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PAX East 2013: Giant Bomb Panel - Part 02

Our "experts" get to answering some Qs regarding divekicks, cannolis, and getting into the James industry.

Mar. 26 2013

Posted by: Drew

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I'm playing Mass Effect 3 the way Brad went through it right now, with all the single player DLC, because I want to know and understand his mindset on that game.

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I really enjoyed this around the parts where Alex was yelling and then giggling uncontrollably at his own "joke".

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@xeirus: I don't know what you said, and I never meant to say you had said anything wrong.

The words female and male are not equivalent with woman and man. Female and male are the sex of any organism, and woman and man the sex of humans. So by calling someone female or a male is in a way removing their humanity from your description of them.

What seems to happen in our language is that female is used way more often as a descriptor for woman than male is for man, and this is another way - like chairman, etc that we show our prejudices through the way we speak.

Don't misunderstand me, this is an academic point rather than anything truly serious (although I am sure some people would disagree with me) but I think it is indicative of how our language shows the bias that can live within our society.

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@zevvion:

@mordeaniischaos said:

@zevvion: It's pretty even. On the one hand, yeah, some people don't think out their questions. But also remember, those people aren't paid to talk publicly and not everyone has an innate ability to do so.

Doesn't help that Ryan is just an asshole at every one of these, either.

Yeah, he was kinda harsh and I can see both sides. I understand not everyone talks as easily as the next guy - actually, I'm one of those - but in that case especially: keep the question simple and to the point?

I just don't get the whole story around it. It just often seems like they try too hard.

Was the opposite for me, as the Ambassador Program question asker/cannoli ho. I thought out my question perhaps a bit too much beforehand, imagining the idea would bring up a number of topics. But I also honestly thought it through on the mindset of a podcast question.

Then run up to ask it, but realized too late in the question line how the candor/style of

sucessful

Live panel questions was going and couldn't come up with something better/more in that format in time

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Disappointed not to see Jeff busting his ass at the end.

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@xeirus said:

@leebmx said:

@legion_ said:

@xeirus: I just don't agree. If they're girls, call them girls. If they're women, call them women. Female just sounds weird.

I suppose the word girlfriend is disrespectful then? Is womanfriend or femalefriend the proper term?

I suppose the point is that you wouldn't say 'look at that male over there,' so why say female? It has always struck me as a term you can apply to all animals rather than just humans. From there it follows that it says something about societies idea of the status of women that they are prepared to use a general animal term to describe women but won't use the equlivalent term for men.

Its not a huge deal but it is just another example of how language was developed by men with their concepts and priorities in mind.

You're taking the word out of context from what i actually said. If I had said "look at that female in the video" then I might agree it sounded weird. But just using the word itself is not as strange as you people make it out to be.

Also, how in the hell is the word "female" an example of mens priorities? That's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. By that logic "male" is inappropriate too?

I just think it's weird.

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@leebmx said:

@legion_ said:

@xeirus: I just don't agree. If they're girls, call them girls. If they're women, call them women. Female just sounds weird.

I suppose the word girlfriend is disrespectful then? Is womanfriend or femalefriend the proper term?

I suppose the point is that you wouldn't say 'look at that male over there,' so why say female? It has always struck me as a term you can apply to all animals rather than just humans. From there it follows that it says something about societies idea of the status of women that they are prepared to use a general animal term to describe women but won't use the equlivalent term for men.

Its not a huge deal but it is just another example of how language was developed by men with their concepts and priorities in mind.

You're taking the word out of context from what i actually said. If I had said "look at that female in the video" then I might agree it sounded weird. But just using the word itself is not as strange as you people make it out to be.

Also, how in the hell is the word "female" an example of mens priorities? That's the most bizarre thing I've ever heard. By that logic "male" is inappropriate too?

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@fin said:

Despite Alex constantly shouting down the mic I can't think of one funny or interesting thing he said. He mainly just made things awkward. Why does someone that annoying feel the need to speak non-stop, you can tell through a lot of him speaking Patrick is just cringing.

Yeah... I have moved on from this. Kinda. I just look down at the ground and think... yeah. You know, like that feeling you get when you run out of beer. Or it is just something you accept. Like when you read about another terrorist attack in the middle east. Sad but it happens. I think I reached this point when they let him stay on the Game of the Year awards and he was pushing people around. I just sighed after that. So I don't cringe anymore. Just sit there with a little sad look because it is not going to change.

But what will become of us

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@handlas: Watching back, yeah Ryan was also kind of harsh. I guess there were some shit questions but I can't help but feel for the guys who are being trashed on by people who they probably admire. The CAH question was especially brutal.

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I wished he apologised for his walking dead comments, then I could like him a little more :)

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@ikusaba said:

Alex is usually great. But wow, if he wasn't a dick to like everyone who asked a question. Kind of made the Q&A hard to watch. But otherwise I think he was fine.

Sure you aren't confusing Alex with Ryan? Holy shit he was brutal to everyone. At least Patrick is there to not make majority of people asking a question feel like utter shit.

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Talking about that eSports question at the end, the team should really watch the Team Liquid documentary. It's all about the players, and explains a lot about what they do and how they do it, with little focus on Starcraft itself. It's super interesting. @patrickklepek@jeff

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You just made my day!

Ps: Dave Lang was awesome.

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The Giant Bomb Community: They Don't Know How Microphones Work.

This was hard to watch, with the Cards Against Humanity question guy and breast milk Kickstarter guy causing me to reach for the mouse to close this shit. Managed to stick with it. They should really just shitcan the Q&A portion from now on, or at least pre-screen the questions.

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@fin said:

Despite Alex constantly shouting down the mic I can't think of one funny or interesting thing he said. He mainly just made things awkward. Why does someone that annoying feel the need to speak non-stop, you can tell through a lot of him speaking Patrick is just cringing.

Yeah... I have moved on from this. Kinda. I just look down at the ground and think... yeah. You know, like that feeling you get when you run out of beer. Or it is just something you accept. Like when you read about another terrorist attack in the middle east. Sad but it happens. I think I reached this point when they let him stay on the Game of the Year awards and he was pushing people around. I just sighed after that. So I don't cringe anymore. Just sit there with a little sad look because it is not going to change.

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Alex is usually great. But wow, if he wasn't a dick to like everyone who asked a question. Kind of made the Q&A hard to watch. But otherwise I think he was fine.

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@zevvion: It's pretty even. On the one hand, yeah, some people don't think out their questions. But also remember, those people aren't paid to talk publicly and not everyone has an innate ability to do so.

Doesn't help that Ryan is just an asshole at every one of these, either.

Yeah, he was kinda harsh and I can see both sides. I understand not everyone talks as easily as the next guy - actually, I'm one of those - but in that case especially: keep the question simple and to the point?

I just don't get the whole story around it. It just often seems like they try too hard.

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sleepy brad is sleeeeeeepy

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@zevvion: It's pretty even. On the one hand, yeah, some people don't think out their questions. But also remember, those people aren't paid to talk publicly and not everyone has an innate ability to do so.

Doesn't help that Ryan is just an asshole at every one of these, either.

Hrm, video stopped at the 58 minute marker for me :(

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<p>&lt;p&gt;I love how the whole gang became like the most kind mother fuckers when that girl asked her question. I swear that them being assholes sometimes, especially Ryan and Alex, is from the lack of women on the team and that they would be much more friendlier in general if there was a female addition. Ive been to an all male school so i know what it does to you.&lt;/p&gt;</p>

They were also probably kind because she actually asked a good question...

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Man the Q & A is brutal every panel

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<p>&lt;p&gt;I love how the whole gang became like the most kind mother fuckers when that girl asked her question. I swear that them being assholes sometimes, especially Ryan and Alex, is from the lack of women on the team and that they would be much more friendlier in general if there was a female addition. Ive been to an all male school so i know what it does to you.&lt;/p&gt;</p>

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I just drank some delicious milk. Mmm... Great panel guys!

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Man some of those questions...

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@legion_ said:

@xeirus: I just don't agree. If they're girls, call them girls. If they're women, call them women. Female just sounds weird.

I suppose the word girlfriend is disrespectful then? Is womanfriend or femalefriend the proper term?

I suppose the point is that you wouldn't say 'look at that male over there,' so why say female? It has always struck me as a term you can apply to all animals rather than just humans. From there it follows that it says something about societies idea of the status of women that they are prepared to use a general animal term to describe women but won't use the equlivalent term for men.

Its not a huge deal but it is just another example of how language was developed by men with their concepts and priorities in mind.

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The Giant Bomb community at these panels ask the best/worst questions.

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Awwwwh a little t-shirt for Max.

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Really like how Jeff take most of the questions serious, though poorly phrased sometimes. I feel Alex and Ryan can be a bit too crass. Hope we get to see a panel with Dave and Drew in the future.

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It's kind of a bummer the dudes went in to this kind of pre-hating on the Q&A section, this seemed like the best batch of questions in a long time but also the highest snark level.

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Jeff and Patrick are really cool in this Q&A. Some great answers.

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To bad no-one in the audience seems to know how a microphone works.

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This is sort of painful to watch. Oof.

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This had to be the best Q&A so far. I really don't understand what some of you are complaining about. Well other than Alex raising his snark levels to critical, but that's his thing.

Also totally adorable of that guy making shirts for Vinny/Max.

Can't speak for other people, but I feel the questions often make things so awkward. Like the dude about books. He was apparently looking for some incredible insight, while his question was coming from just the weirdest place. What's wrong with asking:

'I've been playing videogames for most of my life, but at a certain point I kind off stopped because everything felt so similar to me and I wasn't excited for anything. Then 'X' game came along and I really liked it again. Do you think it's a good time to be into games for someone like me and do you see that picking up even more in the future'?

Done. You don't need to say videogames and you are breaking up, you're into books, you feel like you're being tricked and then ask the panel: do you think I'm being tricked? It's just so weird. If allot of these guys just formulate their questions differently, it would be allot better.

Of course, there are still questions in there that make it awkward no matter how it's presented. Like the dude wanting to play a card against humanity hand. Ryan going it was a shit question must've really hit that dude hard, but what else to say? Those questions really suck.

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Guys. There are Mexicans EVERYWHERE.

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@legion_ said:

@xeirus: I just don't agree. If they're girls, call them girls. If they're women, call them women. Female just sounds weird.

I suppose the word girlfriend is disrespectful then? Is womanfriend or femalefriend the proper term?

Like I said I think you put too much thought into my original post.
But the "girl" in the video isn't a girl IMO, she's not a child so I didn't refer to her as such. I don't see the big deal.
If you want to call every grandmother out a girl then by all means go ahead, it's just not how I speak.

As for your "girlfriend" comment, you're just getting into semantics to prove your point and it doesn't apply so I'll just let you figure that out on your own.

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Okay, as father, I had to know what was going into my baby. So I tested that breast milk... right off the tit I did.

I'm proud of Ryan! By accepting a challenge and getting paid in the process... I'd do a lot more for a lot less.

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@xeirus: I just don't agree. If they're girls, call them girls. If they're women, call them women. Female just sounds weird.

I suppose the word girlfriend is disrespectful then? Is womanfriend or femalefriend the proper term?

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@angeln7 said:

Oh that guy who asked Brad about his GOTY pick like really? so people are acutally like that huh is not just internet hate trains ... man that's sad.

I wanted Dave Lang to dive kick the fool.

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Huge respect to Patrick, he really did an effort to give well thought out and meaningful answers.

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Oh that guy who asked Brad about his GOTY pick like really? so people are acutally like that huh is not just internet hate trains ... man that's sad.

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@vexxan said:

@waterlord0 said:

How did no one ask about the Jeff's raid :(

I too am disappointed :/

he did tease that he wants to do things that require "travel" and we'ill see.

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i think im in the camp of people not thinking that ingesting breast milk is such a crazy thing

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Man, I loved Patrick's answer to guy quitting videogames for books. People should really start talking about stuff they like rather than stuff they hate more.

oh if only

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Does Brad not speak during both of these videos?

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Came for footage of Jeff breaking his ass, was a little disappointed.

Also Vinny's camerawork while Drew answered a question was great. Drew looked like a fucking cult leader imparting wisdom to a group of mind-slaves.

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I wish I could hear the questions

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Ryan: "That's there, that's inside of you now... Much like the breast milk is inside of me."

Jeff: "I wanna be there when it leaves you. I feel I'm owed that."

Ryan's reaction to that weird Kickstarter question was just magical, and the twinkle in Jeff's eye as he says he wants to be there was oddly touching,

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Oh my god that CAH question was fucking terrible.

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