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Edited by TadThuggish

The problem with these games is that they, as Ryan said, want to delve into kayfabe and "treat it like a sport", but they're never focused on that.  They spend more time making a good-looking Triple H model than they do making the gameplay work.  While I'd love to see a BioWare developed wrestling RPG that breaks the facade, you can still make a good wrestling game within the confines of the show's storytelling.  Fire Pro Wrestling has excelled at that, as I've seriously just let the AI battle and it's as good (if not better) than stuff actually on TV.  Here it's just Razor Ramon and Bret Hart exchanging really shitty, broken animations.  Because all Yuke's has to do is put out a Triple H character model and with enough marketing it sells millions.  That's no excuse for it being broken and boring to play.  We could have a great WWE-licensed product solely in kayfabe, or we could have a great WWE-licensed product that entirely breaks all kayfabe, but everyone at THQ would rather be lazy.

Posted by Mechanized

"That's not something I can see".
 
Actually, if you chop a dude in the chest a few times it will mark up and turn red.

Posted by The_Laughing_Man

O god this is horrible. 

Posted by DonChipotle

I like this game a whole lot. It's fun. The worst part is the backstage wandering in RTWM. But it's still fun to play.

Posted by spankingaddict

i played too many smackdown games in the past...

Posted by IBurningStar

Quick Look: WWE SmachDown! vs. RAW 2011 or: Alex and Ryan Awkwardly Fucking Around With Ladders for Thirty Minutes

Posted by 234r2we232

I want to see a Canadian Genius on a pole match.

Posted by DukeTogo
@blacklab said:
" Why bother doing a QL if they know they will hate the game.  They seem to assign Alex to these types of QL's. Or maybe he just hates everything. "
yes and yes.
Posted by Raymayne

Create-A-Finisher is not new Alex.

Posted by Th35nugg13s

They should release Dr. Tracksuit for download. Like now.

Posted by Terjay

I like wrestling games, but goddamn the matches take too long.

Posted by DonChipotle
@Raymayne said:
" Create-A-Finisher is not new Alex. "
The feature, no, but now you can create top turnbuckle finishers so they put the NEW tag on it.
Posted by NZV

It's been a long time since I wasn't able to continue watching a quick look. Thanks, Smackdown vs Raw 2011.

Posted by patrick5152003

ryan kayfabes liking wrestling games...

Posted by Scribbly

The graphics have honestly barely improved since the PS1 era. Especially backstage. Not that the key audience for WWE games will mind, the game will sell no matter.
Posted by DerekDanahy

Well this just reminded me how much I hate wrestling games!

Posted by ZmillA

wow I don't know who a lot of these guys are

Posted by Demoskinos

I'm sorry but.... Ryan and Alex seem to be pretty mis-informed about this game overall.    And I dis-agree with the "playing it" being bad.   I've got Fable 3 and Fallout New Vegas sitting on my desk and this is the only thing I've played since Tue. 
 
If your not a wrestling fan... then... yeah you most likely won't enjoy it but  its fun if you are into wrestling.

Posted by Demoskinos
@Styl3s: Same man!  The last one I really dove into was SvR 07'   funny thing is I haven't watched WWE on TV in a good while but  I'm still enjoying the games.  :)
Posted by CL60
@Smiley26 said:
" The graphics have honestly barely improved since the PS1 era. Especially backstage. Not that the key audience for WWE games will mind, the game will sell no matter. "
Go look at the PS1 games again then, because you are terribly wrong.
Posted by Romination
@Demoskinos said:
" I'm sorry but.... Ryan and Alex seem to be pretty mis-informed about this game overall.    And I dis-agree with the "playing it" being bad.   I've got Fable 3 and Fallout New Vegas sitting on my desk and this is the only thing I've played since Tue.  If your not a wrestling fan... then... yeah you most likely won't enjoy it but  its fun if you are into wrestling. "
They ARE wrestling fans. They've even played a lot of the installments. If they don't like it, that's not "misinformed", that's just them not liking playing a game, even if they do like the rest.
Posted by Tordah

This game looks terrible.

Posted by CL60
@Romination said:
" @Demoskinos said:
" I'm sorry but.... Ryan and Alex seem to be pretty mis-informed about this game overall.    And I dis-agree with the "playing it" being bad.   I've got Fable 3 and Fallout New Vegas sitting on my desk and this is the only thing I've played since Tue.  If your not a wrestling fan... then... yeah you most likely won't enjoy it but  its fun if you are into wrestling. "
They ARE wrestling fans. They've even played a lot of the installments. If they don't like it, that's not "misinformed", that's just them not liking playing a game, even if they do like the rest. "
No, a lot of information they said was wrong. They were kind of misinformed. 
Posted by bjorno

The death penalty is never justified.

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Posted by ProfessorEss
@Romination said:
They ARE wrestling fans. They've even played a lot of the installments. If they don't like it, that's not "misinformed", that's just them not liking playing a game, even if they do like the rest. "
Are you sure they are wrestling fans? Because I'm pretty sure they're in the same boat I am.
 
That being that they used to be wrestling fans, who wished they were still wrestling fans, but aren't wrestling fans anymore, because wrestling is so shitty now.
Posted by Alex
@ProfessorEss: 
 
This is probably more accurate. I am a fan of wrestling in concept, not so much in execution these days.
 
If you think we got specific details about the game wrong, by all means, hit me up via PM with anything you think I've missed out on. I'm still in the process of playing it for review, so by all means, hit me up. But if you're just going to bitch about me not digging the gameplay, then don't bother. Sorry guys, but this here 'rasslin', it ain't much fun.
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Posted by CL60
@alex said:
" @ProfessorEss:   This is probably more accurate. I am a fan of wrestling in concept, not so much in execution these days.  If you think we got specific details about the game wrong, by all means, hit me up via PM with anything you think I've missed out on. I'm still in the process of playing it for review, so by all means, hit me up. But if you're just going to bitch about me not digging the gameplay, then don't bother. Sorry guys, but this here 'rasslin', it ain't much fun. "
If you don't find the gameplay fun, you don't find the gameplay fun. But I for one do find the gameplay fun. I've played every Smackdown game and I can easily say this years gameplay is much improved from years before.
Posted by StrikerTheLizard

Why is the frame rate so awful during matches? I own this game and it is 60fps.

Posted by Kingpk

I'm in the same boat as Alex; all the bells and whistles are nice, but the problem comes when you actually have to PLAY the game.  Too bad they didn't try to do an online match and show how horrid the lag is.  They've been doing online for, what, the last 4 years of these games?  Having the amount of lag I came across is inexcusable.

Posted by empire_man

Alex should just join the regular GB crew.

Edited by ProfessorEss
@alex: Haha, as much as I'd love to take the opportunity I can tell you right now that I'll never play this game.
 
The game mechanics could be as solid as ever but for me, I just can't get the same level of enjoyment from these games as I used to. I see the roster and the whole thing reads as Mean Mike Bigmuscles vs. JJ Jeanshorts these days. I miss the days of Elvis impersonators and Real-American-Garbageman turned wrestler.
 
Anyone remember when a hit from a folding chair was a one-shot kill? (and you typically needed a manager for distraction to pull that shit off)
Posted by radioactivez0r
@Terranova said:
" This looks just as bad as the previous ones did,  They really need to get a new developer to give some new ideas because the series has become worse and worse as time has gone on.   I really wish they would do a current gen version of the N64 WWE games because they were good. "
+1.  I vote No Mercy 2012.
Posted by Stahlbrand

How do these games get away with being so damn bad?

Posted by snorge

This game looks horrible.

Posted by jorbear
@ProfessorEss:   Feel the hurt.  
Posted by Magicallystoopid

No offense guys but I'm just going to pretend this was some practice quick look for when Jeff finally does it.
 
Seriously how can you follow up Jeff's awesomeness with 2010 with this somewhat boring/annoying quick look?

Posted by StrikerTheLizard

Good job, Alex, on making this look as horrible as possible.  
You don't know how to have fun with it, you're just playing it like you're depressed and forced to. You're not familiar with the new additions and how to actually play it. 
I'm not saying you're dissing a masterpiece, I'm saying that you're making a pretty alright game look way shittier than it is.

Posted by Pokalapoketl

Ladders should be the new helicopters.

Posted by ThaMilkMan

DR. TRACKSUIT!!!

Posted by CL60

Comments on this video are funny to read. The fact still remains this is the best Smackdown game since Here Comes the Pain. 
 
@StrikerTheLizard said:

" Good job, Alex, on making this look as horrible as possible.  You don't know how to have fun with it, you're just playing it like you're depressed and forced to. You're not familiar with the new additions and how to actually play it. I'm not saying you're dissing a masterpiece, I'm saying that you're making a pretty alright game look way shittier than it is. "
This is true.
Posted by Vigil80

I just realized, Alex totally looks like The Miz.

Posted by Scribbly
@CL60 said:
" @Smiley26 said:
" The graphics have honestly barely improved since the PS1 era. Especially backstage. Not that the key audience for WWE games will mind, the game will sell no matter. "
Go look at the PS1 games again then, because you are terribly wrong. "
You win CL60, the graphics on the PS1 games are waaaaay shittier than this, I retract my comment. 
 
The graphics in this one are still pretty bad by today's standards though.
Posted by Beomoose

Wow, terrible even for a WWE game. Love the backstage fight where you can wail on a dude's head with a fire extinguisher and hit him with the fakey wrestling moves in the same fight, though.

Posted by handlas

ahhh so bad...love when he is throwing him into the cage and nothing was happening.  THQ....

Posted by Naughton

Learning the controls fail, Alex.

Posted by WinterSnowblind

Me and my friends have enjoyed playing these games for years now, despite not actually watching wrestling for a long time.
 
But these games are just embarrassing now.  Like they said, a lot of the surrounding features are pretty cool, the create modes are excellent and the new Universe mode does seem like a lot of fun.  But they badly need to scrap the engine and start again from scratch.  I also don't understand why they keep removing modes or changing features that people like.
 
I'd definitely be interested in a NEW game, but this is basically the same game we had 10 years ago.

Posted by paulosaurus

What a piece of shit game. Wow. 

Edited by dieselv2

That backstage thing looks a bit poo but i'll probably let my girlfriends son buy it and then lend it.  In my opinion the original Smackdown game will still be the one for me.  I don't think the games hold much value for me.  I tried online in 2009 I think and it wouldnt let me join matches, it would get to loading screen and then add to my d/c rate haha.  I know they reconfigured the online this year but I don't think its worth a buy to be honest

Posted by Vinchenzo

Wrestling. Stopped watching that shit when I was in 3rd grade.

Posted by DBoy

When they finally decide to re-do the game engine and work on the AI, I might give this series another chance. For now though, it still looks like the same broken, ugly shit it has been for the last couple of years.

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