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@whatisdelicious said:

" @Zeik said:

" @whatisdelicious: I think you mean The Answer. FES is the package as a whole. "
Yeah, but I'm assuming you can buy Persona 3 regular for cheaper, so I'd recommend skipping over the whole FES package. "
FES has changes and improvements to the main game, though.
Posted by XNaphryz
@whatisdelicious said:

" @Zeik said:

" @whatisdelicious: I think you mean The Answer. FES is the package as a whole. "
Yeah, but I'm assuming you can buy Persona 3 regular for cheaper, so I'd recommend skipping over the whole FES package. "
 
From what I understand FES is actually cheaper because the original P3 is more rare and hard to find. A quick look at Amazon has FES at $40 and P3 at $70.
Posted by Zeik
  @Rukishou:  I don't know if I would argue one is better than the other really. Each something they bring to the game that the other doesn't. FES keeps all the animations and stuff in-tact, but P3P adds the new female scenario, full party control, spell cards, a new difficulty, a new dungeon, etc etc. 
 
@whatisdelicious:  FES wasn't just P3 with The Answer added on. They made a whole bunch of additions to the main game too. And actually the original P3 is more expensive, since FES was not only cheaper when it came out, but they printed more copies of it than vanilla P3. There's honestly no reason to buy the original P3 with FES and P3P available.
Posted by AxleBro

 awwwwwwww, i'm disappointed 

Posted by animateria
@WrenchNinja said:
"  Junpei is a douchebag who constantly undermines your authoritah. Yosuke on the other hand is friend who follows you no matter.   Brosuke 4 Lyfe.  Also, everything about Persona 4 is just better.  "
Yosuke is more of the douchebag who constantly undermines your authority, he also likes to whine a lot. Junpei is more like a male version of Chie. He acts a bit dumb most of the times but you know you can trust him.
 
And well, Junpei actually gets a girlfriend. He deserves her too, he goes through a lot just to be with her. It's hard not to root for a guy as loyal and dedicated as him.  
 
Mechanically P4 is better. But the story of P3 is more dark and sinister, and affects the whole world rather than just a local city (Not to mention the fact that P4's core story is exactly the same as P3, just not as epic).  
 
 
Anyways, P3P is probably the least attractive version of P3... P3 FES is definitely the way to go.
Posted by paulosaurus

I sometimes wish I could erase all of my memory of certain things just so I could watch it all again fresh. The P4 ER is one of those things.

Posted by mosdl

PSP hasn't been touched in years...must resist urge to buy....

Posted by thealexray

I for one find it adorable how committed jeff is to the persona 4 cast.

Edited by Mattalorian

Where's Chie? And Funky Student?
I don't like this!

Posted by RVonE
@animateria said:
" @WrenchNinja said:
"  Junpei is a douchebag who constantly undermines your authoritah. Yosuke on the other hand is friend who follows you no matter.   Brosuke 4 Lyfe.  Also, everything about Persona 4 is just better.  "
Yosuke is more of the douchebag who constantly undermines your authority, he also likes to whine a lot. Junpei is more like a male version of Chie. He acts a bit dumb most of the times but you know you can trust him. And well, Junpei actually gets a girlfriend. He deserves her too, he goes through a lot just to be with her. It's hard not to root for a guy as loyal and dedicated as him.    Mechanically P4 is better. But the story of P3 is more dark and sinister, and affects the whole world rather than just a local city (Not to mention the fact that P4's core story is exactly the same as P3, just not as epic).     Anyways, P3P is probably the least attractive version of P3... P3 FES is definitely the way to go. "

I agree with everyhting this man wrote.
Posted by Quacktastic

I played a decent amount of 3 and 4.  I liked 4 better because you never get tired in a dungeon.  So even though the game was timed, I didn't feel rushed.
 
For that alone, I'm in the '4 is better' group.

Posted by Zeik
@Quacktastic:  Just so you know, you know longer get tired in dungeons in P3P. You only get tired once you exit the dungeon now. (Which personally I found a little disappointing, but oh well.)
Edited by DarkbeatDK

I'm super bummed about the missing video cutscenes as well. The intro is super stylish and tells thing a lot better than written words. I love how the music and sound design makes it a lot more intense.
 
   

  

Posted by GetBentTheVideoGame

Wow, they've really created an inferior product to FES.
 
Also, Junpei>>>>>>>>>>>Yosuke. Kill em all and let Junpei sort em out.

Posted by mech4399

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by NZV

This game looks like a bit of a bummer. Not being able to run around during noncombat sections really kinda sucks. Not to mention the distinct lack of BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY B-B-BABY BABY BABY BABY

Posted by EchosMyron
P4's story isn't P3's but less epic. You could make a case for it, but it would have to be super reductionist. The stories and characters are clearly different if you play more than an hour or so of each game. 
 
Also, I felt way less rushed in P3 because there was more certainty as to when I would have to be prepared to fight the next boss. P4's really ambiguous "the fog fallows several days of rain" thing left me wondering in a lot of spots.
Posted by mutha3
@animateria said:
" Mechanically P4 is better. But the story of P3 is more dark and sinister, and affects the whole world rather than just a local city (Not to mention the fact that P4's core story is exactly the same as P3, just not as epic).  
Uhhh.....what?
 
No they're not. Similarities between the two's core plot are extremely slim.
 
Posted by Zeik
@NZV:  Actually I consider that a positive myself. It's much quicker and easier to get around now without having to physically walk everywhere. (Not to mention they brought over the quick travel from P4 too.) I do miss some of animations from cutscenes, but I don't miss running around at all.
 
Also Mass Destruction is still the battle theme for the male path.
Posted by Nekroskop

NEXT ENDURANCERUN! GO!

Posted by EchosMyron
@Zeik: I don't know, I feel like it just takes something away from the atmosphere. It's a superficial qualm but I like walking around. The square button would've been there for people who want to bypass it. 
 
Also, the polygonal event scenes and 2D cut scenes being gone are a bummer. But I find myself surprised by how well things work despite them being gone
 
What I truly missed was that surprised Junpei's face shot from the beginning of the game. When Yukari says something about "last night". Little things like that missing have sort of been taking away from the charm.
Posted by Hourai

Damn... I was hoping for another Endurance Run. 

Posted by animateria
@mutha3 said:
" @animateria said:
" Mechanically P4 is better. But the story of P3 is more dark and sinister, and affects the whole world rather than just a local city (Not to mention the fact that P4's core story is exactly the same as P3, just not as epic).  
Uhhh.....what?
 
No they're not. Similarities between the two's core plot are extremely slim.
 
"
The whole, he looks innocent but he actually isn't, thing is pretty much the core of the plot...
 
Overall they have the same arch. Similar joke/fan-service plots (except P3 is a bit 'steamier' if you get my drift), real ending boss behind the main villian, (in P3 the world will literally end if you fail or decide not to fight, in P4 you can opt out of it for no real penalty).
 
While the outer shell looks different (School kids working for an organization versus school kids making a detective team.) the story arc and how it develops is pretty much the same. 
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@animateria said:

" @mutha3 said:

" @animateria said:
" Mechanically P4 is better. But the story of P3 is more dark and sinister, and affects the whole world rather than just a local city (Not to mention the fact that P4's core story is exactly the same as P3, just not as epic).  
Uhhh.....what?
 
No they're not. Similarities between the two's core plot are extremely slim.
 
"
The whole, he looks innocent but he actually isn't, thing is pretty much the core of the plot... Overall they have the same arch. Similar joke/fan-service plots (except P3 is a bit 'steamier' if you get my drift), real ending boss behind the main villian, (in P3 the world will literally end if you fail or decide not to fight, in P4 you can opt out of it for no real penalty).  While the outer shell looks different (School kids working for an organization versus school kids making a detective team.) the story arc and how it develops is pretty much the same.  "
Uh, honest question:
 
DId you even watch/play Persona 4?
 
What you just said(IE saving the world, multiple end villians(not true for P3 by the way)) can be applied to literally 99% of the videogame plots and 85% of fiction in general.
 
The remaining 15% is romantic comedies.
 
@animateria said:

"

The whole, he looks innocent but he actually isn't, thing is pretty much the core of the plot...  "

Edited by EchosMyron
@animateria: I don't really get how that's the core of the plot at all. Just the fact that both games have a deceiving character? Saying that the progression of the game is similar and that the actual events are similar are two very different things. The pacing is similar because of how the game is structured. However, what actually happens is super different. 
 
It's not like the extent of the murder mystery plot was that the kids called themselves an investigation team. It was an actual murder mystery, whereas p3 was not. You could argue that it turned into a "lets save the world" deal at the very end but that's ignoring almost all of what made that game, that game. 
Posted by mutha3
@EchosMyron said:
" @animateria: I don't really get how that's the core of the plot at all. Just the fact that both games have deceiving character? Saying that the progression of the game is similar and that the actual events are similar are two very different things. The pacing is similar because of how the game is structured. However, what actually happens is super different.  It's not like the extent of the murder mystery plot was that the kids called themselves an investigation team. It was an actual murder mystery, whereas p3 was not. You could argue that it turned into a "lets save the world" deal at the very end but that's ignoring almost all of what made that game, that game.  "

Posted by ominousbedroom
@animateria:  Maybe you feel that similar concepts were used to create the respective stories in P3 and P4? That I would agree with, what with the deceiving character and other plot devices. But the respective content on the other hand is quite different.
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@mutha3:  Edit: Spoiler tag weirdness, screw the specifics I guess. You're right, that plot element was pretty weak. It had a pretty awesome melodramatic cut-scene associated with it, though.
Posted by MjHealy

When the battle started, I though the P4 music would play.
 
Ahh.... memories. I hope there will be a third ER, even if Ryan is against it.

Edited by MiniPato

Mysterious boy sounds like Teddie and Junpei's voice got way more annoying. God that guy's a prick.
 
Definitely more of a P4 fan than P3. It just has better gameplay, music, characters, and overall style. In P3 the characters seem way too serious for their own good and brood way too much. Too anime like for my tastes. In P4 the characters act their age and act like high schoolers. Also I just noticed when replaying P3 FES that P3 has no emotional music for those sad or touching moments. They just play suspense music. Although the new high school music in P3P sounds awesome. Might play as the girl for the pink color scheme since the blue one is kind of depressing.

Posted by mutha3
@MiniPato said:

" Mysterious boy sounds like Teddie and Junpei's voice got way more annoying. God that guy's a prick.  Definitely more of a P4 fan than P3. It just has better gameplay, music, characters, and overall style. In P3 the characters seem way too serious for their own good and brood way too much. Too anime like for my tastes. In P4 the characters act their age and act like high schoolers. Also I just noticed when replaying P3 FES that P3 has no emotional music for those sad or touching moments. They just play suspense music. Although the new high school music in P3P sounds awesome. Might play as the girl for the pink color scheme since the blue one is kind of depressing. "

P3 has a pretty good ''sad'' track for its melodrama:
 
 
  
I like a lot, actually!
Posted by Hourai

Bleh, I'm not really feeling this. The lack of movement, animated cutscenes, and everything being portraits and backgrounds is a little disappointing. This seems more like a visual novel than a video game.  Might be cool to play as a girl, but I'll stick with FES. 

Posted by Jaz

I'll give it a run.

Posted by Zeik
@MiniPato:  Well you have to keep in mind that the characters aren't just average high school students. Given what happens in the game it's quite understandable that they're more serious than your average student. (And you could even argue that P4's cast isn't serious enough, given that they're trying to stop a murderer.) Besides, despite the more serious atmosphere it's still a pretty light-hearted game overall. It's got nothing on P2's utterly depressing story.
Posted by animateria
@mutha3:  I played through P3 FES and watched the entirety of P4 ER.
 
It's was pretty obvious after awhile that the useless detective guy was the main villian because he directly mirrors the useless Organization guy. 
 
Hell, both games had villain/villains that threw you off from that truth (I'm talking about Jesus dude with his posse and that fish eyed guy of course).
 
In both games, near the end all the people in the city feel the effects of the fog or Tartarus.  
 
Granted some events are similar because they both happen at a high school, and everyone gets their school trip and what not (And the reason why I'd love P5 to be in a college campus if it needs to be in a school) but I couldn't help but feel that they play out the same way. 
 
But yeah, P3 characters had seriously broken pasts that traumatize them, while P4 characters felt more or less like they had regular high school problems up their sleeve. So getting that 10 S-Rank on P3 really feels like you genuinely helped the characters out, rather than feeling a bit uneventful. 
Posted by EchosMyron
@MiniPato: Do you mean the social links in particular? I think both games did the whole good times and smiles thing then half way through the link making it all drama-tastic. P4 defiantly has the better (sadder) neglected girl from a broken home social link. 
Posted by JackSukeru

I'm torn about this. I bought Persona 3 but hadn't started playing it when I began watching the Endurance Run, I ended up buying and playing P4 and never played P3 at all. 
 
When this was announced I thought "I'll just play the portable version with direct party control and other stuff making it easier" but seeing that this has parts that are inferior to the original P3 I'm not sure what to do anymore. 
 
I could A: Get Persona Portable and get the new stuff added in there, like some brief P4 cameos, with a game that's easier. But lose out on things like character animations and FMVs. 
B: Just play through the P3 that I have on easy. 
C: Go all out and try to find a EU copy of P3 FES, this might be very troublesome.

Posted by animateria
@ominousbedroom said:
" @animateria:  Maybe you feel that similar concepts were used to create the respective stories in P3 and P4? That I would agree with, what with the deceiving character and other plot devices. But the respective content on the other hand is quite different. "
Yeah, I guess you said it better than I did. That's what I meant. The similar concepts and how similarly they play out made P4's story a bit predictable after playing P3. Individually they are fine but when compared together it's a bit disappointing.
 
And I'm just saying that I thought a lot of the 'respective content' in P3 was more epic compared to P4.
Posted by mutha3
@animateria said:

" @mutha3:  I played through P3 FES and watched the entirety of P4 ER.   It's was pretty obvious after awhile that the useless detective guy was the main villian because he directly mirrors the useless Organization guy.    Hell, both games had villain/villains that threw you off from that truth (I'm talking about Jesus dude with his posse and that fish eyed guy of course).  In both games, near the end all the people in the city feel the effects of the fog or Tartarus.   

 
 Of the things you just mentioned, only the bolded is something I can concede that plays out similarly. The other points though?
 

) but I couldn't help but feel that they play out the same way.  
 


 Not to be a dick, but everything you've mentioned so far is extremely vaguely similar


  But yeah, P3 characters had seriously broken pasts that traumatize them, while P4 characters felt more or less like they had regular high school problems up their sleeve. So getting that 10 S-Rank on P3 really feels like you genuinely helped the characters out, rather than feeling a bit uneventful.  "

 
And by ''seriously broken pasts'' you mean ''spehsul trageec orphuns''
 
Yes, the Slink's in Persona 4 were less dark.....but they were also far more relatable and much less painfully melodramatic(with exception of Sun and Devil in P4, those sucked).
 
Not to mention that you couldn't even S-link with your male party members. Who were far more interesting as characters then the girls.
Posted by HandsomeDead

BABY BABY BABY BABY

Posted by DiscoDuck8k

Loved watching this. It's been a while since seeing a Persona image on the front page.
 
I think being able to pick the female character is a cool addition, but otherwise FES still looks like the best choice if you're going to play P3. I also miss all the animated scenes here. Taking those out removes a lot of the charm in my opinion.

Edited by Ham08
@RockmanBionics:

Check out a "Let's Play" or some sort of play-through or walk-through of Persona 3 Portable on Youtube.  That should persuade you one way or another with regard to purchasing the PSP version.  I do it for all games that I am not sure about.


Also, I don't know why people are complaining about not being able to walk around the town.  I for one, am glad that I don't have to walk around the plain and unexciting environments any more.  That's just wasting time if you ask me.  Boring.  Besides, the dungeon is where the action is and you can walk around there just like before.   However, I do miss some of the animations outside the dungeon but there's plenty to offset that sacrifice if you give it a chance.  P3P is a great game despite being on the tiny PSP screen.

Posted by AURON570

awesome

Edited by EchosMyron
@animateria: I thought the twists were still surprising in p4 after playing p3. p4 is more of a character driven "who done it?". Whereas the mystery in P3 is the nature of the super natural stuff and it isn't the focus. The progression isn't fueled by the attempt to find truth but rather to save the world.
 
Posted by gakon
@DiscoDuck8k said:
" Loved watching this. It's been a while since seeing a Persona image on the front page.  I think being able to pick the female character is a cool addition, but otherwise FES still looks like the best choice if you're going to play P3. I also miss all the animated scenes here. Taking those out removes a lot of the charm in my opinion. "
I do wonder how they handle scenes like the one with Aigis on the bridge, unless they do it with 3D models, in the same way the scene where you first summon your Persona is an in-engine event instead of a cutscene.  Whatever it is it won't be as good as the original.
Posted by Iceland

FLASHBACKS! 
FLASHBACKS EVERYWHERE!

Edited by ch3burashka

After playing through both campaigns of P3:FES and watching the ER, I'm completely burned out on the gameplay of Persona, especially if the narrative is largely unchanged. I simply cannot invest another hundred hours into a game I know through-and-through. Only P5 will get me interested again. 
 
And what the fuck, Atlus? 3 Persona 3 games? Move on please! 
 
At least the soundtrack is good; I'll probably buy it, but not the game. 
 
Jeff was freaking out about the suicide headshots, but frankly, after hours upon hours of the same animation it loses its meaning. I was really bummed when it did... 
 
Also, I hate that the MC voice actor/actress actually "speak", or more technically, yell a single word. It sounds somewhat bad-ass in battle, but then their muteness is much more accentuated during the story. 
 
I was really disappointed by the finale of the Ms. Toriumi S.Link - it could have been so freakin' awesome...

Posted by whatisdelicious
@RockmanBionics said:
" I'm torn about this. I bought Persona 3 but hadn't started playing it when I began watching the Endurance Run, I ended up buying and playing P4 and never played P3 at all.  When this was announced I thought "I'll just play the portable version with direct party control and other stuff making it easier" but seeing that this has parts that are inferior to the original P3 I'm not sure what to do anymore.  I could A: Get Persona Portable and get the new stuff added in there, like some brief P4 cameos, with a game that's easier. But lose out on things like character animations and FMVs. B: Just play through the P3 that I have on easy. C: Go all out and try to find a EU copy of P3 FES, this might be very troublesome. "
Play Persona 3 on your PS2 on easy. And if you're a big fan of cutscenes and story and stuff, you're probably not going to like the extra content in FES. I loved the main P3 campaign, but the FES new stuff is super boring.
Posted by paulunga

Also, seriously Jeff, this is exactly the same way I felt about Persona 4 after playing P3FES. But I eventually warmed up to the characters (as in, 2 hours in) and I ended up loving 4 almost as much as 3. They're easily my favourite and second favourite JRPG and I can't wait for Persona 5 even though I know Nanako or Junpei's not in it. 
 
Well, maybe we get another cameo like that school trip in P4 that flew right over your heads during the ER.

Posted by whatisdelicious
@Zeik said:
@whatisdelicious:  FES wasn't just P3 with The Answer added on. They made a whole bunch of additions to the main game too. And actually the original P3 is more expensive, since FES was not only cheaper when it came out, but they printed more copies of it than vanilla P3. There's honestly no reason to buy the original P3 with FES and P3P available. "
Ah, well then, by all means, I recommend P3:FES to everyone then. I just don't recommend anyone play The Answer unless they're really into battling and didn't like all the social link and school stuff. 
 
I think what pisses me off the most about The Answer is how all the characters just act super annoyed by the whole thing. I'm about 8 hours in and I cannot stand Yukari anymore. She was awesome in The Journey and the character my dude dated the most, but if I have to hear her say, "Can we just get this over with?" one more time.... And she's so ungrateful when you give her new weapons and stuff. I'm on the verge of quitting. Seriously, if Junpei wasn't still awesome, I'd probably already have quit.