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Posted by Littlejehova

So glad this game is getting more attention on the site. Loving the new focus on rougelikes. Hopefully we get to see Dungeons of Dreadmore sometime soon. Keep up the great work Patrick!

Posted by JauntyHat

Been playing this game for awhile now and It's great to see it being played from a, willing, beginner's standpoint.

Posted by strings19

Patrick, any chance of pulling in Remo for some tips? I know he played the hell out of this game a year ago. Or, do your Spelunky issues run too deep?

Edited by mithhunter55

Just got my tarot cards today! :D

Edit: Awesome run today! Well done

Edited by csl316

I honestly can't play this game with anyone other than Magdalene.

Posted by croon

Brad playing dota which I've spent hundreds of hours on, now Patrick playing BoI which I've spent ~200 hours on. Shame I never manage to catch it live, though I'd probably spoil too much with hints. Anyways, good job Patrick, finishing Mom on the... 5th run? That's really fast!

Edited by JSwan13

Sick art

Posted by Vortextk

Singing spelunky at the beginning has to be the best part.

Posted by RonGalaxy

What the hell happened to patrick at 7:38? Is patrick a secret lizard man from space?

Edited by 8bitBaldSpot

I've logged 8 or 9 hours and never beat mom. Patrick "RogueMaster" Kleppek beat her right away. Bravo sir!

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@csl316 said:

I honestly can't play this game with anyone other than Magdalene.

For me Cain was too useful not to play as, but I never unlocked the dice for Isaac.

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Edited by TowerSixteen

@xite: I find the dice to be a bit overrated anyway, though perhaps I just have terrible luck with it.

Posted by steevl

@patrickklepek If I may give you just one tip about secret rooms, it's this: there's no need to test more than one wall per suspected secret room. You were fixated on one specific part of the map in this run as a possible secret room, but as soon as you bombed it and there was no secret entrance you should have just moved on and tried a different part of the map.

You'll probably see how this works better once you come across one of the items that lets you see secret rooms. I won't mention which items those are. :)

Overall good run today, though! Looking forward to seeing how well you fare once you get past Mom. It gets significantly harder.

Edited by RonGalaxy

@patrickklepek You keep saying that you are hammering on the buttons to continuously shoot. You can just hold the button down to keep shooting continuously.

Posted by ShaggE

Loving this. It inspired me to go back to BOI myself and finally see it through to the end. Mom's Heart and beyond is really rough, especially with Wrath of the Lamb, but I've been having some great runs.

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@towersixteen: I find the dice to be amazing. Even on good runs you'll probably run into several items you don't want or need, and if you find them early enough you get several chances to reroll them into something useful. Getting a few extra useful items is well worth it, and helps prevent terrible runs where you get nothing but useless spacebar items in the treasure rooms.

@patrickklepek I think you were pretty spot on with most of your choices. Maggie's extra health and heart are good for learning the game, but after learning enemies/bosses you'll be able to play through most of the game with taking low enough damage that you can heal through pickups. Some health is important, but for lower levels combat-assisting items and powerups are far more necessary. Otherwise you did well in strategizing about when to use bombs/keys/money depending on your resources. It's same as Spelunky in that you try to maximize what the game gives you. I normally try to keep around at least a key for a treasure room and a bomb for anything valuable.

Posted by anbilow

Wait, serious question, is this game actually supposed to be humorous? It just seems disturbing to me.

Posted by BisonHero

@narujoe93 said:

@patrickklepek You keep saying that you are hammering on the buttons to continuously shoot. You can just hold the button down to keep shooting continuously.

Yeah, I really hope he meant "holding down the button continuously". This game would get very tiring if you were tapping the shoot button constantly.

Anyway, Pat got beat by Mom, but I can't blame him. I still think Mom is basically the hardest fight in the game, pre- or post-expansion. You can't hug any of the center of the walls for more than a second without her arm wailing on you, she spawns some enemies that actually have a fair bit of health or shoot projectiles, and when she spawns multiple enemies, sometimes you just get surrounded. She throws a lot at you, all at once.

Posted by BeachThunder

Just got my tarot cards today! :D

Edit: Awesome run today! Well done

:O Amazing.

Anyway, Pat got beat by Mom, but I can't blame him. I still think Mom is basically the hardest fight in the game, pre- or post-expansion.

I would say that the final 3 story bosses are much harder.

Posted by GeneralZod37

Patrick's lack of appreciation for the music in this game is depressing. Other than that, this is a great feature. Having put ~800 hours into the game, It is great to see someone new learning all the kinks and strategies.

It will be great when he learns to adapt his Gurdy strategy on Mom.

Posted by BisonHero

@beachthunder: But you have so much more room to maneuver in those fights, and if you make it through the Depths and Womb to those final 3 story bosses, your build is probably halfway decent. I guess I feel like Mom is often the decider of whether I'm going to make it to the credits or not, because if I can beat her, usually that particular run is good enough that I'll make it all the way to the end.

Posted by Nime

@xite: I exclusively used Cain until I got the Dice.

Edited by BeachThunder

I guess I feel like Mom is often the decider of whether I'm going to make it to the credits or not, because if I can beat her, usually that particular run is good enough that I'll make it all the way to the end.

Yeah, I definitely get what you're saying, It's certainly a threshold. Although, there's an easy way to beat Mom instantly.

Also, the last few bosses can really throw a lot of stuff at you.

Posted by RonGalaxy

@bisonhero: I don't really have that much trouble with mom (at least not anymore). This is a poor explanation of my strategy (mostly because I don't really have a concrete strategy): constantly keep moving and stay in the middle of the room. I, personally, dont pay too much attention to the enemies she throws at you, and tend to avoid them. After that, my main attack point is her leg. Move left, wait for the legs shadow, move right, leg drops down, shoot, repeat. Sometimes I'll shoot at the other stuff that pops out of the wall, but that isn't my focus. The rest is really up to luck (the items you get and how much health you have). I haven't died on her in a very long time, so I must be doing something right.

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@narujoe93: That is a good way to do it. I stand just above the West portal so it only triggers her arm, but it doesn't damage me. Proceed to keep hitting her arm and taking care of the enemies she spawns and bam, she is dead.

Posted by damonstein

@anbilow: it's supposed to be very dark humor.

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@anbilow said:

Wait, serious question, is this game actually supposed to be humorous? It just seems disturbing to me.

Black comedy or gallows humor is often disturbing, but I think the game's grotesque-cute artstyle can be oddly endearing.

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Posted by Crippl3

So, for anyone who wants to know more about the secret room:

Patrick has the solution. If there is a secret room on that floor, it will most likely be in a spot where it is surrounded by the most rooms in that floor. The thing is, Patrick found a few spots where it could have been, but only bombed one of the possible locations, and gave up. Also, if you bomb one wall of a potential secret room and it doesn't open, that means it is not there, and you don't have to bomb the other walls around that spot.

Posted by Crippl3

Also, I got real worried early on in this run. When he picked up Lemon Mishap, I first thought it was

Number One, one of the worst items in the game (if not the worst).

Luckily, it wasn't. Good run today Patrick!

Posted by SJSchmidt93

I'm so happy Patrick has finally discovered how great this game really is. When it came out they kind of shoved it aside and didn't really seem to care for it, but it is a fantastic game and a wonderful timesink.

Posted by mdnthrvst

It's a roguelike

He really is just fucking around now, isn't he? Whatever. I count my victories where I can. Not everyone cares enough to respect history when indie fads roll in.

Posted by Halogen17

@littlejehova: I would also love to see Patrick play Dungeons of Dredmor, but I feel like the game would not fit the show compared to Spelunky and BoI. Being careful and taking your time can mean 30 minutes on a single floor. Runs that make it past the first three or four floors can go on for a rather significant amount of time, way longer than one hour. The RPG and loot mechanics are definitely fun, but probably not as fun for an audience to watch.

Posted by ichthy

@crippl3: Do you know if that still applies in the expansion? I could have sworn that it was harder to find the secret room using that strategy than in vanilla.

Posted by randomnull

Perhaps this has been addressed before but is there a way you could limit the volume coming through your microphone? whenever you exclaim it can get very loud and occasionally painful especially with headphones.

In any case keep up the good work, really enjoying all the content you've been putting out.

Posted by Efesell

It's a roguelike

He really is just fucking around now, isn't he? Whatever. I count my victories where I can. Not everyone cares enough to respect history when indie fads roll in.

There will never be victories associated with whining about genres.

Edited by omatictoast

I'm really enjoying this feature. Thanks Patrick!

Posted by amlabella

Another great episode. Beat the game for the first time today, thanks for the inspiration Patrick!

Posted by dudeglove

@patrickklepek Some observations/answers to yesterday's stream:

Those "strange little minibosses" may become the bane of your existence once you get deeper into the game.

For the vampire bat "kills heal" item, some weaker enemies (specifically flies) do not count as "kills", whatshisname from the chat was right, it's basically the kapala from Spelunky, but only bigger enemies can be juiced.

Tears/shots have slightly odd but specific physics to them. If you like, try experimenting with Isaac just standing still in the middle of empty room shooting tears in all four directions. Then see what happens to the shot when you shoot and move back/forward/strafe. With a diagonal shot, if you come across rocks arranged in a checkerboard formation, it's possible to shoot through that gap in much the same way you managed to cross those spikes the day before. It's a bit of a high-level thing to do, but there are some situations where it's helpful. Learning to shoot diagonally is useful for taking out enemies who, say, can only shoot four ways.

Additionally, tears will cause knockback to enemies, even bosses. This is both good and bad, as you've noticed when Chubb (chunky white asshole caterpillar thing) charges you, he gets slightly knocked off course and sometimes into you when you try to dodge.

Posted by cooljammer00

Anybody else getting weird jump cuts, like about 22 minutes in when Patrick beats Gurdy and visits the Devil guy? It just skips him going in, and I know it wasn't cut for time because Patrick doesn't do that.

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Anybody else getting weird jump cuts, like about 22 minutes in when Patrick beats Gurdy and visits the Devil guy? It just skips him going in, and I know it wasn't cut for time because Patrick doesn't do that.

Twitch is iffy is the short answer to that question.

Posted by Homelessbird

@littlejehova: I would also love to see Patrick play Dungeons of Dredmor, but I feel like the game would not fit the show compared to Spelunky and BoI. Being careful and taking your time can mean 30 minutes on a single floor. Runs that make it past the first three or four floors can go on for a rather significant amount of time, way longer than one hour. The RPG and loot mechanics are definitely fun, but probably not as fun for an audience to watch.

If Partick starts streaming an actual Roguelike, I hope to god it's not Dredmore. It has the nice graphics, sure, but it's far and away the least mechanically interesting traditional roguelike. There's very little in the way of interesting interaction going on in there, at least compared to, say, Nethack or ADOM.

Posted by Novocaine

Hey Patrick, some arcade room feedback for you, sort of spoilery.

I would recommend taking advantage of them as much as possible, especially if you have cleared a level and there are hearts lying around, you can juice a couple of extra coins from the sacrifice machine. Also if you have soul hearts (grey hearts) they will not be spent on the machine as long as you have enough red hearts to spend (down to 1/2 a heart remaining).

Either way you will more often than not come out of the arcade with more than you went in with (bombs/keys/money), especially if you have high luck.

On top of that each machine as a random chance to bust when you use it giving you an item specific to the machine.

Loving the stream by the way. I'm yelling at the screen less and less each episode.

Edited by 00

@patrickklepek Any of the walls surrounding a secret room will work as an entrance.

So if you use a bomb and don't find it, youʼre at the wrong location.

There is a rule which should let you determine where the secret roomʼs location is, but the random generator is bugged, so the room is sometimes in the wrong place—itʼs one of the things that the SpiderMod fixes.

Posted by Japperwokki

The best way to treat an arcade room, is to blow up all of the machines and the guy. You get much more in return than relying on pure luck.

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Edited by dudeglove

The best way to treat an arcade room, is to blow up all of the machines and the guy. You get much more in return than relying on pure luck.

Nonsense. Playing it right you can emerge with a full halo of flies, 99 coins, the skatole reward from the guy (turd hat that gives a kind of immunity to flies), and +2 HP and a speed boost from the blood bank. Worst case scenario is both machines blow up and the guy gets killed by a troll bomb.

Admittedly playing as Cain makes this far easier to do, but it's absolutely possible.

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@mdnthrvst said:

It's a roguelike

He really is just fucking around now, isn't he? Whatever. I count my victories where I can. Not everyone cares enough to respect history when indie fads roll in.

C'mon man. This is certainly less roguelike than NetHack or more recently Dungeons of Dredmor, but it certainly isn't the most offensive application of the classification. It might not strictly adhere to the "Berlin Interpretation", but it's easy to understand how it could be seen as falling under a broader definition of the term.

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Posted by IronScimitar

The plot to this game is so deranged.

Posted by berterbertez

@mdnthrvst:

I personally have trouble respecting people who get genuinely upset about genres expanding but to each his own.

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