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Edited by skilzlost
@jmrwacko: yes it was hilarious, and yes i did notice the comments in the quiz, great work.. 
 

 
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on a side note, ok ql..   i still wont be buying this shi++y game tho.. 
Posted by jmrwacko
@skilzlost said:
" @jmrwacko: yes it was hilarious   ..  on a side note, shit ql..  "
Jeff did play like a thumbless eight year old. I'd check youtube for more exciting (and probably more representative) gameplay videos.
Posted by skilzlost
@jmrwacko:  i really didn't get on well with the last. i had battlefield 1 (which i must admit i enjoyed) and had battlefield 2, i think i am just craving hl3 and some more games like that, really its just me  i am sure plenty of people will get a good kick out of it just not me.. 
 
and tbh the ql wasn't that bad i generally just enjoy watching them.  
 
i was kind of put of by the remarks,  but hey i need a to get me some  humour. 
Edited by MrKlorox
Edited by JakJ
@skilzlost: It wasn't a dis, just a fact. As Jeff jokingly mentioned, in America your spellings aren't considered correct english in the exact same way that American spellings aren't considered correct english in the uk. For example: my spell checker says 'favourite' is misspelled, just as I'm sure yours would if you typed in 'favorite'. And you've got it backwards, it was the brits that started hating on american english, and the Americans had to defend it because believe it or not we don't like being told that all the years we spent learning english were a waste, either.
Posted by natetodamax

Seriously, why is the game so bright?

Posted by Coolarman

I'm glad but that they are doing a lot with the multiplayer but i want more single player stuff. That was the part about bad company 1 that i really enjoyed

Posted by MachoFantastico

This quick look as made me remember why I disliked the original's multiplayer... the controls.  
 
Hated the controls in the original Bad Company. Was so slow and sluggish.

Posted by 02sfraser

the animation of the gun is distracting me. find it really annoying. although never was a fan of the first bad company so doubt i will like this

Posted by ArbitraryWater

This quick look epitomizes the Battlefield experience for me: Run for 5 minutes, get shot, respawn, repeat. Not that that makes it a bad game, but not one I will personally pick up.

Posted by Nicholas

How'd I get in to the Beta? I downloaded it from the PSN Store. If I remember correctly, that is.

Posted by bjorno

Ugh.

Edited by slyspider

Gamespot was giving codes away if you signed up.
edit: here is the link for it 
http://www.gamespot.com/event/codes/battlefield-bc2-beta/
edit again: Sorry they ran out of codes

Posted by 2Yewtz

Wow, I haven't played a Battlefield game since 2... this makes me want to revisit it. Such a different FPS experience than most things out there.

Posted by giyanks22

looks really good.

Posted by Korone

This game is looking way better than I ever would've imagined. 
 
Jeff is a bit of a noob, though. lol

Posted by SpikeDelight

Looks alright, I think I'm gonna prefer COD but I'll probably play it for a bit

Posted by Tennmuerti

I am not usually into the multilayer component of FPS games, I'm more of a single player person (unless it's an MMO) but this QL actually made me interested, might consider getting this in the future on PC. Feels really atmospheric.

Posted by Cypher
@natetodamax: 
It's the map, I'm pretty sure. It seems there's a colour correction (which would be map-specific) that they applied that saturates the colours a bit to emphasize how bright the bright areas are and such. In game there's no difference; I've never seen blinding bloom, I can still see guys just as fine (occasionally moreso because the characters end up looking like black pixels against a bright yellow-white hill), and it makes the game look better.
 
By the way, after playing the beta a ton (almost at ten hours), whenever I go home to play MW2, I can't help but think how much better BC2 is, and how frustrating and bothersome MW2 tends to be. MW2's high moments are nowhere near as good as BC2's, BC2 doesn't have any bullshit one-hit-kills (except headshots, which are fairly rare and you have to earn them [e.g. when sniping, bullets are not only non-instantaneous, but also arc!]), and there's a greater emphasis on the team and squad than MW2 where helping out your team is almost always "kill the bad guy" and not "placing health kits", or "spotting enemies", or "laying down a motion sensor" or "getting a bunch of people in a humvee to drive them to the front lines". So it just ends up being a lot richer, more varied, more interesting, and more memorable than MW2 ever is.
 
Most of all, though, you also don't have a single player getting a huge amount of inertia due to a 5-killstreak giving them a sentry gun, followed up with two easy kills from that leading to a harrier, followed up with another few easy kills leading to a pave low or some shit and then it might as well be game over for the opposing team who is totally bummed out because that one guy had a lucky streak that is now dominating them and screwing them over.
Posted by TheHBK

Man that gun animation really really sucks.  Looks like they tried too hard.  DOnt make it wave around so much when just walking or jogging.

Posted by MikeydCT

I should be getting a code soon from EA, had to put in order 3 battlefield games and I won.

Edited by Seppli

Battlefield is a game about angles and taking those angles to the extreme. Since the maps are huge and you can interact (aka shoot) as far as you can see, most player's will have to readjust their gameplay horizon to cater for this circumstance. Only if you can think as far ahead as your gun can shoot (depending on your kit/vehicle) will you succeed at Battlefield. At least when it comes to positive K/D, high scores and taking/defending objectives.
 
If you are being shot in the back, you and your team haven't covered all the angles. It's uncommon, but sometimes my team and I manage to keep our frontline tight and fight then enemy head-on on the entire width of the map.  Fantastically epic! Best gaming experience online multiplayer warfare can offer. It also opens up the possibility of playing a perfect game. My best round attacking running assault kit infantry combat only was 68/1. Cheerful!
 
I am about 60 hours into the PS3 beta (top 50 on the leaderboard of BF nuts) with about 5000 Kills on 2300 Deaths.  Still unlocking new stuff, trying out new playstyles, weapons and specializations mixes and enjoying myself so much. As a Battlefield veteran since 1942, I can definitly confirm that BF:BC 2 will be my new favorite Battlefield game and is gonna be my online multiplayer gaming baseline for the foreseeable future.
 
Everybody with a mind fit to conquer the horizon has to play Battlefield. Becoming a Battlefield veteran is extremely rewarding. The depth, diversity and fidelity of gameplay is unmatched and unrivaled in online multiplayer gaming.

Posted by Seppli

Oh - and thanks for the Quicklook Jeff & Ryan. Always good for a laugh or two.

Posted by HydraHam
@kagekage: 
Yes.. obviously i am a troll because i dislike a game you like.  /fail
Posted by HydraHam
@jmrwacko said:
" @skilzlost: You all do realize that it was just a joke, right? Jeff made that comment sardonically and laughed about it afterwards. The dis about "British English" not being real English is humorous because it's traditionally considered the other way around, and because most of the users here are Americans and identify more with the American spelling. They were making jokes about colloquial phrases in the UK during that quiz game quicklook, and nobody threw a tantrum there.
 

@kagekage

said:

" @Styl3s said:

" @jmrwacko said:

" @Styl3s said:
" I played the beta for about 15 minutes before turning it off and going back to MW2, this game is such garbage. "
Sarcasm? "
Yes it's sarcasm because I (in my opinion) think this game is complete and utter garbage, sorry that you have a completely different opinion then mine.  I swear the internet is full of dense people. "
^ Troll. "

You had such a strong negative opinion about the game after only playing a beta that I thought you couldn't be serious. But I guess you are. Have fun with your game-ending kill streaks.
 
@target_render said:

" Jeff, to get the vehicles in a third person view, press UP on the D-pad dude!    My only gripe is the flickery badly aliased graphics compared to the first game.  Hope that gets cleaned up in the final game. "

The graphics in general are better though, because of the awesome lighting effects and improved destructibility. That outdoors bloom effect is insane, I love it.  Also, this is the PS3 version. I'm sure the PC version will have scaled up graphics, including the option for 8x or 16x AA. "
So i am not allowed to dislike a game from a beta? i have to play the entire full retail game to make my own opinion up? i hated the first BC, this game is almost a carbon copy, you cry beta yet this game will be almost exactly the same once it hits retail, this isnt some closed alpha test, halo 3 beta was the same, MW beta was the same, BC beta was the same this will be the same only with fewer glitches
Posted by freelead

I guess talking and playing is very hard...
Posted by myghart
@VanderSEXXX: That's exactly the thing that had me sold after playing the demo of the first. The freaking sounds.
Posted by hyperwired

at 7:07 there is a graphical bug, tree pops in and out.

Posted by Death_Unicorn

I really cannot wait for this.

Posted by Fritzerbacon

Driving vehicles isn't just first person. At least when I played this at PAX (which it has changed since) you could toggle the view while in vehicles to third person.

Posted by kagekage
@Styl3s: No because you just basically bashed a game and called another superior to said game.
No one needs retarded comments like yours trying to start shit. If you have an opinion, great! Make sure you express it in a way that's appropriate. We have enough retards running around the internet.
Stop trying to start a flame war, we all know you were.
BTW, I never said I liked BC1 or BC2 (PST I play and like MW2 than Battlefield). You just assumed that. And when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. Mostly you in this case :P
Posted by hitdog867

its not as good as its hyped to be
Posted by BritishJam

Looking good

Posted by CowsWithGuns

Good quick look.  It's amazing to think this is the only thing slightly competing against modern warfare 2.  I hope it does well.  EA needs it.

Posted by SPACETURTLE

this looks so freaking awesome!

Posted by Buttes

Man, that part where the tower your squad was chilling in falls and you die was fantastic.

Posted by mythrol

Some things in this game look really awesome. Like the destructible environments is just great. Gives a true feeling of "no place to hide". But other things are just awful. It seems pretty much like whoever gets vechiles, wins. Also while I understand the need to make players spawn on teammates (any environment can be destroyed, so you can't have static spawns) I think that's not a good option for multiplayer.  Same goes for the gun animation while moving. I understand WHY they'd make the gun sway so much while moving but I really don't like that design choice.
 
Being an avid MW 1/2 player I was interested in seeing how this game was because so many people say "It's MW with vehicles". . .I have to say I don't know that I care for this play style. I'll have to wait for a 360 demo to give it try and really see if I like it, but right now I'd give the nudge to MW2. It seems BC2 is focusing more on realism and while that's great for those who are into it, I prefer the complete choas and fun of MW.

Posted by rateoforange

I've always enjoyed the BC series, so it's disappointing to see it slagged so often by people who clearly don't understand it. 
 
It's not Modern Warfare. It's not even "Modern Warfare with vehicles"--which doesn't even make sense, btw.
 
It's a game of deferred gratification! Modern Warfare is like being hooked up to an IV of fun. Drip drip drip. Battlefield is like shooting up with an illegal fun drug. When it's good it hits you in the face like the red hot blast of a jet engine. Then you come down and spend the next hour rolled up in a ball and crying. This quick look is, if anything, a good illustration of the withdrawal phase: running around a lot, getting smacked around by vehicles and generally sucking it up. There's another side to the coin, but you'll only see it if you're willing to wait. And it is so good. 
 
BTW Battlefield 2 collection is half off today on steam.

Posted by kagekage

the beta is amazing! loving the action so far
but i hate how i have to zoom out of the sniper every fucking time i shoot

Posted by mythrol
@rateoforange said:
" I've always enjoyed the BC series, so it's disappointing to see it slagged so often by people who clearly don't understand it.   It's not Modern Warfare. It's not even "Modern Warfare with vehicles"--which doesn't even make sense, btw. It's a game of deferred gratification! Modern Warfare is like being hooked up to an IV of fun. Drip drip drip. Battlefield is like shooting up with an illegal fun drug. When it's good it hits you in the face like the red hot blast of a jet engine. Then you come down and spend the next hour rolled up in a ball and crying. This quick look is, if anything, a good illustration of the withdrawal phase: running around a lot, getting smacked around by vehicles and generally sucking it up. There's another side to the coin, but you'll only see it if you're willing to wait. And it is so good.   BTW Battlefield 2 collection is half off today on steam. "
I think that's the problem. Everything about our society is focused on INSTANT gratification. 
 
More on point with what you said: It's a clear design decision whether to put vehicles in multiplayer or not. I personally GET what they're trying to do with BC2. I understand the thought process behind their decisions. The problem is, I personally don't think I'd find those design decisions as enjoyable as the angle MW took.
 
The whole point behind MW2 is balance. Trying to get everything to balance out so true player skill is seen. That's why for every airstrike / missile their is a counter. Whether it be leaving yourself defenseless while you use it, or the fact that most of the strikes can be destroyed with a mere rocket or two, rendering your hard work on killstreaks useless. . .there's always a ying to the yang. 
 
I simply don't see that with BC2. If you're in a tank, you own. It's as simple as that from the QL at least. That's my concern. I'm very interested in playing BC2. And it certainly has as things that look to hold great potential. 
 
The problem is, I want to have control over how well I fair. In MW2 you can jump into a game that's half through and still bring the team back by your play. Because the battlefield is even. I couldn't imagine jumping in BC2 on defense when the attacking team is loaded with tanks just pegging people left and right. Heck most of the time it looked like Jeff was in a decent enough hiding place. 
 
I realize that BC2 is going for a more realistic angle. That's fine. It just looks like they gave up some of the fun "for the sake of realism".
 
This view could however change, depending on when I play the beta. But the QL certainly didn't color BC2 in a positive light.
Posted by Johnny5

Is it just me or is the video quality going down lately? New encoding?

Edited by Seppli
@mythrol said:

" @rateoforange said:

" I've always enjoyed the BC series, so it's disappointing to see it slagged so often by people who clearly don't understand it.   It's not Modern Warfare. It's not even "Modern Warfare with vehicles"--which doesn't even make sense, btw. It's a game of deferred gratification! Modern Warfare is like being hooked up to an IV of fun. Drip drip drip. Battlefield is like shooting up with an illegal fun drug. When it's good it hits you in the face like the red hot blast of a jet engine. Then you come down and spend the next hour rolled up in a ball and crying. This quick look is, if anything, a good illustration of the withdrawal phase: running around a lot, getting smacked around by vehicles and generally sucking it up. There's another side to the coin, but you'll only see it if you're willing to wait. And it is so good.   BTW Battlefield 2 collection is half off today on steam. "

I think that's the problem. Everything about our society is focused on INSTANT gratification.   More on point with what you said: It's a clear design decision whether to put vehicles in multiplayer or not. I personally GET what they're trying to do with BC2. I understand the thought process behind their decisions. The problem is, I personally don't think I'd find those design decisions as enjoyable as the angle MW took.  The whole point behind MW2 is balance. Trying to get everything to balance out so true player skill is seen. That's why for every airstrike / missile their is a counter. Whether it be leaving yourself defenseless while you use it, or the fact that most of the strikes can be destroyed with a mere rocket or two, rendering your hard work on killstreaks useless. . .there's always a ying to the yang.   I simply don't see that with BC2. If you're in a tank, you own. It's as simple as that from the QL at least. That's my concern. I'm very interested in playing BC2. And it certainly has as things that look to hold great potential.   The problem is, I want to have control over how well I fair. In MW2 you can jump into a game that's half through and still bring the team back by your play. Because the battlefield is even. I couldn't imagine jumping in BC2 on defense when the attacking team is loaded with tanks just pegging people left and right. Heck most of the time it looked like Jeff was in a decent enough hiding place.   I realize that BC2 is going for a more realistic angle. That's fine. It just looks like they gave up some of the fun "for the sake of realism".  This view could however change, depending on when I play the beta. But the QL certainly didn't color BC2 in a positive light. "
Dude, BF:BC 2 is well balanced. Tanks are strong - yes. A single infantryman will have a hard time taking it down on his own - just as it should be. It's a team effort to take a good tanker down. You can sneak up on it and blow it up with C4 solo - ninjastyle. You can call in a mortarstrike. You can paint the target with a tracer dart and fire RPGs at it out of cover. The team should do all of these things. All at the same time. All the time.
 
It all depends on your team. If the team is comprised of dumbass cornercampers who think in terms of good camping/hiding spots and believe it's the way to victory (it's not, it might be okay for cheap kills, that's all), then you are out of luck and should switch servers ASAP in hope of finding better Battlefield players on the next server. 
 
A good team puts pressure on the enemey, at all times. It takes two good teams to bring out the true potential of a Battlefield game. In Rush mode, this pressure creates an epic frontline where the two teams clash violently at each other. A frontline which is ultimately balanced as intended by the developers.
 
The balance between attackers and defenders shifts from maptier to maptier, as does the gameplay focus. Let's take the Arica Harbour Map for example.
 
Maptier 1 - Attackers get more hardware. 4 vs 2 tanks. Vehicle-centric tier. Key to defender's victory in tier 1 is to keep their 2 tanks alive at all costs and putting a ton of pressure on incoming tanks with RPGs/TOWs and Mortar Strikes. Snipers have to take out the UAV quickly, because it can onehit kill tanks with a perfect shot. Snipers have to flank the enemy in order to take out engineers and blow up tanks with C4 ninja-style. Engineer, Assault and Medic should stick close to the base, support each other and the defending tanks and take out ATV/Jeep rushers. A defender maptier 1 victory is hard to achieve, but I've done it quite a couple of times. It was amazing teamwork.
 
Maptier 2 - 1 Heavy Tank spawn for each side & remaining hardware from maptier 1. Very easy to take for the attackers, if they got a good tank commander. Both buildings which house the objectives can be brought down ontop of them. Defenders can be victorious in this maptier by pushing up to the hill with their tank and a majority of their infantrymen. Engaging infantrymen and tanks into an ongoing skirmish. Keeping the attackers on lockdown in their base.
 
Maptier 3 - 1 Heavy Tank spawn for the attackers. Gameplay shifts more and more to infantry on infantry combat. Very easy to take tanks down with C4. Push/sneak to the crates to win this maptier as an attacker. Keep the tank at range until your infantrymen are in arming range of the crate, then follow up to cover their asses. Very easy to get a good LOS on both crates, since they are  at the foot of a hill. Defenders have to spread out well. Just be sure that there's guys everywhere, left hillside, construction site and seaside. Stay in intervention range.
 
Maptier 4 - 1 Heavy Tank spawn for the attackers. This is the fight at the bridge. My favorite maptier. Attackers have to  cross the bridge or the river under it to get to the crates. Defenders have to hold the Bridge to win this maptier. It's very important to hold the attackers off at bridge and not let them cross.
 
Maptier 5 - 1 Heavy Tank spawn for the attackers. Pretty easy to defend. As long as you don't let the enemy flank you from the left. Push until you are infront of your base and make your stand there. The left flank has to be manned too. Defenders win by holding the groundlevel of the construction site and keeping the left flank clean. Attackers have to push their way in.
 
The better the general playerbase gets the more will the game balance as it is intended. Right now, there are way too many people not knowing what they're doing or just messin' around to test it all out.
 
Cornercampers on the defending side let the enemy come to them instead of making them fight for every inch of the map. Wrong attitude. Look at the enemy. Shoot at him early. Don't hide in a corner like a scared little pre-school girl. 
 
Also, it's wierd for a guy who has obviously never played the game to talk about it's balance as if you know it. Taking down tanks is a team effort. That's how they're balanced. If you got a shitty team, you will have a hard time taking them down. Unless your sitting in an Apache. Then the tank suddenly is the prey and not the predator. Too bad there aren't any attackchoppers on the Beta map.
Posted by Seppli

Ever heard of 'Rock, Paper, Scissors' balance? Well Battlefield is that kind of game.
 
Don't try cutting rock with your scissors... simple as that.

Posted by lacke
@Seppli: I agree with most of your points except that taking down a tank doesn't take that much team effort. At the most two rocket shots from the behind is sufficient or one if you place it right. And of course, in BC1 snipers had "predator missiles" which would one-shot the tank.
 
@mythrol: The same could be said about the killstreak rewards in MW2. A harrier or AC130 will rip the other team if they don't shoot it down. In this QL Jeff's team just let the tank rain on them. Although now that the defenders have infinite tickets I guess you don't have to be worrying about dying as much as defender.
 
No offense to Jeff but he did play poorly. I don't blame him. LIke the bombcast said about MW2, if you're just an average person getting in to this game, it will be hard. Although it's pretty hard to forgive him for the mistake he made in 16:25. Both of them were enemies. I just watched it again and I guess maybe the name plate confused him but even if so, seeing an enemy spawn out of nowhere should have raised a flag.

Don't confuse BF with ARMA. DICE have stated fun before realism and BF has a rock-paper-scissors philosophy to it. For every weapon, there's a weapon to counter it.
Posted by lacke
@Branthog said:

" @lacke said:

" @Adziboy said:
" I guess it's just me that is still wondering why the same company is making 2 games, from the same franchise one after the other, but not related, but yet are aiming at the exact same target audience. Battlefield 3 and Bad Company for those who are confused. "
Not really. BC2 is a console game with a PC port while BF3 is most likely a PC exclusive. "
What would suck about that is that as much as I am looking forward to a BF3, I no longer build a new top of the line massive gaming rig every twelve months like I have my entire adult life. Not because I don't want to, but because there aren't enough PC exclusives or games that I look forward to so much to justify it anymore. I have yet to find a game (other than EVE) that holds my interest long term as far as MMOs go and Civilization IV is years old and who knows if there will ever be a Civilization V. I just don't think I'm going to head out and build a new game rig just for BF3 like I did for BF2 in 2005. *sigh*  And really, short of dedicated servers, I don't see what could be done on the PC that couldn't be done on the console these days. It's not like an RTS, where the UI is impossible to implement.  Then again, as BF3 gets closer, I may get more impulsive... "
 
32vs32 wouldn't be possible without downscaling, but I'm only guessing. Nah, maybe you're right. BF3 could probably be done on the consoles if they really wanted to. However, it's supposed to cater to BF's PC audience and I'd hate to see them downscaling anything to favor eventual the console ports. BC1 had dedicated servers, btw.
 
I'm kind of in the same boat as you. I haven't upgraded in almost three years and I used to upgrade every year but I don't really feel like I have to anymore. My PC can still keep up relatively good. However I've been looking for an excuse to buy a new PC and BF3 will be it.
Posted by Player1
@Johnny5 said:
" Is it just me or is the video quality going down lately? New encoding? "
I was gonna ask the same thing. My video is skipping pretty badly. And I'm 90 percent sure its not my pc
Posted by stormdrill27

everyone wins on the offense and the defense always lose

Edited by MrKlorox
@rateoforange said:

" BTW Battlefield 2 collection is half off today on steam. "

You can get a key for use on EADM for the same price, all the time, at ozcdkeys. I did this a few months back before patch 1.50. Nobody has an excuse not to now.
Posted by Light_Bahamut

With MW2 on the PC being such a letdown, this game has now captured my interest.

Posted by th0a

Look Like Battlefield, and thats always a good thing