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PAX Prime 2011: OK Let's Counter-Strike: GO

Brad interrogates Chet Faliszek about Valve's plans to get people back into the de_dust bowl.

Aug. 31 2011

Posted by: Drew

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Though he did say it would be downloadable, he did not say it would be free.  Counter-Strike has never been free, and frankly I don't see the point in developing this game just to make it free.  It isn't the Counter-Strike way.  No killstreaks, no unlockables, none of that bullshit.  Like he said, if you get killed it's because you've messed up or the other player is better than you.   Also the game doesn't look bad at all. In fact it looks quite nice.  Some people are impossible to satisfy though, so it's a whatever issue.

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@Secret_Italian_Supercat: I was thinking the same thing. Some Nyquil would do him good.

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Gary you of all people should know that you need to use more skill.

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Brad: interview master!

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Gary!

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Lay off Chet. He and Erik will always be my heroes.

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@Brad said:

@Styl3s said:

@mbr2 said:

@Styl3s said:

Game is too different for my taste, and the "you play with people on your skill level" means nothing, just like in SC2's far more advanced skill level system it still pits you against people far better than you.

If it's a XBLA/PSN game for 10-15 i would probably pick it up for PS3 to use keyboard/mouse but this game just looks like rubbish to me.

I don't think you know how good the battle.net 2.0 matchmaking is. My win/loss ratio is 51.6% in SC2.

Yeah, it's so good it puts me against diamond players even though i am bottom platinum.

some amazing matchmaking, no one can perfect matchmaking, it will never be done and will put you against people either really shitty or really amazing not to mention dummy accounts, people in diamond who have multiple accounts and play in bronze/silver and completely floor people.

every matchmaking system is broke, just because YOUR w/l is 51% doesn't mean it isn't broke.

StarCraft 2's matchmaking isn't broken, you just don't understand how it works. Your league and your opponent's league have nothing to do with your chance of getting matched together -- it's all based on performance metrics you can't see. My w/l has consistently been around 50% since the game came out.

StarCraft 2's matchmaking isn't broken.

You just don't understand how it works.

NEW BRAD MEME GOGOGOGO! loveyoureallybrah.

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Whenever someone says CS:GO I just think it's a variation of the chinese boardgame.

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I'm betting it's going to be $9.99 US

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Inb4 server plugins banning/excluding console players.  

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@Troncek said:

Is there really a new audience for this? CS, even with a new engine, was never a really casual game.

Millions of people log into Steam everyday. CS:GO will be right there to greet them -- casual and hardcore players alike.

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i cant wait to see if any ps3 players try to play in league lol would be hilarious 
 as someone who played comp for a while, ANYONE using a controller will get deystroyed by players on pc who know just a little about what they are doing 
 
hope they talk wuts best about 1.6 and source and combine the two (just no watermelon grenades plz)

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i would love a mouse vs controller mode. just so pc players can fuck up those console kids.

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Gary at the end there, amazing. That's Counter-Strike for you lol.

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This person looks very tired and/or sick.
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@Styl3s said:

@mbr2 said:

@Styl3s said:

Game is too different for my taste, and the "you play with people on your skill level" means nothing, just like in SC2's far more advanced skill level system it still pits you against people far better than you.

If it's a XBLA/PSN game for 10-15 i would probably pick it up for PS3 to use keyboard/mouse but this game just looks like rubbish to me.

I don't think you know how good the battle.net 2.0 matchmaking is. My win/loss ratio is 51.6% in SC2.

Yeah, it's so good it puts me against diamond players even though i am bottom platinum.

some amazing matchmaking, no one can perfect matchmaking, it will never be done and will put you against people either really shitty or really amazing not to mention dummy accounts, people in diamond who have multiple accounts and play in bronze/silver and completely floor people.

every matchmaking system is broke, just because YOUR w/l is 51% doesn't mean it isn't broke.

StarCraft 2's matchmaking isn't broken, you just don't understand how it works. Your league and your opponent's league have nothing to do with your chance of getting matched together -- it's all based on performance metrics you can't see. My w/l has consistently been around 50% since the game came out.

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"No friendly fire in AWP mode" 

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@mbr2 said:

@Styl3s said:

Game is too different for my taste, and the "you play with people on your skill level" means nothing, just like in SC2's far more advanced skill level system it still pits you against people far better than you.

If it's a XBLA/PSN game for 10-15 i would probably pick it up for PS3 to use keyboard/mouse but this game just looks like rubbish to me.

I don't think you know how good the battle.net 2.0 matchmaking is. My win/loss ratio is 51.6% in SC2.

Yeah, it's so good it puts me against diamond players even though i am bottom platinum.

some amazing matchmaking, no one can perfect matchmaking, it will never be done and will put you against people either really shitty or really amazing not to mention dummy accounts, people in diamond who have multiple accounts and play in bronze/silver and completely floor people.

every matchmaking system is broke, just because YOUR w/l is 51% doesn't mean it isn't broke.

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@notha said:

@Styl3s said:

Game is too different for my taste, and the "you play with people on your skill level" means nothing, just like in SC2's far more advanced skill level system it still pits you against people far better than you.

If it's a XBLA/PSN game for 10-15 i would probably pick it up for PS3 to use keyboard/mouse but this game just looks like rubbish to me.

have you played it?

Played it at pax, and it was complete garbage.

Even if i didn't play it i could tell it was garbage from the early info, it's a dumbed down CS for people who suck at actual CS.

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Fuck the haters, this sounds great. I can't wait to play this.

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This poor guy looks tired all the time.

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what is with the crazy close-ups in this interview? Can almost see the pores on their faces.

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@AldoTheApache said:
use more skill!
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Looking forward to seeing how this pans out

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I'm terrible at CS, gonna give this a shot with the new matchmaking and all.  
And damn Gary has lost a lot of weight. Good for him!

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Oh god, I really want to play CS now. I thought I kicked that habit.

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@zaglis:I am not trolling. I'm being totally honest with what I wrote.

I'm not saying MW is the most realistic game ever. (I play ARMA II for fuck's sake) but comparatively it is more realistic than CS.

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So, this is basically Valve creating CS for PS3 to have cross platform gaming with the PC. I wonder if next they might not be working on a PS3 version of the L4D games for the same thing, or maybe TF2 on PS3 fully integrated with the PC version and with mouse and keyboard support.

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What it is!!!

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Excellent ending. Some expert analysis is always appreciated.

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Is there really a new audience for this? CS, even with a new engine, was never a really casual game.

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Counter Strike: Use more skill!

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@zipperface said:

@ds8k: I'd say he's had a few, that's some serious whiskey nose!



The wiskey nose (Rhinophyma/Rosacea) isn't necessarily due to excessive alcohol use.
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I like how Chat got a little mad about the "GO" thing. :P

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@Styl3s said:

Game is too different for my taste, and the "you play with people on your skill level" means nothing, just like in SC2's far more advanced skill level system it still pits you against people far better than you.

If it's a XBLA/PSN game for 10-15 i would probably pick it up for PS3 to use keyboard/mouse but this game just looks like rubbish to me.

have you played it?

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@Styl3s said:

Game is too different for my taste, and the "you play with people on your skill level" means nothing, just like in SC2's far more advanced skill level system it still pits you against people far better than you.

If it's a XBLA/PSN game for 10-15 i would probably pick it up for PS3 to use keyboard/mouse but this game just looks like rubbish to me.

I don't think you know how good the battle.net 2.0 matchmaking is. My win/loss ratio is 51.6% in SC2.

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Whitta telling it as he sees it.

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That dude seriously needs to shave.

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Dude, bro, you're ruining it. CS 1.6 fo life.

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This is just disheartening to watch. Don't they have an actual designer working on the game who can demo it? "Oh we're making a new CS just 'cause.". He doesn't bring up a single issue or concern that someone who actually still plays might have, he clearly has no clue. Valve should do what Blizzard did with SC2, sit down and analyse what the core elements of the first game was and try to carry that over. Watch Dustin Browder's GDC talk about how they designed SC2 to be an esport. None of those design principles are present here.
 
This game is going to be for no one. If you don't already care about CS why would you play this over MW3 / BF3, and if you do care about CS there's nothing here for you either.

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Let´s all join and hate on Wii Downloadable games. Common hate brings people together.
 
On a serious note some of these comments are just silly.

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use more skill!

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Some of these comments make me ashamed of being a PC gamer.

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@theswoosh said:

@PixelSoldier said:

Man, Gary really has lost a lot of weight.

Almost looks like a console gamer

LOL haters gonna hate.

@MEATBALL said:

When I grow up I want to be Gary Whitta

+1

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When I grow up I want to be Gary Whitta

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At least all platforms who play with each other will be able to use the same control schemes. It would be unfair for 360 players to get matched with PS3 and PC players if MS won't let them use M+K, but it seems they can only play with other 360 users.

I sure hope the final thing is 60fps on consoles, because it didn't seem like it compared to videos of COD or Rage. That would make cross platform play even less balanced, otherwise.

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@MoleyUK said: 

There are more than a fair few players that have a high degree of skill with a controller.. as well as a number of PC players that are less than stellar with a keyboard and mouse. It all balances out.

True, but only up to a point. At the highest level you won't see controllers anymore. There is simply a physical limit of what a controller can do when it comes to pixel-perfect aiming. Even the best auto-aim assistance won't make it responsive and snappy enough to compete with a top mouse player.
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Fuck this shit

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@Superfriend said:

I don´t know about this whole cross platform play.. the idea is sound, but controller against different input method is just bad. What I really like about consoles is the relatively even playing field when it comes to input devices. I´m against mixing different input methods, because obviously the guy on the pc will have a huge advantage, even to the point where he can do stuff that the guy on controller cant pull off.

Watch the video again.

If the PC player with his keyboard and mouse is such a beast, he'll apparently be matched against other players of the same skill, be they PC or otherwise.

If it turns out that PC players are all at a distinct advantage, they'll just eventually end up being matched against only PC players with the supposedly "lowly" console players stuck in a ghetto playing against themselves... but somehow I don't think that'll be the case.

There are more than a fair few players that have a high degree of skill with a controller.. as well as a number of PC players that are less than stellar with a keyboard and mouse. It all balances out.