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Posted by MjHealy

Gods Will Be Watching X Firewatch.

Coming to Steam in 2015.

Posted by r3d_zombie

had no idea what they were talking about for the first half, good show otherwise.

Edited by DevourerOfTime

Alex and Patrick are way too kind on the harassing scumbags ruining the industry in the past few weeks/months.

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Posted by patrickklepek

had no idea what they were talking about for the first half, good show otherwise.

I want to be you.

Staff
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Fuck, Alex. I am so glad you exist. GOD DAMN REAL TALK.

Posted by BeyondStrange

I am also in the dark about what is being eluded to here and though it is annoying to listen people talk about things in vague terms, I think ignorance may be bliss here. I assume the problems relate to the Gamer Gate nonsense, unless something terrible happened at PAX.

That Gamer Gate thing was so bad that I had to delete my twitter and finally swear off looking at that aspect of game news. Zoe Quinn is pretty great and it frustrates me to no end that people jumped on that nonsense. There is no evidence that games journalism is corrupt in anyway, but people want to believe it because that is human nature. People can really be poopy.

Posted by frytup

@r3d_zombie said:

had no idea what they were talking about for the first half, good show otherwise.

I want to be you.

As a "civilian", it's actually pretty easy to follow games but not necessarily the games industry.

Posted by Wolfgame

Talking about people just enough to enrage them but not enough to engage them makes this whole thing so tiring.

Posted by mason

I highly agree about Diablo 3. I went back to playing since the expansion and this time, gave Master difficulty a try. Doing so made it actually feel like a real game. Playing on Normal or Hard, I just used the game as a mindless distraction for listening to podcasts. On higher difficulties I'm feeling engaged, making interesting decisions on the fly, using my reflexes to get out of jams and getting rewarded for it.

Expert or Master isn't really that hard once you have decent equips. I might try to go even higher, but I suspect the enemies will get too damage spongey, and Master is already a nice meaty balance.

Also, taking a brand new character to level 20 in under an hour is pretty damn sweet. Especially when every level was hard won.

Posted by MooseyMcMan

I still don't think either Ghostbusters movie is great, but they're not bad.

Moderator
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Wait wait wait... that was all staged?!

/jk

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"Expert" in Diablo 3 is like Normal mode. Friend and I decided to make new Ladder characters with the new patch (PC version) and have been playing through on "Torment 1" and that has been manageable. We are already around level 50 near the end of Act 2 lol

It's interesting because a few of the Giant Bomb guys are enjoying D3 but haven't really got into the actual character building that can make it a longer term interest. The sort of stuff that made Diablo 2 so addicting. The meat and potatoes.

Once you reach the level cap then it's about taking all the available skills, figuring out a combination that is fun, is functional, makes tactical sense, and is effective in terms of damage for higher difficulty (Torment 1+). Then you go on the hunt for specific Legendary items that support that specific skill set you like. And at any point you might find a Legendary that doesn't line up with your current skill set but you end up changing all your skills to suit that one item.

That's kind of the hook of the game I guess. Don't get me wrong, it is absolutely designed to be a grind at that point, but that is the real classic Diablo experience. When you can slow down, think about what you are doing, experiment with different combinations of skills, items, and different party member class combos. When you figure out that perfect setup that suits you and you are cutting through monsters like a hot knife through butter and all your skills compliment each other.

Note: Just thought I should add that I don't consider myself addicted to it. By longer term I mean you have a character that you can come back to every couple of months or years and play the game for a week or two and have fun until it's time to play something else. I know the guys are busy and will say they don't have the time to get deep into games but you can absolutely enjoy the end game experience of D3 with not much time investment.

Posted by HammondofTexas

I still don't know what happened when they're talking about all the bad stuff going on in the game industry.

I'm just a regular guy who likes to play video games and watch dumb internet videos.

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MOTHERFUCKERS!

I completely agree, Alex. Oh man, does humanity have a rotten core.

Edited by csl316

I suppose I missed another games industry controversy, based on these comments.

Turns out if you don't engage in negative topics, you have better weeks.

Edit: After listening, it's far more personal to them than I thought. As someone that avoids conflict and negativity, I can sympathize with the dismay that getting pulled into this sort of thing can cause for Alex.

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Yeah... no idea what these new developments are, either. I certainly don't mean to cast my ignorance as a point of pride, but if your objective is to curb shitty behavior in the gaming community, it couldn't hurt to know that, I suspect, a large swath of that community is totally oblivious to what is going on. Not that dredging up shit under the auspices of informing people will help anything, but... I don't know. I'll just go back to la-la land. I like it there.

@seikenfreak: Totally. At level cap, D3 is all about, "Oh shit, I got some sweet Depth Diggers for my Monk with 2 sockets and good affixes, so now resource generators do 93% more damage. Now my weak-ass punches are my primary damage dealer, let's retool my entire build around that and and and blaaaargh."

Hearing the GB dudes approach the game from a decidedly more casual direction is not unwelcome, but it is strange because it doesn't reflect the game as I understand it, at all.

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@tr0n said:

GamerGate is not all bad. It shined some light on our beloved industry and forced people on both isles to start talking about stuff more openly.

Gaming Journalism Is Over

It's not all bad, it's just rooted in a massive invasion of privacy that has so far only accomplished intimidating and bullying women out of the industry.

Real cool movement bros.

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The QVC video for the interested QVC

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Patrick and Alex - thanks for continuing to speak out against all the BS that's been happening recently. Whatever valid points people have about ethics and the developer-journalist relationship are being drowned out by, as you noted, unconscionable behavior that has to stop. People do need to get their priorities straight so any kind of constructive dialogue can happen. I know it's not easy since you personally know so many of the folks being attacked, but I'm grateful that you're not giving up. Giant Bomb's in a position to help direct this conversation and I'm glad you're both trying.

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Interesting that you claim minorities are pushing an agenda, when as far as I can tell they are merely trying to fend off harassers and muster up one good reason to stay in this industry.

Meanwhile people pushing the gamergate bullshit are actually pushing their agenda onto others. The goal of this movement is clearly to silence legitimate critical thought that is typically espoused by marginalized people in the game industry and press.

While it is clear that there are people in that movement who don't approve of the harassment and are legitimately concerned about impropriety in the relationship between the press and the industry, I personally could not care less about their questions. At best they are ignorant of the distinction between criticism and journalism and the role of the critic and at worst they are tacit supporters of the oppression of critical thought because it is viewed as a personal assault against a hobby that they identify too closely with.

Either way, I don't care about any of them. I do care about voices being oppressed, people being intimidated and threatened and critical thought being curtailed by anti-intellectuals.

The real conversation is about this oppression and your conversation about corruption is the one that lies beneath.

Posted by Fyrtail

As a fellow "chill guy," I can sympathize with Alex's feelings of unexpected anger and not knowing what to do with it. Sad times.

Posted by Yelix

It's great that Patrick and Alex address the harassment garbage in this video, but, like many others have said, there needs to be something written about this that non-premium members can see on the front page.

Edited by AngriGhandi

The events of the past few months have led me to believe that we just need to shut down the "2.0" parts of the internet for a while. You know, comments, blogs, twitter-- give everybody time to relax and come back down to reality a little bit. Nothing too crazy, just like a month or two! Or three.

Also, shut down 4chan, for like, 10,000 months.

This will solve so many of our problems.

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@rockyraccoon37 said:

Either way, I don't care about any of them. I do care about voices being oppressed, people being intimidated and threatened and critical thought being curtailed by anti-intellectuals.

Oppression is fine as long as it is against those who share a different view than you I guess.

I see a whole lot of people that want to "talk" about making the gaming environment a better place, a whole lot of people that want a conversation to be had, but they can't seem to fathom that in ANY movement that conversation may come under fire from the lowest rung of the internet ladder. At that point we have many choices on how to proceed, so far we cower into a corner only to reemerge at the next controversy saying "This is a discussion that needs to be had." Only to repeat the process on a loop. I am only getting so involved in this lately because it's disturbing to see so many people who want to be congratulated for raising issues they evacuate at the first available chance. When the going gets tough it's time to throw the community to the wolves.

The crux of this movement is that the gaming community is complacent in behavior that it is inappropriate, that couldn't be further from the truth. The gaming community will continue supporting everyones right to play video games, they don't shy away from tough topics and they will condemn those who seek to disrupt a dialogue, this plays out day after day. The narrative focus of lone heroes standing against an army of misogynist gamers is fiction. It may break barriers and make certain people feel less special but I am strongly inclined to believe that given the chance gamers would prove they care about these issues and want to see progress made. Can that be done while a persistent effort is made to catalog them with the smaller evil of the internet? Absolutely not. It's painfully clear why this conversation has stalled, but if this just a vehicle to "play pretend" on social issues at least recognize what impact this has on all people when you suddenly decide you can't be bothered to participate anymore.

Posted by Homelessbird

@tr0n: Interesting articles.

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@angrighandi: If anybody who thinks 4chan is a hive of internet villainy actually spent any time there, they would find that, since it's almost completely unmoderated and anonymous, it's actually a forum for a much more diverse array of people and viewpoints than almost anywhere else on the internet. It's certainly got a lot of assholes and idiots, but shutting down the site wouldn't actually stop those people from existing.

Posted by Wolfgame

@estariol said:

Patrick and Alex - thanks for continuing to speak out against all the BS that's been happening recently. Whatever valid points people have about ethics and the developer-journalist relationship are being drowned out by, as you noted, unconscionable behavior that has to stop. People do need to get their priorities straight so any kind of constructive dialogue can happen. I know it's not easy since you personally know so many of the folks being attacked, but I'm grateful that you're not giving up. Giant Bomb's in a position to help direct this conversation and I'm glad you're both trying.

Patrick and Alex - thanks for continuing to speak out against all the BS that's been happening recently. Whatever valid points people have about ethics and the developer-journalist relationship are being drowned out by, as you noted, unconscionable behavior that has to stop.

At this point I am in 100% agreement with what is being said and the intent of Patrick and Alex. A conversation is being drowned out by a vulgar minority that can't be reasoned with.

People do need to get their priorities straight so any kind of constructive dialogue can happen.

People who rely on death threats and such to get a point across don't even recognize they have "priorities" to get in order. A concept of right or wrong is going to elude these people. We can only attempt to do our best to both recognize and condemn these issues and try to connect with the reasonable people on both sides that want to have a constructive dialogue. We have more ways to communicate online at our disposal than ever before. If we are wanting to rally the respectful and productive input from the gaming community it's something we CAN do. Alternatively we can sit and hope that this is a conversation we can have when there aren't any more mean people on the internet. Maybe in someone elses life time they can see the return on all this hard work.

I know it's not easy since you personally know so many of the folks being attacked, but I'm grateful that you're not giving up.

giving up is exactly what we have done, if we aren't willing to engage further then we have surrendered the home front to a small group of toxic people.

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The problem I have with the "we can't deal with the deeper questions while there is ongoing harassment and viciousness coming from these other people" argument is that, while superficially understandable, in practice that's cop-out logic that never ends. This isn't as simple as, to use the analogy Patrick did in the comments of his Q&A, putting out a forest fire. We can't just call fire fighters, wait a couple weeks, and the fire's gone.

There are people out there that are always going to be harassing others and being stupid shits. If you're asking me about abiding by some sort of state of emergency lockdown of debate by using rationale that can be invoked in perpetuity, you are not being reasonable. I am capable, as an adult, of holding two competing thoughts in my head at the same time about certain topics and certain people. If the answer to "when can we be introspective about these other industry issues and get answers on them" is "when there's less harassment from people" a more honest answer would be "basically never."

At this point when I look on Twitter and see members of the games press talking about how awful certain people are being, a clip of Bill Maher's "The terrorists hate us for our freedom!" George Bush impression plays on loop in my head. This has become a fight about a fight about a fight and at this point everyone involved needs to revert back to step one and sit down at the table and listen.

It should shame certain people that the most stand-up folks throughout this whole mess have been a smattering of YouTubers and Kotaku.

@wolfgame said:

Talking about people just enough to enrage them but not enough to engage them makes this whole thing so tiring.

This is an excellent way to refer to the situation.

Posted by rekatil

As someone who also is basically out of the loop from all of the events, it was kind of frustrating with them being so vague on the issue. From what I read, this is one of the biggest gaming stories in awhile and as a gaming journalism website (the best in my opinion) it would seem like they should be covering it at least a little.

The fact that Patrick and Alex danced around the issue was just mildly irritating is all.

Otherwise, Keep up the good work!

Posted by RockyRaccoon37

@wolfgame said:

@rockyraccoon37 said:

Either way, I don't care about any of them. I do care about voices being oppressed, people being intimidated and threatened and critical thought being curtailed by anti-intellectuals.

Oppression is fine as long as it is against those who share a different view than you I guess.

I see a whole lot of people that want to "talk" about making the gaming environment a better place, a whole lot of people that want a conversation to be had, but they can't seem to fathom that in ANY movement that conversation may come under fire from the lowest rung of the internet ladder. At that point we have many choices on how to proceed, so far we cower into a corner only to reemerge at the next controversy saying "This is a discussion that needs to be had." Only to repeat the process on a loop. I am only getting so involved in this lately because it's disturbing to see so many people who want to be congratulated for raising issues they evacuate at the first available chance. When the going gets tough it's time to throw the community to the wolves.

The crux of this movement is that the gaming community is complacent in behavior that it is inappropriate, that couldn't be further from the truth. The gaming community will continue supporting everyones right to play video games, they don't shy away from tough topics and they will condemn those who seek to disrupt a dialogue, this plays out day after day. The narrative focus of lone heroes standing against an army of misogynist gamers is fiction. It may break barriers and make certain people feel less special but I am strongly inclined to believe that given the chance gamers would prove they care about these issues and want to see progress made. Can that be done while a persistent effort is made to catalog them with the smaller evil of the internet? Absolutely not. It's painfully clear why this conversation has stalled, but if this just a vehicle to "play pretend" on social issues at least recognize what impact this has on all people when you suddenly decide you can't be bothered to participate anymore.

Oppression is absolutely fine when it's directed towards people who only seek to oppress critical thought, progress, equality and inclusiveness. A dialogue can not be had with a person or group of people who reject the notion that the problem even exists. Those people must be shamed, ostracized and left behind to shout impotently at their loss of a homogeneous group in a culture that has predominately catered solely to them. And I'm not speaking solely to people in that group who are clearly misogynist and racist (of which there are enough that should make any person question the movement as a whole) but more specifically to those who claim they want equality, but only within their terms. Those liberals who are for equality, but don't want people in oppressed groups to be loud or angry or voice their criticisms in specific forms, ultimately requiring a form of assimilation in order to allow for equality.

"You can do and make whatever you want, so long as it makes us comfortable and fits within our terms of what is objective, what is journalism and what is criticism".

Gamergate, at every level of it's confused messaging is at it's core about only one thing: white, male men who identify themselves with a commodified product, are hurt and scared that they will lose control of a culture that has almost always catered only to them. In retaliation to that, we have extremists who are doxxing, threatening, and publicly shaming women in the industry and the men who stand at their side. We have Alex Jones conspiracy theory nuts who deny that any wrongdoing is occurring and if it is then it is entirely self-inflicted and part of some false flag campaign. And then we have the seemingly nice, calm liberal voices who don't agree with those crazies but ultimately still want to control the narrative of progress and are damning themselves (thankfully) by holding onto the gamergate name whose foundation is rotten to the core.

If you have questions about the relationship between the press and the industry, then fine (not really, it's dumb but whatever), but for your own sake don't associate it with this movement in any way. And don't attempt to suggest that the conversation must occur now, because it highlights your utter lack of empathy and reinforces the fact that you (consciously or subconsciously) want to divert attention away from real people who are being forced out of their homes and out of the industry because they have articulated thoughts that upset the status quo.

Posted by RockyRaccoon37

@r3d_zombie said:

had no idea what they were talking about for the first half, good show otherwise.

I want to be you.

To be fair though, doesn't this response (and others here who have also claimed ignorance) show the need for this website and it's staff, along with the other large gaming websites, to come out and detail what's happening and to condemn it wholesale?

In some fashion I also wish I didn't know about what was happening, but ignorance is not bliss here. People need to know what is happening, why it's happening and where you guys stand on the issue. Not everyone here reads your twitter or tumblr pages, it's a significant gesture when it's posted on the website so everyone can see where you all stand.

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I love it when a vocal minority (in this case the GamersGate folks and the journalists) make something out to be far bigger than it is.

At most this is affecting perhaps, (and I'm being generous here) a couple hundred people, but both sides are more than happy to make it seem like it's the entire millions of gaming folk out there involved in this.

The gaters and the journos though love to drag the rest of us into their silly war that the vast majority of people want nothing to do with. They are in this echo chamber that makes this seem far larger than it actually is.

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@rekatil said:

As someone who also is basically out of the loop from all of the events, it was kind of frustrating with them being so vague on the issue. From what I read, this is one of the biggest gaming stories in awhile and as a gaming journalism website (the best in my opinion) it would seem like they should be covering it at least a little.

The fact that Patrick and Alex danced around the issue was just mildly irritating is all.

Otherwise, Keep up the good work!

I can imagine it's difficult to cover, because the core of this "movement" goes back to a group of people going out of their way to destroy ZoE Quinn's and her friend's lives over an incorrectly perceived threat to game journalism. It's a lot of TMZ-level stuff that goes far beyond this site.

There is a debate to be had for integrity in the industry, but the only reason the current one exists is because these bullies and terrorists (there's no better word for what these people are) on various social media sites are looking for targets to destroy for any reason they can find.

Jeff already had to put out a statement last month that harassment from the community is unacceptable under any circumstances, so I'm not sure what they would put on the front of the site that would be much different now.

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My view on the whole gamergate bullshit is that it's clear that some games journalists have some disdain for their audience. No denying that. But as for the larger issues of corruption and such, that's largely a non issue. There's no smoking gun here, no evidence of any corruption of any note. As for the disclosure issue: Kotaku is free to implement a pretty draconian policy in terms of banning Patreon etc. But that shouldn't mean that every part of the games media that don't do that should be considered suspect, potentially on the take or whatever. The games media does by and large follow the same rules as the rest of the entertainment media in terms of transparency and disclosure of relationships etc.

This story is only "big" because of the harassment it caused, other than that it's just bullshit with some gaming journalists reacting way too harshly and generalizing "gamers" with a handful of dumb articles, and then a lot of people generalizing every part of the games media in order to show that they dislike generalizing.

Also, that Slate article is just a rehash of the old common knowledge about big games media dying with a dumb click bait headline, Slate style. Nothing to see there, we already knew that.

Posted by GunsAreDrawn

You guys need to take a chill pill and stop getting so mad about this stuff. I saw some of Brad and Alex's tweets and they both seem to let it get to them so easily and they aren't even the ones getting any hate.

Everyone's getting too offended about things nowadays, you just need to realize that the internet has become an outlet for people to say things they wouldn't normally say out loud, I bet a lot of them don't even mean what they say, they just know that it will get under your skin because you're taking things too seriously.

Edited by SethMode

I am having trouble caring about the "GamerGate" shit, so I'll juts say, I feel bad that I sold Diablo 3 on 360 because it was stupid and my girlfriend and I were bored. We just found it to be so easy. Perhaps if we had known that Normal was apparently ridiculously easy, we would have upped the difficulty and given it more of a shot. In saying that, I feel bad that we wrote it off so easily (although, in our defense, I shouldn't have to try out a game on Expert difficulty just for some degree of challenge).

Posted by niyoko

@r3d_zombie said:

had no idea what they were talking about for the first half, good show otherwise.

I want to be you.

I only got to listen to the first half, and I was scratching my head about what has happened to make you and Alex so visibly agitated with the gaming community at large. As someone who does respect your opinion Partick, Alex's as well, I did look more into the matters that you were eluding to in the show.

I walked away with the feeling that this whole mess is very childish and uncalled for coming from people who are grown adults. We could sit down together and chat casually about how bad people can get on the internet, but it's sad to see all of this comming from the gamming community. It's a community that I associate myself with. A community that I would like to share with my one and a half year old son, but it the kind of people that caused all of the vile defecation to publicly litter our homes, news feeds, and website conversation that is uncalled for. As a developer as well I'm pleased to see that developers are taking a stand and that so many people with good morality are left to speak up.

Yes, I was ignorate for the most part of what when down this week, but I think that ignorance of what happed is not bliss. I've walked away ashamed at people, I've also walked away with a stronger desire to represent developers, like myself better and stand up to be a better representative for the gaming community.(Makes me remember the whole premiss behind WWJD.)

Thanks Alex and Patrick for the talk.

Posted by Wolfgame

@niyoko: I think it's unfortunate the actions of a small group of vile people has led you to believe that reflects accurately on the larger respectful gaming community. I certainly wish you the very best as a game dev and believe you will find significant support and encouragement in your goals from the wider community.

Posted by Undeadpool

Kind of incredible how many people in this very comment section of this generally excellent community are advocating, "Well now, maybe these people threatening death and sexual assault upon female game's journalists/bloggers have a POINT."

Even IF they're mad at something legitimate, this isn't how you EXPRESS that.

Posted by Wolfgame

@undeadpool: can't find a single person in here that has said the death threats were appropriate. Completely disgraceful to imply that the users who have posted in here are advocating for that behavior. We are reading very different comment threads if the message you are taking away is that death threats and sexual assault are condoned.

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I think if the mainstream video game media had higher standards for the sort of people they choose to promote, there wouldn't be so much backlash at those people from the dregs. When a particular person is featured on a website in a video chastising "internet jerks" for posting unkind things online, and that person is accused of doing something which is deeply hurtful and selfish to other people in their personal life, and that website refuses to make a statement about it, and in fact censors all discussion of the person in question, I think it can only really be expected that people won't be very happy. I think that when this person has been featured multiple times on this website within the span of a year, and when a major contributor to the website has this person's name listed in a section labeled "mad respect" on his personal website, and when the accusation directed at this person is of personal and professional impropriety, I think that there is sufficient personal connection between at least this particular website and this person that certain details of their personal life ARE in fact of concern to the readership.

Perhaps if the mainstream video game media had a modicum of respect for the reality that not all of their readership shared the same social views, and either abstain from promoting or being seen as promoting those whose views might be seen as radical, or at the very least offering some kind of alternative viewpoints on these issues, instead of marginalizing those with even moderately conservative views, some of these marginalized individuals wouldn't feel the need to resort to extreme tactics to make their dissatisfaction known.

I do not condone the harassment campaign that has taken place over the past week, and I did not make a single contribution to the discussion before this post, but I understand why people are acting the way they are. They're sick of the partisan self-righteousness that has become more and more conventional in the mainstream video game media. They're sick of having no voice, and of having their even-tempered responses ignored or blown off by wannabe political journalists. Since moderate calm has failed them, what else do you expect but radical aggression?

YOU are the source of it. YOU created these people. The least you could do is accept some of the responsibility for the toxic culture you've helped build, instead of just acting snarky or indignant towards it. And yes, this is to be addressed NOW, not after months of villainizing and wound-licking. That's what you do every time this happens, and where has it gotten us?

Posted by LaserJesus

I liked Gods Will Be Watching, but Alex has valid points about the puzzles, especially about the third puzzle. The third puzzle is not well explained up front, you have to talk to the doctor a bunch in order to learn incredibly crucial information about what you need to do. It also isn't very clear on your actual time limits, the first number on the clock is actually only how long you have to clear all the rubble. You have 48 hours total to find the cure, and that time limit is never displayed, only told to you in dialogue.

Posted by Wolfgame

I think I've said just about all I can on this topic. People involved longer than me have a very specific idea on when we can finally all call ourselves gamers. Right now it's apparently important to first distance ourselves and create a divide before the larger gaming community can be the place you want. I don't know what that will look like or if it's something I would ever want to be apart of. In my mind we should come together as gamers first and foremost then build off that mutual passion to create an environment we can all enjoy. I can't force that to happen alone though, right now we can'tt get there because people who aren't me make death threats.

The status quo dictates that women and homosexuals identify on those principles first. the effort to convince them they can't possibly be accepted in the gaming community is much too loud for someone like me to stop. I can scream at the top of my lungs that I want everyone to feel welcome in gaming but we just aren't there yet. Its not a conversation that the narrative has established we can have. This doesn't need to be change that takes place born out of journalism panels or podcasts, we hold the power as gamers to create the community we want. I feel like somewhere we have forgotten that. Like I said, I think I have said everything I can on this. I found some truly unique perspective in here and appreciate the opportunity to engage in the discussion with everyone.