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Posted by JeanLuc

Regardless of whether you like P3 more or P4 more, I think everyone here can agree that both games kickass and the Persona series as a whole is amazing. 
 
HERES TO PERSONA!

Posted by Pkshields

Dude, I  have this game sitting here, but it scares me. After watching the ER and seeing the comments, I'm sure I'm going to get everything wrong.

Posted by TheKbob

This can get fielded here maybe, but should I play P3:FES (or P3P) and then P4 or just play P4 and call it a day (year)?

Posted by stinky
@TheKbob: i'd skip any psp version if you have the ability to play on a ps2. 
play both p3 and p4 if you find you like the series. i enjoyed both, and wouldn't really put one above the other. 
both have their strong and weak points.
Posted by EchosMyron
@TheKbob: P3 FES then P4. Afterward if you have the strength of resolve, the female campaign on P3P
Posted by bigall94

NOSTALIGAAAAAAAAAA. Did anybody else just magically fall into their old ER viewing habits? eg. reading stuff, playing something that requires little concentration. It's crazy!

Edited by Zeik
@whatisdelicious:  I know a lot of people shared your feelings about The Answer, but I enjoyed a number of things about it. For one I liked challenge it offered, and the battles had a nice balance to them that required more strategy than much of the regular game. No S. Links to break up the dungeon crawling did grow tiresome at times, but if you pace yourself it wasn't so bad.
 
I have some mixed feelings about the plot end of it. It does add some interesting additions to the story, and I actually quite liked the ending, but it also kind of felt like an unnecessary addition. The characters at times seemed a bit off, but it also offered some unique character development. Yukari was kind of bitchy in The Answer, and there were times it got on my nerves, but on the other hand if you know why she's acting that way it's understandable. Many games address the issues of death, but most of them seem to just think that everyone automatically gains some personal growth and enlightenment from it. But in reality there are also people who act out and don't know what to do with their emotions. She eventually gets over it and does come to terms with what happens, but part of me appreciates that they were willing to take some time for that to happen. The other part did find her annoying though.
Posted by benspyda

Persona 3 was a great game.

Posted by JackSukeru
@whatisdelicious:  I've sorta been spoiled too what happends at the end of P3 but don't know much else about what goes on in the game. You're saying it's mostly going back and doing a little more dungeoning only too get the true final battle and ending or whatever? if so then maybe I could just play P3 on easy and then youtube The Answer. Does that seem viable?
Posted by Chris2KLee

As someone who played both games, I think I enjoyed the Persona 4 more, although if I hadn't beat this game already, I would definitely have given it a go again. Also, I think I liked the P4 cast better.

Posted by ajamafalous

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan. This brings back so many memories. And all the P4ER jokes...
 
 
I would pay money for a Persona 3 Endurance Run.
 
 
 
 
I think I might go rewatch the P4ER.

Posted by Ben_H

*Places P3 disk into PS2, fires it up* 
 
Aww yeah...

Posted by gakon
@Zeik:  I thought The Journey was plenty challenging, and the way every boss in The Answer could dodge its own weakness felt like a cheap way to ratchet up the difficulty.
Posted by VisariLoyalist

new endurance run???????

Posted by animateria
@EchosMyron said:
" @animateria: I thought the twists were still surprising in p4 after playing p3. p4 is more of a character driven "who done it?". Whereas the mystery in P3 is the nature of the super natural stuff and it isn't the focus. The progression isn't fueled by the attempt to find truth but rather to save the world.
 
"
The who done it seemed a bit easy when you know who probably did it.
 
 
I guess I liked exploring Tartarus bit as well as trying to avoid certain doom compared to the "it's just gonna be that guy isn't it?". But of course that only happens to someone who played P3 first, or vice versa. P3 spoiled a lot of the surprise in P4 since I had that "oh man, are they gonna use that plot twist again?" feeling throughout the ER.
   
Man, I kinda want to play them both now.... Maybe I should dig up my copy of P3FES and buy P4...
Posted by LiquidS

More Anglin' the better. 
P4 is the only game I have never played but love thanks to the ER so nice to see QL's of other Personas.

Posted by Kowalczyk

This brings back so many good memories, VJ persona ROCK!

Posted by FLStyle

I agree with Jeff to an extent, part of me wants Persona 4 -2, the other part wants a proper sequel with lots of gameplay improvements

Posted by VisariLoyalist

this is making me want to watch the endurance run again

Posted by golguin

I'm around 35 hours in and I just finished the trip to the beach. The game is great and all the animation scenes that were taken out (anime and in engine) can easily be seen on youtube so it isn't a problem.

Edited by Blackout62

Yeah more Persona, I was just forgetting Japanese honorifics.
 
Post view: Ah, nostalgia is a harsh mistress.

Posted by Ulong
@TheKbob: P3P is the best persona, better than persona 4 even.  I'd get it.
 
It's only weakness is a lack of cutscenes (you read a discription of the action usually). The gameplay is the best in the series so far.
Edited by Zeik
@gakon5 said:

" @Zeik:  I thought The Journey was plenty challenging, and the way every boss in The Answer could dodge its own weakness felt like a cheap way to ratchet up the difficulty. "

The Journey had it's share of challenge, but especially on normal too many battles ended before they could start if you just exploited everyone's weakness and then did an all-out attack. The Answer encouraged you to use different tactics than just spamming all out attacks, more often than The Journey anyway. (Status effects had their uses in The Journey, but they were so much more useful in The Answer.)
 
Besides, it was very rare for bosses in The Journey to actually have a weakness, so that didn't change much.
Posted by EchosMyron
@animateria: I maintain that it's not the same twist because I don't see how those two characters are analogous. Their motivations and what they actually do and how they do it are entirely different. Also, P3's deception didn't stick in my mind because it wasn't the game changer that P4's was. 
 
I mean if you think P3 spoiled P4 for you, then that was your experience and thats kind of a bummer. But I don't think most people were extrapolating the same conclusions you were. Or at least me and all my friends were surprised.
Posted by Max_Hydrogen

Man, that girl shooting herself in the head is really disturbing.

Posted by InTheEnd

"I'm a Persona 4 fan, not a Persona fan."  
 
Aww, come on Jeff, lighten up! 

Posted by RaccoonusDoodus

Damn, compared to P3F, P3P just looks...bad.

Posted by CharlesSurge

I like Persona 3 better than 4. Jeff being so dismissive didn't strike me as cool or funny.

Posted by Taler

Anyway who's claiming that P4 is better than P3 is a fucking idiot. P3's story is 99999% superior.

Edited by mutha3
@Taler said:

" Anyway who's claiming that P4 is better than P3 is a fucking idiot. P3's story is 99999% superior. "

 MY FAVORITE  ANIME VIDEOGAME IS MORE GOOD THEN YOURS AND UR DUMB FOR NOT LIKING IT
 
Classy.   
 
 
Also, I guess reality..........is a fucking idiot as well.
 
 
Posted by natetodamax

MAN! I really want Persona 3 for the PS2 but I'm totally bummed that I won't be able to play as the girl. She's adorable! I guess I'll have to settle for the creepy emo kid....

Posted by Supermarius
@Taler said:
" Anyway who's claiming that P4 is better than P3 is a fucking idiot. P3's story is 99999% superior. "
Persona 3's story would be superior if it was original, but its not. It is the story of Neon Genesis Evangelion.
 
The following is material to explain that connection, but keep in mind that it contains both spoilers for persona 3 and evangelion
 
Posted by Progman9000

Thanks guys, now I'm reminded that I need to go back and finish P3.  Bye bye free time.

Posted by Gabriel

Bitches

Posted by gakon
@Supermarius: Hahahaha, I haven't watched Evangelion in years, but I never realized it had that many connections.  All I remember about that show was the last two episodes which were just Shinji talking to white text on a black screen.  And then they all clap for him or something?
 
Even though P4 is explicitly the Murder Mystery, most works of fiction have a mystery of some sort which needs to be solved and P3 is no exception.  Problem is the mysteries in P3 aren't great.  P4 can keep you guessing, and while P3 had some good twists, everyone's like "oh man Tartarus is so mysterioussss!  We need to unravel the mystery of Tartarus!"  But what Tartarus is isn't that interesting.
 
Also I think the character deaths in P3 didn't impact the story in an interesting way, even if they impacted the lives of the characters related to them.  For being the allegedly "dark and emo" story, Persona 4 had many more profound, sad moments than Persona 3.
Posted by Famov

I'm sorry, but it should be illegal to have hair as horrible as the male player character. 
 
All that can be done to salvage him at this point is to take an electric trimmer with the guard set at 2 or less.
Posted by ThatFrood

Oh God...
this makes me... this makes me really want to go rewatch the endurance run.
again.

Edited by whatisdelicious
@RockmanBionics said:

" @whatisdelicious:  I've sorta been spoiled too what happends at the end of P3 but don't know much else about what goes on in the game. You're saying it's mostly going back and doing a little more dungeoning only too get the true final battle and ending or whatever? if so then maybe I could just play P3 on easy and then youtube The Answer. Does that seem viable? "

It's not even like a true final battle. It's ANOTHER final battle. Honestly, I already got frustrated and looked up a quick plot synopsis for The Answer awhile back and it doesn't seem worth the trouble. But I think watching the cutscenes and ending on YouTube would be good, yeah, though after building up your relationships with all the characters in The Journey, even watching the story from The Answer might be frustrating unless it makes a drastic change in tone from where it is in my playthrough.
 
Playing P3's The Journey on easy is a wonderful experience, by the way. Exactly what I did. 
 
For The Answer you aren't allowed to pick difficulty level. They just say, "enjoy the extra challenge!" All that means is that you have to grind now, which I never did in The Journey on easy and I loved it.
Edited by whatisdelicious
@Zeik said:

" @whatisdelicious:  I know a lot of people shared your feelings about The Answer, but I enjoyed a number of things about it. For one I liked challenge it offered, and the battles had a nice balance to them that required more strategy than much of the regular game. No S. Links to break up the dungeon crawling did grow tiresome at times, but if you pace yourself it wasn't so bad.  I have some mixed feelings about the plot end of it. It does add some interesting additions to the story, and I actually quite liked the ending, but it also kind of felt like an unnecessary addition. The characters at times seemed a bit off, but it also offered some unique character development. Yukari was kind of bitchy in The Answer, and there were times it got on my nerves, but on the other hand if you know why she's acting that way it's understandable. Many games address the issues of death, but most of them seem to just think that everyone automatically gains some personal growth and enlightenment from it. But in reality there are also people who act out and don't know what to do with their emotions. She eventually gets over it and does come to terms with what happens, but part of me appreciates that they were willing to take some time for that to happen. The other part did find her annoying though. "

The challenge for me is this: I played The Journey on easy because I hate grinding in RPGs. Even on easy it still required me to think and strategize, but it just never felt like I needed to stop and go back and grind through areas I'd been to already to power my guys up. We could just keep moving, and if I found the stairs early, I could just take them without worry. 
 
In The Answer, my routine is this: I get a few floors into a door, come back, save. Go back through those same few floors and a couple more, come back, save. Get to the save point before the boss, come back and make my way down again, save, fight the boss, die.  Retry. Retry, succeed, save. REPEAT. 
 
There's no extra strategy in it. It's just more grinding. I have to play smart, yeah, but I had to play smart before, too. I just didn't have to play again and again. The only thing that gets me through this is turning the volume down and listening to podcasts while playing.
 
As for the characters, I just mean their general attitude. I understand their feelings, but this is ultimately a script that could've been written any way. And this one happens to be written where every single character except Junpei is pissed off to be in another script. It's like getting 10 pages into Heart of Darkness and there's a character, in the story, who's falling asleep listening to the story. At that point I put the book down. When characters in a story are bored, it's a bad story. Yukari doesn't want to be there because even she can tell that The Answer feels incredibly forced and ingenuine. Persona 3 didn't need an Answer, because it really is about The Journey.
Posted by CactusWolf

Jeff's a downer.

Edited by Karmann

AWESOME!!! SO getting this!!! 
 
...and do I even need to say it?? ENDURANCE RUN, ENDURANCE RUN, ENDURANCE RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by TheKbob
@stinky: 
@EchosMyron:   
@Ulong:
  
 
Thank you all for your input. 
Edited by Zeik
@whatisdelicious:  I see your problem, you were grinding way too much. You honestly should never have to truly grind in P3, in any mode, on any difficulty. Proper use of Persona's and battle tactics is way more important than levels. Obviously you can grind your way to victory, just like almost any RPG, but if you are you aren't playing right.
 
 I don't mean that in an elitist "you suck at the game" way either, it's just the truth. One of the things that makes many games in the MegaTen franchise so great is that they are deep enough that you can generally make it through all but the toughest challenges relying largely on how effectively you utilize the things you have at your disposal. Obviously levels do play a factor, you can't just ignore every fight and expect to be prepared for bosses, but as long as long as you're fighting the majority of the enemies you see as you progress through a dungeon you'll be sufficiently leveled for whatever you have to fight at the end. 
Posted by the_purgatory_station

ah yes good one guys.  enjoyed this

Edited by Undeadpool

I love how the summon "shot" even shoots out the other side of their head...I might pick this up just to play through this game as a female. 
Makes me wanna watch the P4 endurance run all over again.

Edited by bybeach

There was something about the Personae 4 charactors I could stand,.. In fact, care about. They seemed ppl., not stand ins for such. Got a little silly worrying for the little girl, and laughing my tail-end off at some of the verbals Vinny ran off about her, and Jeff about her cop daddy. Personae 3 looks like some other JRPG... and mabe more what i would have expectred in the first place. This by at least the trailers and gameplay footage I have seen of P3. 
 
P4  I feel is pretty unique for still being a JRP, and I'm really not inclined for much more, though the japanese influence in Deus Ex 3 just might play well for meshing.

Edited by whatisdelicious
@Zeik: I just mean you have to grind because, in The Answer, one of the ways they jack the difficulty up is by making strategy almost irrelevant. Even when I devised smart strategies to take down this boss or that enemy, a wrench always came in to ruin it. For instance, sure, the enemies have weaknesses, but they're also very good at dodging them. When they dodge it, I have to be ready to get hit. If I get knocked down, I need me and my team high level enough so that they can withstand not having me hold their hands for a couple turns. 
 
The reason why I'm grinding is not because I find this difficulty too demanding. I'm good enough at Persona 3's combat strategy that I can deal with the extra difficulty. But when bullshit happens, I need a safety net because dying means all my progress since I last saved is gone, and that's still really frustrating. That safety net is grinding.
Posted by Zeik
@whatisdelicious:  Often those weaknesses were kind of to throw you off. They were an option if you were willing to risk it, but after The Journey you should have developed plenty of strategies for bosses that don't involve exploiting weaknesses. And maybe some strategies that you might not have considered. (Like status effects. There was more than one boss in The Answer that became significantly easier with the help of status effects.)
 
I will admit that one of my bigger qualms with The Answer is that there was neither a save point or two-way transport back to the entrance near the boss, so if you ran straight into it you could end up losing a lot of progress. I found the best way to deal with that though is to just progress normally until you reach the boss, then warp back, save, then make a quick beeline through the level again back to the boss, avoiding as many enemies as possible. That way if you lost the progress you lose is pretty insignificant.
Posted by onyxghost

Do the P3 endurance run!!!!! Jeff, Vinny the people demand it!

Posted by JeffGoldblum
@Jonny7892 said:
" We need another endurance run. Maybe not Persona but just another one. PLEEEEEEASE "
I think the time for Endurance Runs has passed.