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Edited by Yoggs

TL;DR: Game looks so-so, got more hate than it deserved but based on preconceived notions, something the staff here tend to do.

I know this has probably been said already and I know it's a waste of time to say anything with nearly 350 other comments already made, but I have to just say it anyway: Has anyone other than me ever noticed that when the staff have preconceived notions of a game, or find one or two aspects of a game that they don't like, they just stop giving any semblance of a fuck?

I've noticed it a few times. They go into a game expecting it to suck and then convince themselves it sucks by picking out all the little foibles and focusing on them. They don't even bother to try to find the positive aspects of a game or outright refuse to understand the point of the game, either intentionally or subconsciously. It's been touted from the beginning that the developers wanted to focus on a more realistic, "based on true events" story. They weren't going for Call of Duty's huge set pieces and crazy scenarios that no one could possibly survive. Then they bitch about the military jargon. Why wouldn't a game based on Tier 1 operators use military jargon? It's silly nit-picky shit like that that shows me they just don't care. It's like complaining that a game about Aliens has a couple spaceships in it.

Using this Quick Look as an example, you can tell right off the bat that they got a sour taste in their mouths from the need to download a patch and having to install the graphics upgrade. From that point on, it became open season for the negative comments and nitpicking. Even knowing Brad is notorious for his less-than-stellar gaming abilities, it was apparent that he just wanted to get this shit over with. Rushing head-first while obviously getting shot at, ignoring on-screen hints that tell you exactly what you need to do ("I guess I should learn how to read"); he was choosing to make the game look bad. The worst part was during the sniping sequence where he complained about the bullet drop. This is hardly the first game to introduce that mechanic and, like most of the other games that use bullet physics, it's all about getting a feel for it. However, it seems to me like Brad didn't want to and rather than take his time and concentrate and learn, he just fired like crazy and bitched about it the whole time.

Anyway, I rambled enough. I love the site and all the staff and everything but it's hard to see something get ripped apart by a critic without actually giving it a fair and unbiased look. They seemed dead-set from the get-go to hate this game and by the end of the video, I think they managed to convince themselves.

PS I should add that I'm not writing the above because I love this game or anything. It looks pretty mediocre at certain times and Brad, Patrick, and Ryan do make some valid points. I just wrote what I wrote because I think they were tearing apart a game that possibly doesn't deserve that much hate.

Posted by Wonloong

Boring game. More mindless shooting. The industry needs something fresher than these kinda trash.

Posted by Aristides

@BaconGames said:

Also I thought this QL was fine because I know how to properly contextualize the editors' comments. When Patrick says he's bored of shooters like this and then criticizes it later, I know what he means and how to interpret that. Same thing goes for when Brad plays a game and misses an obvious prompt or whatever. For years, and I mean years kids, Brad has said that part of his "pulling a Brad" reputation comes from the fact that he cannot do well under pressure of a camera. In the changes that games coverage went under, not all adjust perfectly but compared to the On the Spot Days, Brad has done very well for himself all told. Sure it's frustrating sometimes but c'mon y'all, you should be smarter than this. I'm honestly baffled at some of these comments who after so long, still don't comprehend the crucial component required to contextualize and interpret for themselves the things the staff say and do.

Exactly. Just like review scores, impressions in quick looks have to be taken in context. Usually negative commentary in a QL is an expression of a personal opinion, "I don't like this," or "I'm bored of this," rather than a sweeping definitive statement. Even when an editor says something seemingly definitive like "This is a bad game," I believe the comment is intended to be seen in light of what we know about that editor's personality, what kind of games they like, and that sort of thing.

A lot of the content on the site is editorial opinion, and yet people seem to get offended or angry when editorial opinions are offered. It makes me sigh and not read comments a lot, guys.

Edited by ghostNPC

I could forgive something that has the same tired gameplay, setting and constant scripted events if I cared about any of the characters or story. Something tells me that this game will neither of those.

Also, the CGI cutscenes really nailing it on the uncanny valley for some of the faces.

Posted by Draxyle

With the marketing, pages of day one patch notes with a complete information embargo, the track record of EA, the fact that they've been releasing modern military shooters more often than Activision (I'm pretty sure), Linkin Park, I do think they're pretty justified in their preconceived notions; especially when the game itself actually does hit every exacting typical note of a modern CoD title, and they're right to call it out. This very specific genre was already stale several years ago, and they haven't made any attempts to change it beyond extremely minor mechanics.

I may not even play these kinds of games myself, but I'm critical of them because I would like to see them get better and try new things. There are so many more different angles and storytelling techniques that could set these franchises apart, but they choose not to use them. This product just feels like it was conceptualized and designed by a marketing department, not from an artistic spark.

Posted by GnolTac

@Yoggs said:

Has anyone other than me ever noticed that when the staff have preconceived notions of a game, or find one or two aspects of a game that they don't like, they just stop giving any semblance of a fuck?

It doesn't always happen, but yeh I have noticed that with some other Quick Looks and those Quick Looks were the worst. I remember Serious Sam 3's Quick Look being a pretty grating offender of this.

Posted by fox01313

Interesting to see this though think that if I want something similar to this, I'll just stick with Battlefield3 . This game just seems a bit tame/average in the story & multiplayer for me.

Posted by Terrellism

I'm sorry but if this is how Brad approaches games he reviews, he should not be reviewing anything. The game mechanics and navigable terrain is so painfully obvious. I'm not defending the game at all, I think it's re-used garbage. Which is why it should be obvious how a modern day shooter should be played.

Posted by overlord_ofthedeadXD

They've probably played through half the campaign. :P

Posted by Roboculus92

Haters gonna hate.

Posted by YukoAsho

@MattGrant said:

I haven't watched the whole video yet or read all the comments, but....

I don't understand why there would be the "do not kill" civilian targets in a a terrorist's training scenario. I didn't think they'd be so picky in their terrorizing.

I think that's supposed to be other terrorists. You know, making sure you don't shoot your brothers in douchebaggery and all that.

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Posted by ripelivejam

i guess this just has the collateral benefit of making a game like Spec Ops: The Line look even better in comparison

also it keeps amazing me how personally you guys take Brad's playing

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Posted by Rrang

@Rabid619: Yessssssss Thanks!! I LOVE IT

Posted by PATJASA

@GnolTac said:

@YukoAsho said:

@PATJASA said:

This QL seems fine.. not sure why everyone is skeptical of the staff being critical on this game in particular or other games, isn't it what GB is all about? being true and critical on games, really telling and giving audience the real deal and never sugarcoat things. I like their criticism and has always given me great insight of games. If you don't like the QL just don't watch it, no one is forcing you to watch it or stop you from buying the game.

There's being critical and then there's being cynical. Patrick especially was one step away from being a Yahtzee clone here. I'm fine with people not liking what they see - I wasn't impressed either - but at least give the game a chance before you shit on it.

At least Yahtzee usually has some foundation or some good jokes to go with his never ending criticism, Patrick's negativity was just trite and sad to watch. It really killed this QL for me, even after it started out so awesome.

Worst part was that car chase sequence for me. Paraphrasing:

Patrick: Car driving in a FPS? Bet it's terrible!

Brad: Actually, it's pretty good

Patrick: Oh man nothing happens!

*Bunch of quite original and diverse stuff happens*

Patrick: Well this just goes on too long!

Guess modern shooter is just not the kind of game for Patrick. I am not sure I am right, but he does have a very very high "standard" for specific genre of games, and repetitive or generic elements just never seem to please him. Just watch the Hotline Miami QL and he's really enjoying that game, so I guess it's just different genre. If Jeff were doing this QL, I guess he would just be "meh" about it as well, but the criticism he puts forward is much better and funnier too, that I have to admit.

Posted by Veektarius

@MiniPato said:

@EricSmith said:

@MiniPato said:

Does Patrick have a grudge against the developers of this game? Seems like he was constantly looking for something to hate.

Or it is because EA and Danger Close have done everything in their power to make a scarily generic videogame.

<words> , he just seemed like he came into this ready to shit on it after admitting he doesn't really know anything about it and hasn't played it.

Ryan and Brad seemed like the only ones giving it a fair shot.

Is it any surprise that Patrick has a hate on for military shooters? Every QL he leads on this site is some indy platformer with art made out of pipe cleaners, aside from the horror stuff, to speak nothing for his articles on small developers. Big budget modern military FPSes are going to be an anathema to a person like that. He was pretty negative about Halo during his stint on the 24 hr stream also.

Posted by ZombieSpace

Patrick is a fucking prick during this quick look, jesus.

Edited by LikeaSsur

I'm missing an important part of this, so I'm gonna ask a dumb question.

Why is it necessary to have a separate disc for multiplayer? I know the 360 discs don't hold as much data, but an hour in, and Brad's already 1/3 through the campaign, so it can't be taking up that much space on the disc.

Edit: I heard a quip about having a different engine than single player. Is that the reason?

Posted by voloversio

Looks. So. Boring.

Posted by EricSmith

@Veektarius said:

@MiniPato said:

@EricSmith said:

@MiniPato said:

Does Patrick have a grudge against the developers of this game? Seems like he was constantly looking for something to hate.

Or it is because EA and Danger Close have done everything in their power to make a scarily generic videogame.

<words> , he just seemed like he came into this ready to shit on it after admitting he doesn't really know anything about it and hasn't played it.

Ryan and Brad seemed like the only ones giving it a fair shot.

Is it any surprise that Patrick has a hate on for military shooters? Every QL he leads on this site is some indy platformer with art made out of pipe cleaners, aside from the horror stuff, to speak nothing for his articles on small developers. Big budget modern military FPSes are going to be an anathema to a person like that. He was pretty negative about Halo during his stint on the 24 hr stream also.

I think he is at least fond of the Call of Duty games single player. I see the appeal of the CoD games in all aspects. I also love the hell out of BF3 multiplayer (PC only). This seems to try to emulate a CoD campaign, just like BF3 and MoH, yet is somehow more generic and boring than the both of them. The Medal of Honor games haven't been good for a decade now, but I honestly had a bit higher hopes for this game. The first two minutes of the driving sequence were amazing, especially if you put it up against most driving sequences in games. However, it went on for a further eight minutes with little excitement.

Patrick may have a bias against big budget games, and his commentary from the passenger seat may be skewed. That said, I feel he would do his due diligence if he had to review one.

Posted by zymbo

My God the modern shooter is a pile of shit. Run down corridor with invisible walls, shoot bad guys, open scripted door, watch scripted scene in the distance, repeat ad nauseam.

Fuck FPS.

Posted by Veektarius

@EricSmith said:

I think he is at least fond of the Call of Duty games single player. I see the appeal of the CoD games in all aspects. I also love the hell out of BF3 multiplayer (PC only). This seems to try to emulate a CoD campaign, just like BF3 and MoH, yet is somehow more generic and boring than the both of them. The Medal of Honor games haven't been good for a decade now, but I honestly had a bit higher hopes for this game. The first two minutes of the driving sequence were amazing, especially if you put it up against most driving sequences in games. However, it went on for a further eight minutes with little excitement.

Patrick may have a bias against big budget games, and his commentary from the passenger seat may be skewed. That said, I feel he would do his due diligence if he had to review one.

I'm not challenging his journalistic integrity, don't get me wrong. I just don't share the others' surprise at his outward negativity toward the genre.

Posted by WurmHat

I mean, I know it's bad... But Patrick is just making it worse. At least Ryan and Brad use humor to make it watchable. Patrick just bitches the whole time.

Posted by Darth_Mercer

Why doesn't Vinny tell these non-New Yorker fools how to properly hold a slice of pizza?

Posted by mrangryface

Borderlands is the only kinda FPS with guns I wanna play these days.

Posted by clush

@Gamer_152 said:

@Clonedzero said:

wow, the negative douchey attitude from both the community and the staff was really gross in this. especially patrick who was basically just there to constantly bitch and nitpick.

wtf man. i get the game is pretty bland and generic, but do you need an hour and 40 minutes to have a bitchfest about it?

"omg, its somewhat like call of duty lets all jump on the hate bandwagon!!!!"

I agree the attitude is negative, but in what way were people being "douchey"? I don't think this quick look was made with the intention of having a "bitchfest", the site looks at a lot of games, and when it comes to a big release like this one they often want to give it a lot of time. I don't think the staff went into this with some kind of unshakable bias against the game, I think like with any other time they went in looking to give an honest opinion on the game, and the opinion from both the community and the staff has been a negative but largely reasonable one. Just because the prevailing opinion is negative, doesn't mean people are jumping on a bandwagon.

Duder, they were criticizing the game for using too many spaces in some text at one point. Also reading out the patch notes and giving the game shit for faults that aren't even in the game anymore is a dick move.

I don't mind joking about minor stuff to keep QL's entertaining, but right here it seemed like they were simply trying to keep the negativity train going.

To top it off, the driving sequence looked genuinely thrilling and Pat's STILL trying to do everything in his power to just completely dismiss that part. Brad's actually trying to say the driving was pretty cool but simply gets snowed under in what was nothing at all if not a bitchfest.

Talk about biases: maybe look at your own bias towards the GB crew if you honestly feel like they went into this with an open mind or think all the criticisms here are reasonable.

Posted by Viking_Funeral

I never realized that Medal of Honor had so many passionate defenders. These are the longest, angriest comments I've seen from the user base... ever.

And for a game that looks so mediocre and uninspired. Did I slip into some alternate dimension?

Posted by ucankurbaga

my god this game is piece of shit, I am glad I didnt buy it.

Posted by clush

@Viking_Funeral said:

I never realized that Medal of Honor had so many passionate defenders. These are the longest, angriest comments I've seen from the user base... ever.

And for a game that looks so mediocre and uninspired. Did I slip into some alternate dimension?

You misunderstand me if you think my comments originate from some kind of partiality towards the game. I haven't been interested in playing a straight up shooter since CoD2, singleplayer anyway. These scripted rides do not appeal to me at all and I really could care less about warfighter. That's not the point.

The point is that Patrick's just being really obnoxious throughout this quicklook, plain and simple. You could call that anger, although that would imply a higher level of emotional involvement than I'd feel comfortable admitting to.

Posted by Griffinmills

I contend that Brother's Pizza at the end of Taraval St. near the ocean is good pizza in San Francisco.  Caveat that I'm born and raised in San Francisco and, hence, don't have the, "Only good pizza is NY pizza" thing.

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Posted by zedman

Fuck me hostile comment section...... This game looks like another rehash console shooter yawn.... Although the chase scene looked ok but it just made me want to play a chase hq remake

Posted by V878

@Tolshakk: Thanks. Always was curious to find out the name of this song since first hearing it (believe it was one of the E3 recap videos).

Posted by Rodent

Meh the game doesn't look too bad...that said I don't think I'm gonna run out and buy it anytime soon. More than likely if I do decide on picking it up it'll be later on down the road once it drops in price by,say, $40 or so. As for people complaining about Patrick being a prick during this QL, I wouldn't go so far as saying he's being a prick, I'd say he's just being very vocal about his dislike for these kinds of games. That said perhaps he needs to reel in his distaste during QL's where they cover games he's not in to in the first place.

Edited by Pinmonkey

I get that this is a super generic seeming game that not everyone's into unless you're super boring like me, but christ. Patrick keeps harping on the nonexistent story that makes no sense even though it's totally there and they're just talking over it and not paying attention. Patrick Isn't, but it reminds me of people hating on games like this to a crazy extent these days. I don't dislike games that are "innovative", I actually quite enjoy them, but sometimes I want to play my bombastic, scripted shooting gallery FPS. I find it enjoyable.

Posted by bybeach

I was a bit ill today and for some reason was watching this QL, when the scene of that one injured Seal was being visited by wife( was that the EX, or maybe that was another seal)?) and daughter occurred, and Ryan started going..."Whats wrong with your daughter...WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOUR DAUGHTER????' And I just about threw up up laughing. Talk about the Uncanny Valley paying a visit on Halloween along with some stomach flu! Damn Ryan was spot on, that was precisely my thinking the moment they panned the camera on her.

Pizza actually looked pretty good...

Edited by DorkyMohr

I'm sure these bugs have been pointed out but they were so subtle to me that I had to rewind to confirm that something weird was going on.

- Tower falling and somehow being clipped by half of the scope's crosshairs after the sniper section.

- Start of the driving sequence when crashing through the first gate the sign's texture changes from "STOP Authorized vehicles only" to just "Authorized vehicles only" I'm guessing when they swap it out for a physics object

I think it's just becoming a trend that triple A games are being stretched too thin in terms of being able to deliver.

Posted by Dooleh

I love how Ryan reacted to the goblin kid.

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Posted by mrGREEK360

Great quick look but Brad sucks at FPS lol, its not hard to get headshots during breach and never hits them.

Posted by timesolo

Quicklooks have never been the same without Ryan. Although I think they can do something about improving the atmosphere while shooting content with some lights and chiptunes. Bring back the background music!