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@xseanzx said:

It's pretty crazy Stalin is actually viewed as a hero in Russia. lol.

Like, they love him. They have statues and shit in his honor.

Err what?

It's the polar opposite. The Stalinist regime is the most hated in Russia's history and statues erected during his rule were systematically torn down afterwards almost completely, with very few remaining for historical preservation purposes and to remind of his crimes. Stalingrad was renamed. Even his sole major positive contribution during the war is highly critizised as inept and leading to many more deaths then necessary. The atrocities he committed before and after the war are likened to Hitler, millions of Russian people were killed or imprisoned during repression. My grandma's uncle never got back from a train commute one day after expressing negative views.

You couldn't be more ignorant.

And frankly i'm disgusted, not by this sheer ignorance (anyone can not know things), but your willingness to spout it when knowing nothing on the subject as serious as this.

Edited by Tandar1

Man, this game looks great but Brad playing it really does turn it in to a directionless bore. It's such a shame, Brad is my favorite person on the site but he seems to have a really hard time paying attention to games when he's on camera/recording.

I feel the same way :/

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@thedudeofgaming said:

God damn it Brad. Operation Barbarossa was the biggest military operation in history with over 4.000.000 German soldiers attacking Russia. Some of the biggest battles in history were fought on the eastern front, most notably the Battle of Stalingrad and the Battle of Kursk. The Germans attacked Russia suddenly, thus violating the non-aggression pact. Stalin was in shock for weeks and was unwilling to accept the fact that Hitler attacked. Perhaps the only correct thing you said was the purges Stalin committed in 1938-39 in which many Red Army officers were killed.

The winter? It certainly was a big factor but to say that it killed more Germans than soviet troops is ignorant. The soviets held Stalingrad without the winter, and the harshest part of the winter occurred when the soviets were getting ready to surround Von Paulus's sixth army. It was when the sixth army was encircled that they suffered (most) deaths due to hypothermia. The German army was ill equipped for the WINTER because they planned to Blitzkrieg the Soviet Union. Not foreseeing the winter and not counting on the fierce resistance the Soviet Army would display when the Germans arrived at Stalingrad. But the German army was otherwise very well equipped and the most elite German units were being sent to the eastern front through out the war.

The victory at Stalingrad was the turning point of the war, but what decided the war was the Battle of Kursk, it was fought July - August.

And I love how you westerners see the Russian victory on the eastern front as General Winter. Lets forget the fact that the nazis suffered 80% of their casualties at Russian hands. You Americans entered the war in 1944, by that time Russians took care of most of the German army.

In conclusion it's extremely ignorant to say that the war in the east was won by the winter and it's offensive to the memory of all the men and women that gave their lives in defense of the Motherland.

/rant

And don't blame me, Brad opened the can of worms. Although I still love you Brad <3

The Americans entered the war at the end of 1941, and we were actually fighting the Germans in 1942. Also, most westerners don't attribute the victory to "General Winter." It was a combined effort between the USSR, UK, and US on all fronts that led to the end. It's extremely ignorant to say the USSR, or any nation, won WW2 by themselves.

Many more nations were involved, and many of them since 1939.

Posted by EuanDewar

Brad, if you're going to cover a game please, please endeavour to have it be not quite so awkward as this. Whether it's delaying the quick look for a little while so you can properly get your head round the game or something please take whatever steps you need to take to make the content better because this just isn't fun for anyone. I'm not saying this from any place of maliciousness or internet nerd rage, I just really like this site and I don't wanna have start skipping videos because of stuff like this. You don't have to be some wizard at the game you're showing, you just have to be competent enough to be informative.

Edited by EvilTwin

Now I just want to watch Band of Brothers again.

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@oppai2 said:

Talking about duds left from the WW2.

This happened while I was away on vacation in my home town of Munich. I couldn´t believe it at the time in 2012.

Bomb exploded in Munich in 2012

Fellow German here. We find a couple thousand bombs every year, many don't have to be detonated or aren't in densly populated areas, but it's actually not that special.

Posted by gike987

@spicyrichter said:

@befo72 said:

@yeliwofthecorn: I've been thinking this for a while. Giantbomb has quickly become my favorite gaming site, but being primarily a PC Gamer, sometimes I'm frustrated by the seeming apathy towards both the platform and the very different types of games that tend to exist on it. GB does a nice job covering indie PC games in their Quick Looks, but sometimes the AAA exclusives---this game being a good example---aren't given as much or as loving attention as I'd like to see, with a few notable exceptions (DOTA being a big one).

I'm not nearly as upset at this QL as some others seem to be. Do I think Brad could have done a better, more conscientious job? Yes. But at least they tried. I really didn't expect a Quick Look for this at all.

I think you're mistaking apathy for dry historical RTS' for apathy towards the PC. I think I've heard 'I'm going to play this on the PC' more times in the last year than in a while.

If this was a PC exclusive FPS, TPS or puzzle platformer, it would get a lot more attention and fanfare.

Yes they do play a lot of games on the PC, but they mostly use them as more powerful consoles. They are not really interested in any typical PC games (SC2 and DOTA being the exceptions, and that's only Brad). They almost always play the games with a controller, even when it's really cumbersome compared to the M+KB controls.

To be fair if you are PC gamer you should probably be used to this, almost all sites use their PCs like that. The only real English coverage of PC games are Rock, Paper, Shotgun and people on YouTube.

I really miss Dave, he was one of few who would cover a game like for example Crusader Kings II.

Posted by BrokenPoem

I really wish Drew got in on more Quick Looks.

Posted by Crickut

It's hard to watch Brad do video games sometimes.

Edited by EndlessMike

@thedudeofgaming: We entered the war in 1941 and fought constant battles against the Japanese in the Pacific (distracting them from attacking Stalin and allowing him to move troops from the Manchurian border to the western theatre). Furthermore we invaded North Africa with the British and then, also with the British, invaded Italy thus effectively removing Hitler's strongest ally in Europe. Combined with massive bombing raids across Axis infrastructure and industry (The US produced more aircraft than both Russia and the UK combined) and the D-Day invasion which led to the recapture of France and then the invasion of Western Germany (Yes I realize it was a combined operation of all the allies, not just the US). Furthermore from even the early days of the war we were shipping massive amounts of munitions, supplies, and industrial equipment to all allied countries, including almost 4 million tons of goods to the USSR (which was sent free of charge btw). I understand that its easy to hate on America and try to limit their importance in the war but their impact was massive.

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Jesus Christ, Brad.

Posted by yeliwofthecorn
@gike987 said:

@spicyrichter said:

@befo72 said:

@yeliwofthecorn: I've been thinking this for a while. Giantbomb has quickly become my favorite gaming site, but being primarily a PC Gamer, sometimes I'm frustrated by the seeming apathy towards both the platform and the very different types of games that tend to exist on it. GB does a nice job covering indie PC games in their Quick Looks, but sometimes the AAA exclusives---this game being a good example---aren't given as much or as loving attention as I'd like to see, with a few notable exceptions (DOTA being a big one).

I'm not nearly as upset at this QL as some others seem to be. Do I think Brad could have done a better, more conscientious job? Yes. But at least they tried. I really didn't expect a Quick Look for this at all.

I think you're mistaking apathy for dry historical RTS' for apathy towards the PC. I think I've heard 'I'm going to play this on the PC' more times in the last year than in a while.

If this was a PC exclusive FPS, TPS or puzzle platformer, it would get a lot more attention and fanfare.

Yes they do play a lot of games on the PC, but they mostly use them as more powerful consoles. They are not really interested in any typical PC games (SC2 and DOTA being the exceptions, and that's only Brad). They almost always play the games with a controller, even when it's really cumbersome compared to the M+KB controls.

To be fair if you are PC gamer you should probably be used to this, almost all sites use their PCs like that. The only real English coverage of PC games are Rock, Paper, Shotgun and people on YouTube.

I really miss Dave, he was one of few who would cover a game like for example Crusader Kings II.

Yeah, I've never understood playing (for instance) an FPS with a controller. With the exception of a few console exclusives or games that are obviously designed console-first (Halo 1) the controls always struck me as incredibly clunky and you lose almost all hope for precision in movement and aiming.

I get most of the GB crew just have spent so long with controllers that it's more natural, but it would be nice to have a mouse and keyboard perspective every once in a while.

Posted by RedRavN

After watching this quick look I was disappointed with the amount of fumbling around and misinformation about the games systems. RTS games are pretty complicated and there is a lot going on under the hood, although COH is on the easier side to pick up and play. I just wish the crew was a bit more prepared with this game because I think it misrepresents the game and makes it seem like an impenetrable mess. The game is not slow and clunky at all. Its just more authentic if it takes time to set up things like MGs and mortars. The game is more about positioning and anticipating enemy attacks rather than just right clicking on stuff.

Imagine a quicklook of starcraft 2 where the staff spends 10 minutes how to raise supply by building supply depots and then another 10 minutes fumbling around trying to get siege tanks. It would be pretty easy to make that game look like an awkward mess also even if it is a refined masterpiece. You wouldn't show a great fighting game by demoing it with a person who doesn't get the controls and dies repeatedly.

I'm bitching because I think this kind of stuff happens too often on this site and COH2 deserves more of a fair shake then it got in this quicklook. I think the video format needs to explain what the game is, what its features are, and who would most like it, and what the giantbomb staff thinks of it. A lot of this "unpreparedness" kind of takes away from the value of the quicklook to me. I mean, how am I supposed to use the opinions of people that are obviously struggling with the most basic parts of the game to figure out if I like a game or not? I still think brad and vinny are a good quicklook team but I shudder to think what would happen if they tried to quicklook wargame: airland battle LOL.

Edited by Dynamitekyle

Loved the history talk. I really don't care how well the game is being played; I come to the site because I enjoy listening to the crew chat about interesting stuff.

Chill the fuck out, guys.

Posted by Conrad148

God it's so frustrating watching brad play any kind game. It's like he's purposely tries to have 0 situation awareness. There's so much UI on screen dedicated to telling you what to do, yet he's clueless. How could he lose track of where the howitzer was? Has he never seen a map in an rts before?

Posted by Marokai

I admire the attempts the staff is making at ensuring Patrick's absence isn't reflected in content output, but...

Posted by RollingZeppelin

@humanity said:

@thedudeofgaming: considering what the men and women of the motherland did to the eastern front after the war I don't think respect is an appropriate emotion that should be conveyed towards Soviet forces.

Stalin and communism are one thing, and the Soviet army is another. If you're referring to the killing of German POW, they had it coming.

If you're referring to the Eastern Bloc the US and UK governments are also responsible by allowing Stalin to basically annex those countries. See the Yalta conference for more information.

Oh and tell me how the US involvement in the middle east is any better.

He's probably referring to the many atrocities the Russian Army committed after occupying German cities such as the Rape of Berlin.

Posted by Chrisbot84

Got ten, maybe fifteen minutes into the quicklook before I had to shut it off. I love hearing Brads insights on games and technology, but the man completely and utterly fucking sucks at playing games on camera. It's almost unbearable to watching him play during live streams. I love ya man, but maybe it's time to take a step back from playing things in front of others for a while?

Posted by XannerZ

@korolev: +1

In fact 1 of the great failings of German planning for the Invasion was to discount female participation in the war when estimating the relative strength of the Soviet Army.

Posted by Draxyle

Loved the history talk. I really don't care how well the game is being played; I come to the site because I really enjoy listening to the crew chat about interesting stuff.

Chill the fuck out, guys.

Concur'd. No need to raise the torches and pitchforks.

Flawless play isn't really valuable for someone who's on the fence for such a game anyhow. Some of that fumbling certainly echoed my own first experiences with the franchise.

Edited by chadj

Speaking of WWII history.... I heartily recommend Dan Carlin's "Ghosts of the Ostfront" mini audio book series.

Episode 1 available here:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/episode-27-ghosts-ostfront/id635055575

and the series is available here:

http://dancarlin.com/dccart/index.php?main_page=product_music_info&cPath=3&products_id=184&zenid=c1049ec5016812b14245c1ce71f6b81e

Absolutely fantastic coverage of the eastern front.

This series originally aired as Hardcore History (http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive) episodes.

Posted by leem101

haha fucking hell brad, its not starcraft

would love to see him do a quick look of the next civ 5 expansion, just mass clicking all over the place like crazy

ha still love brad though :D

Posted by dvorak

What a surprise that like 1 out of 10 people in this comments thread even know what they are talking about when it comes to history on a video games website.

Posted by Colourful_Hippie

That was hard to watch and I'm surprised I'm even saying that.

Posted by EveretteScott

@crickut said:

It's hard to watch Brad do video games sometimes.

>sometimes

Posted by ArtisanBreads

That was hard to watch and I'm surprised I'm even saying that.

Couldn't agree more. Not usually the critical type but man...

Posted by ArtisanBreads

@chadj said:

Speaking of WWII history.... I heartily recommend Dan Carlin's "Ghosts of the Ostfront" mini audio book series.

Episode 1 available here:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/episode-27-ghosts-ostfront/id635055575

and the series is available here:

http://dancarlin.com/dccart/index.php?main_page=product_music_info&cPath=3&products_id=184&zenid=c1049ec5016812b14245c1ce71f6b81e

Absolutely fantastic coverage of the eastern front.

This series originally aired as Hardcore History (http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive) episodes.

Hardcore History is the best. This is a really great series of podcasts. Learned a lot.

Posted by MajorZero64

C'mon Brad...

Posted by buckybit

@redravn said:

After watching this quick look I was disappointed with the amount of fumbling around and misinformation about the games systems. RTS games are pretty complicated and there is a lot going on under the hood, although COH is on the easier side to pick up and play. I just wish the crew was a bit more prepared with this game because I think it misrepresents the game and makes it seem like an impenetrable mess. The game is not slow and clunky at all. Its just more authentic if it takes time to set up things like MGs and mortars. The game is more about positioning and anticipating enemy attacks rather than just right clicking on stuff.

Imagine a quicklook of starcraft 2 where the staff spends 10 minutes how to raise supply by building supply depots and then another 10 minutes fumbling around trying to get siege tanks. It would be pretty easy to make that game look like an awkward mess also even if it is a refined masterpiece. You wouldn't show a great fighting game by demoing it with a person who doesn't get the controls and dies repeatedly.

I'm bitching because I think this kind of stuff happens too often on this site and COH2 deserves more of a fair shake then it got in this quicklook. I think the video format needs to explain what the game is, what its features are, and who would most like it, and what the giantbomb staff thinks of it. A lot of this "unpreparedness" kind of takes away from the value of the quicklook to me. I mean, how am I supposed to use the opinions of people that are obviously struggling with the most basic parts of the game to figure out if I like a game or not? I still think brad and vinny are a good quicklook team but I shudder to think what would happen if they tried to quicklook wargame: airland battle LOL.

I am torn myself.

On one end, I want to be grateful, that they are even trying to 'address' the existence of this game, as in do a Quick Look, fully aware, they will be torn apart in the comments.

On the other end, the utter lack of knowledge or interest in strategy games on this website (but not only this one), is a shameful display. Crusader Kings 2, Hearts of Iron, Europa Universalis, Victoria 2, the Total War games, and yes, the excellent Wargame: Airland Battle, etc, etc ... one of the leading "video game" websites in the United States, has no clue about a big chunk of video games. Draws a blank page. Grown men in their thirties reached their limit. Silence. 404.

There is no Rob Zacny here, no Jason Ocampo, no Greg Kasavin.

... it's not that I expect them to play "Gary Grisby's War in the East".

This website was build around dumbness and amateur "video game journalism" - making fun of games - never about presenting them in a decent way? "Pretending" to run a video game website only goes so far. They are making a living out of having become 'personalities', audiences like or like to hate. People even pay for that.

Strategy games are a perfect way to find out who in the "video game journalism" department is how dumb? Talking about strategy games tells a lot about them? Complaining about the lack of a tutorial (Jeff Mattas, Garnett Lee), campaign story, cutscene fidelity (Kevin Van Ord, now Brad), complaining about the game THEY want to play (as "gamers" - what happened to the "job"-part?), instead trying to understand and evaluate the game that is there ... reading the reviews and comments, all this is highly saddening and equally entertaining.

THIS is the best Brad can do (Multiplayer part was fun? He had fun?)

Ryan or Jeff can't do it at all. They don't want to - never did.

I don't blame Brad for anything.

I blame myself for not being able to let go of this website, because I still like these guys.

Posted by Sticky_Pennies
Posted by eccentrix

Poor will-sm. This just made me want to play Mount & Blade.

Edited by FMinus

The reason this QL looks so messy is because they didn't play with a controller like they do with most of their PC games over here.

Posted by JJWeatherman

Brad, if you're going to cover a game please, please endeavour to have it be not quite so awkward as this. Whether it's delaying the quick look for a little while so you can properly get your head round the game or something please take whatever steps you need to take to make the content better because this just isn't fun for anyone. I'm not saying this from any place of maliciousness or internet nerd rage, I just really like this site and I don't wanna have start skipping videos because of stuff like this. You don't have to be some wizard at the game you're showing, you just have to be competent enough to be informative.

I'd argue that you don't even need to be competent, but at least have some amount of focus on the game and showing off what makes it interesting. This video was all over the place. It was a bit of a swing and a miss, but eh, it happens. Their batting average is still amazing.

Posted by bigsmoke77

I understand the comments on this video but you guys have to remember that Giantbomb's mission statement is to cover games they care about, not be a carte blanche gaming website. Even tho the GB crew are veterans of the industry they can still learn everyday, and one thing they can learn is to maybe learn the game and then do the quicklook. But it is a hard balance between doing the "dive into a game for a first time kinda quicklook" compared to a well educated video.

Edited by NekuSakuraba

Jeez, you guys are being harsh on Brad. :(

Not really interested in CoH, this does make me want to play some more Dawn of War 2 though.

Edited by xSeanZx

@xseanzx said:

It's pretty crazy Stalin is actually viewed as a hero in Russia. lol.

Like, they love him. They have statues and shit in his honor.

Err what?

It's the polar opposite. The Stalinist regime is the most hated in Russia's history and statues erected during his rule were systematically torn down afterwards almost completely, with very few remaining for historical preservation purposes and to remind of his crimes. Stalingrad was renamed. Even his sole major positive contribution during the war is highly critizised as inept and leading to many more deaths then necessary. The atrocities he committed before and after the war are likened to Hitler, millions of Russian people were killed or imprisoned during repression. My grandma's uncle never got back from a train commute one day after expressing negative views.

You couldn't be more ignorant.

And frankly i'm disgusted, not by this sheer ignorance (anyone can not know things), but your willingness to spout it when knowing nothing on the subject as serious as this.

you're fucking kidding me right? My dad was born and raised in Russia and experienced the admiration that Russians still have for Stalin. Most of them put aside the atrocities he committed because he is seen as a hero for bringing victory to their country.

People like you make me laugh because you sit there like you know it all when you don't know shit. Why don't you read the article I'm about to post and do some research. Stalin is absolutely still revered in Russia. Don't call me ignorant when you're the one who clearly doesn't have a grasp on reality.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2791776

Excuse the language but don't call me out as being ignorant and spewing nonsense when I know what I'm talking about. Also typing something this long sucks on a phone.

Oh and tell me this, if they took down those statues and hate him so much, why is there a rebuilt statue in the Georgian village of Alvani? Why do they have a bust of him in the Georgian capital? Yes, it is his hometown, but the point remains.

You couldn't be more wrong

Posted by Quantris

Bit odd that Vinny used "math games" to refer to the ones where you don't have to account for random effects in your strategy...

Posted by Benmo316

Normally I don't have any issues watching people play games. But watching Brad play CoH2 was rough. I don't know if paying more attention to the game would've helped since Brad didn't seem interested in the game from the start. I did enjoy what Brad was talking about when he was playing the campaign, but it did hurt my eyes watching him play.

Posted by NekuCTR

Brad please, less time recalling your extensive Wikipedia knowledge, more time focusing on the Quick Look.

Edited by FMinus

I'm not a Company of Heroes fan, I got the original with my video card and played maybe 2-3 hours of it, until I realized I don't like the World War II setting in my RTS games, more of a sci-fi guy regarding that, but I very much enjoy the hell out of the Dawn of War and Homeworld series.

That said, I know that Relic was pushing the RTS genre like no other studio did with their past games, Company of Heroes 2 is just a refinement of the original CoH or in other words, it's exactly what fans wanted.

Now I glanced over Metacritic and almost the majority of reviewers (not users) complain that CoH 2 is more of the same and that's their major complaint.

I would like to ask the same critics, why they gave StarCraft 2 such high scores and praise it into the heavens, because aside of a graphical facelift and fancy cutscenes the game is virtually the same as it was in the year 1998, where was the "we were waiting 12 years for a new StarCraft, but now it's just more of the same but more pretty." there.

That press bias towards specific studios is astonishing to me. I bet if and when Half-Life 3 hits, it will get perfect scores, weather it will be crap or not.

Posted by jettpack

I really enjoyed this quicklook. Good job brad.

Posted by Juda

These comments cracked me up.

Edited by Xshinobi

@fminus: It is odd the way the press condemns some sequels for being too similar to it's predecessor but then gives some a pass or even praise for being a refinement of the original. Borderlands 2 comes to mind as a sequel that was praised by the press for being more of the same.

Edited by LarryDavis

Yeah, I've been wondering that too. Diablo 3 and Broderbunds 2 were pretty much the same thing too, but apparently those games were sent into our eyeballs from glorious angels.

CoH was already the best RTS, so I'm not sure why more of the same (but with better LOS, pathing ai, and some other new systems) is so terrible.

Posted by dr_mantas

@xseanzx said:

It's pretty crazy Stalin is actually viewed as a hero in Russia. lol.

Like, they love him. They have statues and shit in his honor.

Err what?

It's the polar opposite. The Stalinist regime is the most hated in Russia's history and statues erected during his rule were systematically torn down afterwards almost completely, with very few remaining for historical preservation purposes and to remind of his crimes. Stalingrad was renamed. Even his sole major positive contribution during the war is highly critizised as inept and leading to many more deaths then necessary. The atrocities he committed before and after the war are likened to Hitler, millions of Russian people were killed or imprisoned during repression. My grandma's uncle never got back from a train commute one day after expressing negative views.

You couldn't be more ignorant.

And frankly i'm disgusted, not by this sheer ignorance (anyone can not know things), but your willingness to spout it when knowing nothing on the subject as serious as this.

You're right, but that attitude is changing nowadays. There's more and more fond remembrance of how "great" the Soviet days were. Especially by idiotic young nationalists who didn't even experience them.

What Stalin did is equivalent to Hitler, if not worse. And the occupation of Eastern Europe was a horrible atrocity that set most of the Soviet countries back decades if not more as compared to the rest of Europe.

Edited by jakonovski
Posted by xSeanZx

@xseanzx: You should read your own links (or their sources rather) and realize the issue of Stalin in Russia today cannot be answered with a simple yes or no.

http://carnegieendowment.org/2013/03/01/stalin-puzzle-deciphering-post-soviet-public-opinion/fmz8#

Did I ever say the answer was a simple yes or no? That was not the argument I was making. The article clearly shows that there is support, and it is only increasing. Which is what the other guy said was not the case. So whats the point of your quote? Because it surely is irrelevant to the argument I was making.

Edited by Tennmuerti

@xseanzx said:

@tennmuerti said:
@xseanzx said:

It's pretty crazy Stalin is actually viewed as a hero in Russia. lol.

Like, they love him. They have statues and shit in his honor.

Err what?

It's the polar opposite. The Stalinist regime is the most hated in Russia's history and statues erected during his rule were systematically torn down afterwards almost completely, with very few remaining for historical preservation purposes and to remind of his crimes. Stalingrad was renamed. Even his sole major positive contribution during the war is highly critizised as inept and leading to many more deaths then necessary. The atrocities he committed before and after the war are likened to Hitler, millions of Russian people were killed or imprisoned during repression. My grandma's uncle never got back from a train commute one day after expressing negative views.

You couldn't be more ignorant.

And frankly i'm disgusted, not by this sheer ignorance (anyone can not know things), but your willingness to spout it when knowing nothing on the subject as serious as this.

you're fucking kidding me right? My dad was born and raised in Russia and experienced the admiration that Russians still have for Stalin. Most of them put aside the atrocities he committed because he is seen as a hero for bringing victory to their country.

People like you make me laugh because you sit there like you know it all when you don't know shit. Why don't you read the article I'm about to post and do some research. Stalin is absolutely still revered in Russia. Don't call me ignorant when you're the one who clearly doesn't have a grasp on reality.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2791776

Excuse the language but don't call me out as being ignorant and spewing nonsense when I know what I'm talking about. Also typing something this long sucks on a phone.

Oh and tell me this, if they took down those statues and hate him so much, why is there a rebuilt statue in the Georgian village of Alvani? Why do they have a bust of him in the Georgian capital? Yes, it is his hometown, but the point remains.

You couldn't be more wrong

I'm not kidding you.

Yes there are tiny groups that do admire Stalin, but they are a minority. Also actually read the article instead of the headline. "Influential" political figure is not the same as loved. Hitler was influential too. It even goes on to say that yes the majority do have a negative perception.

And at the end of a Soviet Union Stalin was extremely hated and vilified, it's not hard to hate something less now after years have passed.

Georgia is not Russia, not sure if you knew that. And the point remains that almost all those statues he built for himself in Russia during his reign of terror have been torn down.

You have no first hand experience, and are going by distorted second hand accounts of western press. I know something about it because unlike you I actually live there and have talked to people in that country every day.

"The article clearly shows that there is support, and it is only increasing. Which is what the other guy said was not the case."

I have never said there is 0 support or that it's not increasing.

But the situation is nowhere near this statement:

"It's pretty crazy Stalin is actually viewed as a hero in Russia. lol. Like, they love him. They have statues and shit in his honor."

When most people do not in fact love him and those statues and shit a largely gone.

Those are 2 very very different things to argue, don't suddenly change your tune halfway through. This classical forum maneuver doesn't fly here.

Posted by Baal_Sagoth

Ugh. Deep breath. I'm really glad CoH2 got a QL and thus a little bit more exposure since I think it's well worth people's attention at least (flaws and all). I'm well aware that the format is supposed to be more of a first impression than anything remotely definitive or a display of glorious multitasking skills. But this time it all got dangerously close to not even giving the slightest fuck about checking out a game and giving it a fair shake. You're already aware of the significance of cover yet you show no signs of actually utilizing it, you're aware of the massive focus on tactical saviness and directional positioning but you're not even trying to get into that (favorite derp moment: "let's send the mortar to the frontlines!!!"), you call the MP slow-paced when you already fought and lost 3-4 major early game skirmishes within 5 minutes of play etc.

This is not an oldschool, generic RTS with a WW2 skin by any stretch of the imagination. It's fair to dislike it for that - I'm actually the same way in the sense that I have a hard time getting into SC-esque, base-building-heavy, spammy RTS games nowadays. Few people love both variants at the same time I think.

I hope I don't come off as too much of a whiny bitch and I'm not trying to hate on anyone but it saddens me a little to see such a focus on mainstream games like SC2 and DOTA that really don't neccessarily need even more exposure and other slightly more obscure games like CoH2 getting pushed to the sidelines (even on GB) despite being unique, interesting and well-made in many respects as well.

Good on you for giving it a shot at all though and, to be fair, you clearly stated your lack of experience with it and actually reached a nice, level-headed conclusion in the end. Hopefully that'll be enough for some potential fans to get some more info on the game.