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Posted by Trilogy

Giant bomb, it's a website about meetings! I mean...video games!

Edited by HerbieBug

Japan knows how to do good coffee, rest assured. If I am not mistaken, they were the spark that started the recent manual pour-over craze. The only part of my daily coffee brewing equipment that is not of Japanese make are the beans themselves and the grinder i grind them with.

Posted by Carousel

@Animasta said:

@EnduranceFun said:

@Animasta said:

@EnduranceFun said:

Great, get Patrick to sit down with Swery, the only one of the five who didn't ER Deadly Premonition, and the worst sit-down interviewer of the entire site. How can Vinny not be part of the Gilbert or Swery interviews when he's one of the biggest fans of both? Vinny and Ryan were definitely the most interested in DP... oh well.

http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/patrickklepek/games/?page=3

first game on that page

oh wait but I guess facts don't matter to you, do they?

Oh he's played it... that doesn't disprove anything I said.

Patrick is at least more interested in DP than Ryan and you are mistaking Vinny's natural enthusiasm for good (er, interesting) storytelling as being super invested in the storyline.

DP is patrick territory through and through, though, and I didn't really need to see him play to know that.

also you saying he's the worst sit down interviewer of the site doesn't really mean much since you don't like him anyway.

You think he calls anyone an asshole in this one?

Edited by EnduranceFun

@Animasta said:

@EnduranceFun said:

@Animasta said:

@EnduranceFun said:

Great, get Patrick to sit down with Swery, the only one of the five who didn't ER Deadly Premonition, and the worst sit-down interviewer of the entire site. How can Vinny not be part of the Gilbert or Swery interviews when he's one of the biggest fans of both? Vinny and Ryan were definitely the most interested in DP... oh well.

http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/patrickklepek/games/?page=3

first game on that page

oh wait but I guess facts don't matter to you, do they?

Oh he's played it... that doesn't disprove anything I said.

Patrick is at least more interested in DP than Ryan and you are mistaking Vinny's natural enthusiasm for good (er, interesting) storytelling as being super invested in the storyline.

DP is patrick territory through and through, though, and I didn't really need to see him play to know that.

Ryan was far more invested in DP's story than Jeff or Brad. Vinny genuinely liked the game considering he applauded it at the credits and argued York for best character when it came to GotY.

Unless every Japanese or indie game is 'Patrick territory,' no. Also ignored is the fact that four people played through the entirety of the game on the site for the viewers, and only one of them is in the interview.

It's honestly a bit pathetic how Patrick forces himself into every piece of content he can and his fans then defend him even if another staff member would've been a far more reasonable choice.

Posted by Neonie

I have no association with the previous DMC games. But goddamn did I love Ninja Theory's DmC. I would gladly buy a sequel.

Posted by DrBeardface

"I don't like BULLSHIT."

Giant Bomb, making the tough choices.

Posted by bdhurkett

I was especially interested in this one, seeing as I'd never heard of that energy drink and... I live in Tasmania. It would be a shame if I'd been missing out on it all this time. Let's hope it wasn't as cancerous as the real devils are turning out to be?

Posted by envane

@EnduranceFun: DAMN THAT PATRICK FORCING HIS WAY INTO EVERYTHING ... INCLUDING MY HEART ... DAMN HIM FOR HAVING MORE PR SKILLS THAN THE REMAINING GB CREW COMBINED ... DAMN HIM DAMN HIM DAMN HIM ... I WANT MY MTV

Posted by RVonE

@envane: I chuckled.

Posted by EnduranceFun

@SWIPSTER said:

@gladspooky: @gladspooky said:

@EvilKatarn said:

@EnduranceFun said:

Great, get Patrick to sit down with Swery, the only one of the five who didn't ER Deadly Premonition, and the worst sit-down interviewer of the entire site. How can Vinny not be part of the Gilbert or Swery interviews when he's one of the biggest fans of both? Vinny and Ryan were definitely the most interested in DP... oh well.

Yeah, this is fucking nonsense.

The original Swery interview is one of my favorite pieces of content on the site, just heartwarming stuff.

I can't imagine it turning out that good with Klepek there.

Patrick: "HEY HOW COME YOU GAME SO JAPANESE?!"

Swery: *annoyed glare*

Patrick: "IS THIS EMBLEMATIC OF GAMING TROPES?"

Swery: [in Japanese:] "How does he make typos when he's speaking?"

Patrick: "HEY I PLAYED A GAME ONCE, IT CALLED X-FILES."

Swery: *surprised look, nods approvingly*

this is now cannon.

Agreed.

Posted by Carousel

@envane said:

@EnduranceFun: DAMN THAT PATRICK FORCING HIS WAY INTO EVERYTHING ... INCLUDING MY HEART ... DAMN HIM FOR HAVING MORE PR SKILLS THAN THE REMAINING GB CREW COMBINED ... DAMN HIM DAMN HIM DAMN HIM ... I WANT MY MTV

Calling guests assholes doesn't seem very skilled to me. They must teach that in a higher level PR class.

Posted by Vaancor

Come to Tazmania, come to Tazmania, we're going down down......we mean you! RAHWAHRAHRUAHRUAGARH Pffft! :P

Edited by Voladric

@mnzy said:

@mutha3 said:

Hasn't DmC been selling poorly compared to DMC4? It's no skin off my back either way, because Bayonetta exists, but I thought that was the case

@golguin said:
@Brad please skip dmc2 and continue dmc1 or jump into dmc3.
this

Everything sells bad right now. It was on top of several national sales charts and was very well received overall. It will do fine.

Being at the top of a weekly chart when there hasn't been a major release in almost two months doesn't amount to much. In Japan DmC sold less than half of what DMC4 did, in the UK it was only a third (and dropped 64% in its second week), in Ireland it debuted at #7 and was out of the top 20 in its second week. We won't know US sales until the NPD release in a few weeks, but it isn't promising from the charts on online retailers. Earlier today, both versions weren't in the top 400 video games.

I don't know why the Giant Bomb crew has this idea that Devil May Cry was a dead franchise and DmC is reviving it. Not sure if that's just what they've been fed by Capcom PR people or what, but it's Capcom's fourth largest franchise. DMC4 was the best selling in the series, and so far it doesn't look like DmC will get anywhere close.

Edited by Octaslash

@Carousel said:

@envane said:

@EnduranceFun: DAMN THAT PATRICK FORCING HIS WAY INTO EVERYTHING ... INCLUDING MY HEART ... DAMN HIM FOR HAVING MORE PR SKILLS THAN THE REMAINING GB CREW COMBINED ... DAMN HIM DAMN HIM DAMN HIM ... I WANT MY MTV

Calling guests assholes doesn't seem very skilled to me. They must teach that in a higher level PR class.

Great, this again. For those you don't get the context, Patrick jokingly called Nolan North an "asshole" in a pretty casual interview and a few dozen idiots took it very personally.

Also, why would a journalist take a PR class?

Edited by Lazyaza

I would love a DMC sequel. Best game in the franchise by far. The characters and writing could use a bit of work but from a gameplay and a presentational viewpoint its incredibly decent.

Edited by Barrabas

@Voladric said:

@mnzy said:

@mutha3 said:

Hasn't DmC been selling poorly compared to DMC4? It's no skin off my back either way, because Bayonetta exists, but I thought that was the case

@golguin said:
@Brad please skip dmc2 and continue dmc1 or jump into dmc3.
this

Everything sells bad right now. It was on top of several national sales charts and was very well received overall. It will do fine.

Being at the top of a weekly chart when there hasn't been a major release in almost two months doesn't amount to much. In Japan DmC sold less than half of what DMC4 did, in the UK it was only a third (and dropped 64% in its second week), in Ireland it debuted at #7 and was out of the top 20 in its second week. We won't know US sales until the NPD release in a few weeks, but it isn't promising from the charts on online retailers. Earlier today, both versions weren't in the top 400 video games.

I don't know why the Giant Bomb crew has this idea that Devil May Cry was a dead franchise and DmC is reviving it. Not sure if that's just what they've been fed by Capcom PR people or what, but it's Capcom's fourth largest franchise. DMC4 was the best selling in the series, and so far it doesn't look like DmC will get anywhere close.

Eh, at best it's fifth largest behind Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Mega Man, and Street Fighter. Then I also don't know how it compares to Phoenix Wright and Dead Rising, so at worst it's the 7th largest.

Anyway, the game's not quite as good as DMC3, but it's still damn good. I hope it ends up profitable enough in the long run to warrant another DMC made by either Capcom or Ninja Theory. I just don't think this kind of game sells very well anymore, God of War aside. Bayonetta's probably the best one out there and it didn't sell well enough for Sega to give them a sequel. Bayonetta 2 wouldn't exist if Nintendo wasn't paying for it.

Posted by JoelTGM

@EnduranceFun said:

@SWIPSTER said:

@gladspooky: @gladspooky said:

@EvilKatarn said:

@EnduranceFun said:

Great, get Patrick to sit down with Swery, the only one of the five who didn't ER Deadly Premonition, and the worst sit-down interviewer of the entire site. How can Vinny not be part of the Gilbert or Swery interviews when he's one of the biggest fans of both? Vinny and Ryan were definitely the most interested in DP... oh well.

Yeah, this is fucking nonsense.

The original Swery interview is one of my favorite pieces of content on the site, just heartwarming stuff.

I can't imagine it turning out that good with Klepek there.

Patrick: "HEY HOW COME YOU GAME SO JAPANESE?!"

Swery: *annoyed glare*

Patrick: "IS THIS EMBLEMATIC OF GAMING TROPES?"

Swery: [in Japanese:] "How does he make typos when he's speaking?"

Patrick: "HEY I PLAYED A GAME ONCE, IT CALLED X-FILES."

Swery: *surprised look, nods approvingly*

this is now cannon.

Agreed.

it's going to be okay you guys, don't worry, life will go on.

Posted by Carousel

@Octaslash said:

@Carousel said:

@envane said:

@EnduranceFun: DAMN THAT PATRICK FORCING HIS WAY INTO EVERYTHING ... INCLUDING MY HEART ... DAMN HIM FOR HAVING MORE PR SKILLS THAN THE REMAINING GB CREW COMBINED ... DAMN HIM DAMN HIM DAMN HIM ... I WANT MY MTV

Calling guests assholes doesn't seem very skilled to me. They must teach that in a higher level PR class.

Great, this again. For those you don't get the context, Patrick jokingly called Nolan North an "asshole" in a pretty casual interview and a few dozen idiots took it very personally.

Also, why would a journalist take a PR class?

And then it became jokingly awkward and the air was jokingly sucked out of the room and everyone had really jokingly stoic expressions afterwards.

Posted by Wonloong

When Jeff looks straight at you, his goatee is in the shape of Assassin's Creed's logo. It's so awesome!

Edited by mellotronrules

quick! someone pm jeff and let him know he needs to learn to say no.

Posted by EnduranceFun

It's too bad that we as human beings can't choose to passively ignore things. Especially internet comments.

Posted by LikeaSsur

@ArtisanBreads: Uh huh.....go on.....like what?

Posted by Duffyside

I wouldn't mind the iOS coverage, if I didn't think they were already missing some titles they "should" cover. I guess we'll never get a Knytt Underground, Big Sky Infinity, or Vikings Attack QL?

It's not just a matter of checking a box on QLs like they were errands, either; all of those games might interest me, but I'm unsure, and QLs often help me make that decision.

Posted by Charlee_CoCo

@Voladric said:

@mnzy said:

@mutha3 said:

Hasn't DmC been selling poorly compared to DMC4? It's no skin off my back either way, because Bayonetta exists, but I thought that was the case

@golguin said:
@Brad please skip dmc2 and continue dmc1 or jump into dmc3.
this

Everything sells bad right now. It was on top of several national sales charts and was very well received overall. It will do fine.

Being at the top of a weekly chart when there hasn't been a major release in almost two months doesn't amount to much. In Japan DmC sold less than half of what DMC4 did, in the UK it was only a third (and dropped 64% in its second week), in Ireland it debuted at #7 and was out of the top 20 in its second week. We won't know US sales until the NPD release in a few weeks, but it isn't promising from the charts on online retailers. Earlier today, both versions weren't in the top 400 video games.

I don't know why the Giant Bomb crew has this idea that Devil May Cry was a dead franchise and DmC is reviving it. Not sure if that's just what they've been fed by Capcom PR people or what, but it's Capcom's fourth largest franchise. DMC4 was the best selling in the series, and so far it doesn't look like DmC will get anywhere close.

It's not Capcom PR, it's based on the things that people that they know/knew that worked for Capcom said about the franchise, no doubt off the record.

The chatter that the GB crew is saying about DMC lines up with alot of the same things I heard from people that work(ed) for the company. Fair warning it's probably all the same people saying it, all of whom don't work for the company anymore, but it's what was said none the less.

After DMC4's release there was alot of talk in the press, reviews, word of mouth, etc, that the series was in need of it's RE4 style reinvention. That may not have been the general consensus from fans, but it was the impression Capcom got, especially when major review outlets/sites were saying things like "The series is starting to show it's cobwebs."

The other part of the situation is that in alot of cases in order for X game/sequel to get made there needs to be someone within the company who is passionate about wanting to do X game. This applies to all of their franchises excluding Resident Evil.

Nobody within Capcom Japan at the time wanted to make DMC5, and it wasn't like DMC4 sold 10 million copies, ie forcing their hand to make another game. In other words there wasn't going to be a proper DMC5. It wasn't something that was on the table for Capcom. Even if somebody at Capcom wanted to do it they knew the higher ups would force them to do something different with the franchise because that's what they (the higher ups) believed people were expecting out of the next DMC game.

Take note of the Onimusha franchise. You could say it was DMC's sister franchise in a way, but what became of it? The games always did well enough to make another, but yet there was never a 5th game. The truth is that Inafune wanted to move onto other projects like Dead Rising and Lost Planet, especially after the higher ups shot down his idea for a 5th game starring a female lead saying "it won't sell."

Now in the end DmC isn't the RE4 equivalent for the DMC franchise, but it accomplished the goal of "something different for the franchise" that Capcom had always had for the next DMC game. Look at that situation any way you want it, ie "well Capcom was stupid if that's what they believed!" because it was always going to go down this way, if not with Ninja Theory then another company, or not at all. The bottom line being that the people with all the power within the company (Capcom) want different things out of their games than what the fans want/expect or even what their employees want to do. Go figure and go figure that pretty much everyone I know that worked for the company no longer works there.

Please be aware that I'm not bragging about knowing people, I'm just trying to point out the fact that I remember people who once loved working for the company who I never thought would ever leave yet within the span of 4 years they've all left.

Posted by golguin

@Charlee_CoCo said:

@Voladric said:

@mnzy said:

@mutha3 said:

Hasn't DmC been selling poorly compared to DMC4? It's no skin off my back either way, because Bayonetta exists, but I thought that was the case

@golguin said:
@Brad please skip dmc2 and continue dmc1 or jump into dmc3.
this

Everything sells bad right now. It was on top of several national sales charts and was very well received overall. It will do fine.

Being at the top of a weekly chart when there hasn't been a major release in almost two months doesn't amount to much. In Japan DmC sold less than half of what DMC4 did, in the UK it was only a third (and dropped 64% in its second week), in Ireland it debuted at #7 and was out of the top 20 in its second week. We won't know US sales until the NPD release in a few weeks, but it isn't promising from the charts on online retailers. Earlier today, both versions weren't in the top 400 video games.

I don't know why the Giant Bomb crew has this idea that Devil May Cry was a dead franchise and DmC is reviving it. Not sure if that's just what they've been fed by Capcom PR people or what, but it's Capcom's fourth largest franchise. DMC4 was the best selling in the series, and so far it doesn't look like DmC will get anywhere close.

It's not Capcom PR, it's based on the things that people that they know/knew that worked for Capcom said about the franchise, no doubt off the record.

The chatter that the GB crew is saying about DMC lines up with alot of the same things I heard from people that work(ed) for the company. Fair warning it's probably all the same people saying it, all of whom don't work for the company anymore, but it's what was said none the less.

After DMC4's release there was alot of talk in the press, reviews, word of mouth, etc, that the series was in need of it's RE4 style reinvention. That may not have been the general consensus from fans, but it was the impression Capcom got, especially when major review outlets/sites were saying things like "The series is starting to show it's cobwebs."

The other part of the situation is that in alot of cases in order for X game/sequel to get made there needs to be someone within the company who is passionate about wanting to do X game. This applies to all of their franchises excluding Resident Evil.

Nobody within Capcom Japan at the time wanted to make DMC5, and it wasn't like DMC4 sold 10 million copies, ie forcing their hand to make another game. In other words there wasn't going to be a proper DMC5. It wasn't something that was on the table for Capcom. Even if somebody at Capcom wanted to do it they knew the higher ups would force them to do something different with the franchise because that's what they (the higher ups) believed people were expecting out of the next DMC game.

Take note of the Onimusha franchise. You could say it was DMC's sister franchise in a way, but what became of it? The games always did well enough to make another, but yet there was never a 5th game. The truth is that Inafune wanted to move onto other projects like Dead Rising and Lost Planet, especially after the higher ups shot down his idea for a 5th game starring a female lead saying "it won't sell."

Now in the end DmC isn't the RE4 equivalent for the DMC franchise, but it accomplished the goal of "something different for the franchise" that Capcom had always had for the next DMC game. Look at that situation any way you want it, ie "well Capcom was stupid if that's what they believed!" because it was always going to go down this way, if not with Ninja Theory then another company, or not at all. The bottom line being that the people with all the power within the company (Capcom) want different things out of their games than what the fans want/expect or even what their employees want to do. Go figure and go figure that pretty much everyone I know that worked for the company no longer works there.

Please be aware that I'm not bragging about knowing people, I'm just trying to point out the fact that I remember people who once loved working for the company who I never thought would ever leave yet within the span of 4 years they've all left.

So you're saying that the review press that was largely never a fan of the combat system or knew of its intricacies is responsible for for the change in direction for the series? You are also saying that by listening to the press and ignoring the original DMC fans that the rebooted DmC is not selling as well as DMC4?

That is interesting.

Posted by MrCandleguy

@golguin said:

@Charlee_CoCo said:

@Voladric said:

@mnzy said:

@mutha3 said:

Hasn't DmC been selling poorly compared to DMC4? It's no skin off my back either way, because Bayonetta exists, but I thought that was the case

@golguin said:
@Brad please skip dmc2 and continue dmc1 or jump into dmc3.
this

Everything sells bad right now. It was on top of several national sales charts and was very well received overall. It will do fine.

Being at the top of a weekly chart when there hasn't been a major release in almost two months doesn't amount to much. In Japan DmC sold less than half of what DMC4 did, in the UK it was only a third (and dropped 64% in its second week), in Ireland it debuted at #7 and was out of the top 20 in its second week. We won't know US sales until the NPD release in a few weeks, but it isn't promising from the charts on online retailers. Earlier today, both versions weren't in the top 400 video games.

I don't know why the Giant Bomb crew has this idea that Devil May Cry was a dead franchise and DmC is reviving it. Not sure if that's just what they've been fed by Capcom PR people or what, but it's Capcom's fourth largest franchise. DMC4 was the best selling in the series, and so far it doesn't look like DmC will get anywhere close.

It's not Capcom PR, it's based on the things that people that they know/knew that worked for Capcom said about the franchise, no doubt off the record.

The chatter that the GB crew is saying about DMC lines up with alot of the same things I heard from people that work(ed) for the company. Fair warning it's probably all the same people saying it, all of whom don't work for the company anymore, but it's what was said none the less.

After DMC4's release there was alot of talk in the press, reviews, word of mouth, etc, that the series was in need of it's RE4 style reinvention. That may not have been the general consensus from fans, but it was the impression Capcom got, especially when major review outlets/sites were saying things like "The series is starting to show it's cobwebs."

The other part of the situation is that in alot of cases in order for X game/sequel to get made there needs to be someone within the company who is passionate about wanting to do X game. This applies to all of their franchises excluding Resident Evil.

Nobody within Capcom Japan at the time wanted to make DMC5, and it wasn't like DMC4 sold 10 million copies, ie forcing their hand to make another game. In other words there wasn't going to be a proper DMC5. It wasn't something that was on the table for Capcom. Even if somebody at Capcom wanted to do it they knew the higher ups would force them to do something different with the franchise because that's what they (the higher ups) believed people were expecting out of the next DMC game.

Take note of the Onimusha franchise. You could say it was DMC's sister franchise in a way, but what became of it? The games always did well enough to make another, but yet there was never a 5th game. The truth is that Inafune wanted to move onto other projects like Dead Rising and Lost Planet, especially after the higher ups shot down his idea for a 5th game starring a female lead saying "it won't sell."

Now in the end DmC isn't the RE4 equivalent for the DMC franchise, but it accomplished the goal of "something different for the franchise" that Capcom had always had for the next DMC game. Look at that situation any way you want it, ie "well Capcom was stupid if that's what they believed!" because it was always going to go down this way, if not with Ninja Theory then another company, or not at all. The bottom line being that the people with all the power within the company (Capcom) want different things out of their games than what the fans want/expect or even what their employees want to do. Go figure and go figure that pretty much everyone I know that worked for the company no longer works there.

Please be aware that I'm not bragging about knowing people, I'm just trying to point out the fact that I remember people who once loved working for the company who I never thought would ever leave yet within the span of 4 years they've all left.

So you're saying that the review press that was largely never a fan of the combat system or knew of its intricacies is responsible for for the change in direction for the series? You are also saying that by listening to the press and ignoring the original DMC fans that the rebooted DmC is not selling as well as DMC4?

That is interesting.

Just throwing this out there... It may have done well on PC since it was treated nicely there. None of those sales will show up on charts.

Currently it's sitting at number 9 on steams top sellers. But keep in mind that Square did just have that massive sale, so two of their games are on there. I got DmC, i like it. Maybe i'm just trying to defend my love!

Posted by Alex_Carrillo

Jeff, shave! Gross!

Edited by patrickklepek

@EnduranceFun said:

Great, get Patrick to sit down with Swery, the only one of the five who didn't ER Deadly Premonition, and the worst sit-down interviewer of the entire site. How can Vinny not be part of the Gilbert or Swery interviews when he's one of the biggest fans of both? Vinny and Ryan were definitely the most interested in DP... oh well.

Pff. I beat the hell out of that game. It's one of my favorites from the past few years.

As for the Nolan North thing...so weird! It came up on my Tumblr, and here was my response:

I’ve never been more amused/perplexed at the response to a video published on the site than the response to the Nolan North video. I guess it didn’t come across in the video, but we’d spent a good 20-30 minutes getting to know each other in the office, and the sarcastic tone was mutual. That people think I was intentionally being a dick out of nowhere says more about my (lack of) ability to pull it off than it does about what actually happened. He was completely in on the joke.

Also, in the event that isn't explanation enough, his phone number is in my phone and not yours, so nyah.

Staff
Posted by ZombieFoot

@Alex_Carrillo said:

Jeff, shave! Gross!

Jeff...never shave its rad.

Posted by mrfluke

@patrickklepek said:

@EnduranceFun said:

Great, get Patrick to sit down with Swery, the only one of the five who didn't ER Deadly Premonition, and the worst sit-down interviewer of the entire site. How can Vinny not be part of the Gilbert or Swery interviews when he's one of the biggest fans of both? Vinny and Ryan were definitely the most interested in DP... oh well.


Also, in the event that isn't explanation enough, his phone number is in my phone and not yours, so nyah.

HA ,lol touché, Mr Klepek, touché :P

Edited by EnduranceFun

@patrickklepek said:

@EnduranceFun said:

Great, get Patrick to sit down with Swery, the only one of the five who didn't ER Deadly Premonition, and the worst sit-down interviewer of the entire site. How can Vinny not be part of the Gilbert or Swery interviews when he's one of the biggest fans of both? Vinny and Ryan were definitely the most interested in DP... oh well.

Pff. I beat the hell out of that game. It's one of my favorites from the past few years.

As for the Nolan North thing...so weird! It came up on my Tumblr, and here was my response:

I’ve never been more amused/perplexed at the response to a video published on the site than the response to the Nolan North video. I guess it didn’t come across in the video, but we’d spent a good 20-30 minutes getting to know each other in the office, and the sarcastic tone was mutual. That people think I was intentionally being a dick out of nowhere says more about my (lack of) ability to pull it off than it does about what actually happened. He was completely in on the joke.

Also, in the event that isn't explanation enough, his phone number is in my phone and not yours, so nyah.

You did not complete the game over tens of hours of an endurance run. Read my post again.

Not sure how much of the rest of this post is directed specifically at me as it touches on stuff I did not, but even you admit you rubbed people the wrong way in that interview because of your awkwardness. No one else has evoked an extremely negative reaction and you take at least some of the blame. My comment stands.

A phone number, real fucking neato. Nolan North visits me once a year to sing happy birthday.

Posted by probablytuna

TWO CLEMENTINE HATS WHAT IS THIS

Posted by patrickklepek

Haha, jeez. Okay, buddy.

Staff
Edited by EnduranceFun

@patrickklepek: Admittedly that last line in my post was facetious, but it's fair when yours was dropping a pompous line about "having Nolan North's phone number." Unless you think I was being serious.

That aside, nothing in my post merited being a douche. Why reply when all you have to add is snark.

Posted by Charlee_CoCo

@golguin said:

So you're saying that the review press that was largely never a fan of the combat system or knew of its intricacies is responsible for for the change in direction for the series? You are also saying that by listening to the press and ignoring the original DMC fans that the rebooted DmC is not selling as well as DMC4?

That is interesting.

No, the press was not to blame, nor are the fans always right about everything. Note you could say the exact same thing above about the RE series with direction RE4 took, and infact people did (and some still do) but in retrospect alot of people seem to regard it as being the right move whether it be for business or gameplay reasons, or both. DmC will probably never achieve that, but nobody other than the hardcore DMC audience was interested in a proper DMC5.

Whatever it was that DMC was, it's something Capcom has moved passed. It's also something that the series creator (Kamiya) has moved past as well. Bayonetta was his "I'm gonna push this style as far as I can and then it's time to move on." which is exactly what he did or is doing. It's why he isn't serving as the director of Bayonetta 2. He wants to ensure it stays good (thus his involvement with it) but feels like he's said/done everything he needs to with it. Bayonetta is basically DMC's "wall" in that without some sort of major overhaul ala RE4 it's not going to change much with further iterations. You can refine elements, make it play better, etc, etc, but eventually you just get into Dynasty Warriors territory where it's the law of diminishing returns. Fighting games run up against the same problem.

Think about the fact that last generation and through most of this generation nearly every character action game was God of War, Ninja Gaiden, or DMC. We're basically two generations past those styles now and the only thing that tried to move beyond those mechanics was Arkham Asylum, which was never trying to be that type of game in the first place.

Yes, there is still an audience for those type of games, but you're running out of developers who want to keep making those specific type of games.

Edited by whatisdelicious

@EnduranceFun said:

@patrickklepek: Admittedly that last line in my post was facetious, but it's fair when yours was dropping a pompous line about "having Nolan North's phone number." Unless you think I was being serious.

That aside, nothing in my post merited being a douche. Why reply when all you have to add is snark.

Could say the same for you, man. This is a pretty silly discussion going on.

Posted by laserbolts

God I hope Patrick didnt ruin the Swery stuff. Curious about Antichamber.

Posted by ripelivejam

endurance fun is really digging himself a deep hole considering he actually got under patrick's skin enough to make him react.

cut your losses man.

Posted by TvsFranksWildYears

Patrick hate is like the J.J. Abrams lens flare joke of the GB community: completely hackneyed and played out, but there are still some idiots who'll never let it go and move on with their lives.

Posted by mrfluke

@whatisdelicious said:

@EnduranceFun said:

@patrickklepek: Admittedly that last line in my post was facetious, but it's fair when yours was dropping a pompous line about "having Nolan North's phone number." Unless you think I was being serious.

That aside, nothing in my post merited being a douche. Why reply when all you have to add is snark.

Could say the same for you, man. This is a pretty silly discussion going on.

totally agree

im all for calling patrick out when it makes sense and when theres a legitimate argument to be had (and patrick welcomes legitimate criticism), but that whole discussion that you two had going, just seemed like u were just provoking the dude, it just seemed excessive.

dude finished the game just like the rest of them, only difference was that his playthrough wasn't public like the other 4.so i dunno where you're getting off hes not good enough to interview swery.

as for the dig on the nolan north interview, yea i see where your coming from, but with patrick clearing things up on how they talked beforehand and just the way how laid back nolan north always seems, it totally was no big deal.

Posted by dr_mantas

@EnduranceFun: Stop antagonizing, man, there's no need.

When the content comes, you can judge it. No need to start prejudicing at every opportunity :)

Posted by ripelivejam

so anyway, i remember the n64 expansion pack fondly. didnt mahe higher res perfect dark any more playable lol. also loved brads extra eeyore level grumpiness. lookin forward to the DP interview even if the game kinda frightens me. amazing beard jeff may it grow lush and full (as it can :d ).

Edited by EnduranceFun

@whatisdelicious: Patrick's reply started that discussion. His dismissive one-liner ended that discussion. He has been far more silly, going into damage control mode simply because of my mild criticism.

You'd all have any point at all if I was repeatedly attacking here, I made one post and have been replying to the replies. It was a post comprised of valid points and no counter post has invalidated them, they chant the same tired mantra about haters or how criticism goes in the criticism trash can just because.

Posted by golguin

@patrickklepek Once the N64 stuff is done are you going to fire up Dark Souls to explore animation priority gameplay?

Posted by OriginalGman

Hey Brad, please Quick Look The World Ends With You: Solo Remix on the iPad. You guys skipped over that game on the DS, and it deserves another look!

Posted by Voladric

@Barrabas said:


Eh, at best it's fifth largest behind Monster Hunter, Resident Evil, Mega Man, and Street Fighter. Then I also don't know how it compares to Phoenix Wright and Dead Rising, so at worst it's the 7th largest.

Anyway, the game's not quite as good as DMC3, but it's still damn good. I hope it ends up profitable enough in the long run to warrant another DMC made by either Capcom or Ninja Theory. I just don't think this kind of game sells very well anymore, God of War aside. Bayonetta's probably the best one out there and it didn't sell well enough for Sega to give them a sequel. Bayonetta 2 wouldn't exist if Nintendo wasn't paying for it.

Mega Man hasn't been selling much in the past 20 years, and even in the NES days it didn't sell as much as the DMC games. None of the Phoenix Wright games have even passed a million units. Dead Rising 2 managed to outsell the first mainly due to it being on more platforms, but it still didn't outsell DMC4.

Also if Bayonetta level sales aren't enough to earn a sequel, that goes back to the strange narrative they've crafted where this game is somehow more successful than the previous games. Enough to dictate this as "the new way forward" for the "inevitable sequel". So far, out of the sales we know hard numbers for, Bayonetta outsold DmC by 71% in Japan. UK numbers are a bit harder to parse out. We know Fifa was less than 18,513 last week. So we know DmC was less than that last week. However we also know both versions of DmC were underneath Fifa PS3. Fifa PS3 sold less than 6,294 last week. So DmC was less than 12,341. Since DmC was down 64% that means at most DmC sold 34,281 units on its launch week. Unfortunately this is a bit of a dead end with the Bayonetta comparison. We can say that DMC4 sold less than 104,900, but that number could fluctuate heavily based on rounding. Once again, keep in mind all of these numbers are maximums. The actual numbers could be substantially lower.

The best I can find as a comparison is Modern Warfare 2 sold 58,837 the week Bayonetta came out. The 360 version of Bayonetta was right between the 360 and PS3 version of MW2. If the current platform splits for BO2 are comparable to MW2, then Bayonetta 360 sold a minimum of 23,534 and a maximum of 32,948. Bayonetta also only dropped 41% in its second week compared to 64% for DmC (worth noting, the PC version came out in the second week for DmC. Without it, sales would have been down 66.16%). It is probably safe to say Bayonetta sold more, but it isn't a sure thing. Using some incredibly rough estimations for Assassin's Creed III would put a floor for DmC first week sales around 20,900. If DmC is anywhere near the lower end of that spectrum, then Bayonetta certainly outsold it.

The real test will be US sales where Bayonetta did rather poorly. The 360 version was at number 17 for the month PS3 outside the top 20. Number 10 sold 171k units. On the other hand DMC4 sold 528.7k in its first month in the US. A number DmC seems unlikely to achieve.

This post is kind of longwinded and a clusterfuck of numbers since only the Japanese trackers give reliable sales numbers, but the long and short of it is that DmC isn't selling well compared to its predecessor and it isn't selling well compared to a game that didn't sell well enough for a sequel. With this information in hand, a lot of the conjecture at Giant Bomb over the past couple weeks seems a bit silly. They seem to be pushing that because they stopped caring after the first DMC, so did the market as a whole. And because they like the new one, that it is only a small niche of people who aren't happy with the direction of the new one, and the public at large likes it. You'd have no idea that DMC4 was actually the best selling in the series and from the sales numbers so far DmC won't come anywhere close.

Posted by fulcilivez

@gbrading: Thats the box i got autograph by Johnathan Frakes for the GB crew.

Posted by TheHBK

@ripelivejam said:

so anyway, i remember the n64 expansion pack fondly. didnt mahe higher res perfect dark any more playable lol. also loved brads extra eeyore level grumpiness. lookin forward to the DP interview even if the game kinda frightens me. amazing beard jeff may it grow lush and full (as it can :d ).

It made it a lot more playable... you couldn't play most of the game without it.

Posted by YummyTreeSap

A lot of the GB staff wasn't even all that open to Deadly Premonition during the endurance run (at least at first—I haven't finished it yet), so I'm not sure where the notion comes from that anyone else is a better candidate for interviewer than Patrick, an admitted fan of the game. Just because he wasn't part of the ER team doesn't really mean anything at all, and it's probably better to have someone with a genuine interest in and appreciation for the game do the interview than someone who doesn't. Again, maybe the tones changed as the game went on, but I wasn't getting too warm of feelings from the ERs, as far as I've gotten in.

But I guess being a knee-jerk reactionist is the way to go, 'round these parts. Down with Patrick! He is so dumb!

Posted by fisk0

Watch this and image that everything Jeff said came out of Patrick's mouth. The Patrick haters would be furious.