this one dry, eh Capcom? :/

If by sucking this one dry you mean, continuously expanding and improving the game to keep it fresh and interesting for its dedicated fanbase then sure.

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@ultimaxe said:

Still not talking about that 5th character, eh Capcom? If it isn't Mega Man (not BBA style) or something, then what in the hell are they waiting for?

They talked about it. Ono said it's a female character and the rumors of R. Mika, Haggar and Retsu are false.

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@dilbyo: Red Focus requires two meters to use, so you can't just spam it. And when you use Ultra Combo Double, the maximum damage you can do is 60% of the max damage you would do if you chose one Ultra by itself. So it becomes a decision of whether having options or damage is more important to you.

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I want to play this because I love Poison but I am so behind on Street Fighter that I'll probably have no fun getting my ass kicked as I struggle to understand anything

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I will wait for the Superduper Ultra edition.

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I'm excited for this and i'm not even going to play it. I'm just excited to see if anyone on the FGC picks up the new characters and how the new systems are implemented during high-level matches.

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@michigan_jack: You can't go wrong with hori sticks, madcatz stick or bigben sticks.

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Not everything new, WHERE'S THE FIFTH CHARACTER????

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@zhabermann said:
@hashbrowns said:

@zhabermann said:

@aegon said:

Can I pretend Poison always was and is a woman?

well sure, if you're a gross transphobe who actually has to pretend that trans women are women

How long have you been a gross phobophobe who actually has to demean people who don't conform to your personal morality?

so sorry for bigotshaming! you're right, i should accept everyone, no matter how shitty and close-minded they are!

@trafalgarlaw said:

Sigh...here we go again.

Poison's first appearance in Final Fight featured her and a palette swap character named Roxy as recurring minor enemies for the player to fight. Named after the band by an unnamed female employee at Capcom, she was designed by Akira Yasuda to contrast against the bigger characters in the game and move about randomly. The characters were originally planned to be normal females, but were changed to transsexual females due to the suggestion that "hitting women was considered rude" in America and the concern that feminist groups would sue.

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I can't believe I'm actually discussing the gender of a fictional character but evenmore in people taking offense in that someone pretends she's (according to Capcom) a she.

as if any of this negates the transphobia in the original remark

I dont know why im stepping in because its pretty clear you're not interested in educating, you live in your echo chamber preaching to a choir of like-minded angry people looking for an excuse to box other people in without any sense of irony and then just attack people, as if that's the way people learn. But since you went down this road I'd say treating a transgender person as if they've always been the new gender is appropriate since they've been that way in their head, often, their entire life. But don't let that get in the way of your "these cis scum and their heteronormative blah". You're making this discussion an argument because you have no interest in informing people, you just want to start shit. So shut up.

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Elimination mode is awesome. I hope tournaments pick it up for team play.

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I own vanilla and super, I'm probably going to buy arcade, arcade 2013 and this as soon as I start my new job. Owning this game 5 times is hilarious to me.

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Thank you based Capcom, may SFIV live forever! I look forward to ver. 2015 when Elena and Makoto have to be nerfed :D

They should have mentioned the complete re-balance and 5th character in this trailer. Also I hope the new characters get trial modes, coz that always bugged me that Yun, Yang, E.Ryu and Oni don't have them, and everyone else's are based on their Super SFIV versions not AE.

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@gunsaredrawn: Yea there are PC players, I was playing SSF Arcade online earlier today. Probably has a longer life too considering a lot of people are going to be upgrading to the new systems eventually.

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People are still buying this shit?

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@spiritof said:

Am I the only one who kinda thinks online training could be a big deal? If a hand full of elite players could actual train with people who want to learn to play well *holds up hand*, but don't know the hows and whys, it could be huge. In a perfect world it would be earth shattering.

Online training is a very neat idea. I remember helping my friend learn Tekken Tag Tournament 2 through online training which is fun. It's a great way to directly communicate with someone for learning benefits.

@vrikk said:

People are still buying this shit?

Yes "people are still buying this shit." Aside from the additional content, the updates provide longevity to the competitive cycle. Players who seriously play the game, which is a lot, will find much worth in playing Ultra. For example, a player who might use a character who has a deficiency/deficiencies towards another character or the overall game might have an adjustment(s) to help them with the outcome of matches. In the competitive realm, these adjustments do show.

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They talked about the fifth character at CapcomCup this weekend. The fifth character is indeed female, but they also said the character has never been used in a fighting game series before. So think of a Capcom character from another franchise. Maybe Kat from Breath of Fire 2. It wouldn't make sense, but it's possible.

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hey guys I got a good idea, lets release the same game 4 times!

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@dilbyo said:

1. why would i ever not red focus? just absorb all their hits and bam

2. why would i ever use 1 ultra instead of 2

checkmate

1. Presumably has some EX meter cost, and/or longer startup frames. So you will have to use it skillfully.

2. Not sure if you're familiar with the systems in the game or not, but they added a second ultra move to every character in Super SFIV, so up until now you decided which of the ultras you wanted to bring into the match. Basically picking your loadout. One isn't necessarily better than the other.

I'm guessing you got confused by the two bars in the ultra meter. As far as I know they aren't adjusting that part of it, so you'll still need at least 50% of the full bar (one of the two bars) to be able to start the ultra, and then it scales damage with the more meter you have.

Buuuut yeah, should be interesting to see how that red focus works. I'm psyched for absorbing through somebody's ultra. Plus having access to both ultras just makes sense because all the inputs are different anyways, so there was never any overlap. Adds a lot more strategy this way now.

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I don't care how many bells and whistles they slap on sf4. Capcom ain't getting my money.

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@zhabermann said:

@aegon said:

Can I pretend Poison always was and is a woman?

well sure, if you're a gross transphobe who actually has to pretend that trans women are women

Sigh...here we go again.

Poison's first appearance in Final Fight featured her and a palette swap character named Roxy as recurring minor enemies for the player to fight. Named after the band by an unnamed female employee at Capcom, she was designed by Akira Yasuda to contrast against the bigger characters in the game and move about randomly. The characters were originally planned to be normal females, but were changed to transsexual females due to the suggestion that "hitting women was considered rude" in America and the concern that feminist groups would sue.

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I can't believe I'm actually discussing the gender of a fictional character but evenmore in people taking offense in that someone pretends she's (according to Capcom) a she.

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Well, except for in the original character designs Poison was designated "New-half". Which is apparently Japanese slang for tranny.

But what the fuck does it matter what's between her legs? It's clearly a woman, why complicate matters?