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Edited by ghostNPC

huh, good point. 

Sigh, I've really just given up on you, Star Wars.
 
edit: i just noticed the title of this video sounds really strange and bad

Posted by scarace360

im already in.

Posted by Hector

okay... next...

Edited by Hot_Sawce

Storms?  Storms in the Old Republic?  This isn't fucking Joystiq, what the hell?

Posted by Cordiss

I like how that last shot suggests that it's really not that big of a deal when a Jedi leaves a Sith to die on a pile of molten rock.

Posted by Giefcookie

Thats some MMO-ass animation quality.

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Posted by Ali_D

Wait, didn't he just take out the first dude with a lightsabre, then deflect some blaster bolts with it as well?

Edited by Seppli

I'd roll a Jedi Consular, if it wasn't for that dumb skill pulling a porta potty out of the ground ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE!
 
I'd make it tons of little rocks and dust being compacted by the force into a pointy rockcone that's being hurled at the enemy. All Mortal Kombat like.
 
Fucking hate that skill sooo much. Almost ruins SW:TOR for me. Not really... but I hate it a lot. It's just a 'leaving a bad taste in my mouth' type of animation. I expect better than that.
 
Guess it's got to be Sith Lightning Bub then. Or I'll just roll the melee jedi class. Other than that - SW:TOR's looking better with every consecutive trailer.

Posted by Gildermershina

Man, I really hate how MMO combat has no action to it whatsoever. Troopers just standing there in the open shooting each other until one of them dies, then aiming at the next guy and so on. And the Jedi duals are two guys standing rooted to one spot facing each other trading ridiculous over-animated attacks where they do a crazy backflip - and possibly just miss due to the nature of the game. I mean, that'd be fine if that's what Star Wars combat looked like, but it isn't. The only really static lightsaber duel was Vader vs. Obi-Wan, and they sure as hell weren't doing crazy jumps. 
 
That said, I'm willing to give this game the benefit of the doubt because KOTOR was kind of the exact same way.

Posted by SwagginWagon

Force push? Nah I'm good, bro.

Posted by Oni

Bald goatee class is the bestest class

Posted by MadLaughter

The music was awesome, Consular looks alright.  Here's something I am copying and pasting from another forum, directed at people who will inevitably bitch about the release date stuff.
 
"TOR was announced on Oct. 21st, 2008. It's likely shipping in a few months, they've revealed a release window.

Guild Wars 2 was announced on March 27th, 2007. It will likely not ship this year. No release date/window.

Diablo III was announced on June 28, 2008. It will likely not ship this year. No release date/window. (yeah it's a single player game, but it has a lot of similarities to MMOs).

WoW announced: September 2, 2001 - released November 4, 2004.
LotrO announced: 2003 (technically 1998, but it was a diff company) - released in March 2007.
SWG announced: March 2000 - released June 2003"

Posted by TorMasturba

I love Star wars, I was even very slightly okay with the prequels, so I'll give this game a shot, but I ain't buying it on release or anything, I'm going to go play a trial when trials become available later on down the line.

Posted by crusader8463

Still sticking to my assassin. I really liked the sniper build back in the Alpha.

Posted by Slaneesh

This game is going to be so bad.
 
Im saying that with much sadness

Posted by bonbolapti

"Why does he even need a lightsaber if he's going to spend the whole trailer using the force?"
 
 BEcAUSE DOOD, lightsaber Is a fuckin Shield for A JEDI, DAWG.  
You sheep.

Posted by Management

That didn't really look too good. It looked kinda bad actually.

Posted by Blissett

The more I see and hear about this game the more I worry that it's not going to live up to the hype. Certainly not a day one purchase for me - I'll wait to see if it takes off. Trouble is, if there's too many people like me it'll struggle.

Posted by Toxin066

I wish it was Williams composing the soundtrack and not just dudes licensing Two Steps from Hell to do it. Iono. Maybe that was just for the trailer. But man, the more I see of this game, the less excited I am for it.

Edited by EpicReflex

Lightsabers that don't dismember aren't Lightsabers. 

Posted by Eribuster

I recognize that music. It's the music when you win the Global Starcraft 2 Team League or the GSL Final.

Posted by rmanthorp

NOLAN!? That's a pretty cool trailer.

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Posted by TheChaos

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 
Nobody asked for this, all we wanted was KOTOR 3.

Posted by DeadMonkeys

I'm a Jedi, and I NEVER change my facial expression.

Posted by Rirse

No Steam, No Sale

Posted by StingingVelvet

@TheChaos said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Nobody asked for this, all we wanted was KOTOR 3.

Pretty much. They have dollar signs in their eyes, though. Can't blame them for going after the WoW money.

Posted by TheYear20XX
@TheChaos said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Nobody asked for this, all we wanted was KOTOR 3.
I've got good news for you: that's basically what this is, only with online co-op.
Posted by lockwoodx

That looked terrible.

Posted by BisonHero
@MisuseOfLasers said:
@TheChaos said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Nobody asked for this, all we wanted was KOTOR 3.
I've got good news for you: that's basically what this is, only with online co-op.
Online co-op with a few thousand other assholes. Thanks, but I'll be fine without the experience.
Posted by Christwood

Watching this makes me want Guild Wars 2.

Posted by HarryDemeanor
@TheChaos said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Nobody asked for this, all we wanted was KOTOR 3.
I asked for this. Come at me, bro.
Posted by lacke
@BisonHero: Yeah, at least there will one asshole less. Or two. Don't think I'll get this game. Subscription based MMOs are over, imo, specially $15/month. Go to a F2P model like DDO.
Posted by PoweredByHentai

Still a Day One purchase for me. My friends and I are psyched to fight for the Republic. 
 
I'll be rolling a Consular after seeing this video. Jedi Sage is going to be awesome.

Posted by Knigge

Ugh. All the combat looks so awful, it saddens me. Maybe take some of that Fourth Pillar and put it into the fun shit?

Posted by Great__defunct__Northern

Where is the ambassador? 

Posted by Red

I have absolutely no idea why people are so cynical about this game. Anyways, I'll probably roll Consular as my Republic alt, but I'm gonna be maining an Imperial Operative.

Posted by RagnarokZero

Completely psyched for this game - I didn't ask for this originally, but will be more than happy to play through 8 different main KOTOR stories and hang out with my friends in this world. For those who just want a single player game out of this, you could always just play through a long class story without grouping with anyone. Then resubscribe when/if you feel like doing another?

Posted by SpartanAmbrose
Posted by Tennmuerti

It looked alright until that epic battle where dudes stood in one place shooting each other for a minute.

Posted by Levio

There's no way I'm signing up for another game of "Kill 50 dire boars".

So unless TOR has a radically superior quest system...

Posted by Zabant
@Levio: dont you mean jedi boars?
Posted by Xenotu
@Toxin066 said:

I wish it was Williams composing the soundtrack and not just dudes licensing Two Steps from Hell to do it. Iono. Maybe that was just for the trailer. But man, the more I see of this game, the less excited I am for it.

Bingo. Publisher fail on the music, developer fail on the lame mmo mechanics.
Posted by Duder_Me

Matt, without the light saber, he wouldn't be able to defend himself against melee attacks. DUH.

Posted by BadOrcLDR

Damned DPS! Always kill the Healer first!

...or the mage... though, the healer is like an especially dickish mage.

Posted by Wandrecanada

Did he just pull a Darth Vader creation move at the end?

Posted by project343

@Gildermershina said:

Man, I really hate how MMO combat has no action to it whatsoever. Troopers just standing there in the open shooting each other until one of them dies, then aiming at the next guy and so on. And the Jedi duals are two guys standing rooted to one spot facing each other trading ridiculous over-animated attacks where they do a crazy backflip - and possibly just miss due to the nature of the game. I mean, that'd be fine if that's what Star Wars combat looked like, but it isn't. The only really static lightsaber duel was Vader vs. Obi-Wan, and they sure as hell weren't doing crazy jumps. That said, I'm willing to give this game the benefit of the doubt because KOTOR was kind of the exact same way.

Your problem isn't with the MMO genre, but rather, is with the RPG genre. Look at the original KOTOR games--they're incredibly "stand around and watch numbers tick." With that said, there are quite a few "twitch skill" MMORPGs out there. Hell, even limited to the free to play categories, I can name a few.

See: Dragon Nest, Spiral Knights, Vindictus.

Posted by tourgen

wow that was terrible, really really bad.  were most of those animations missing frames or what?  also why is no one moving?  was that all static lightmaps?  Is this 2004?  what the hell is going on over there at bioware?  I love how it's 2011 and all the round objects have gotten upgraded from pentagons to octagons.  Really fantastic modelling guys.

Posted by DeadDorf

Steam fanboys need to STFU.

Posted by Gildermershina

@Gildermershina said:

Man, I really hate how MMO combat has no action to it whatsoever. Troopers just standing there in the open shooting each other until one of them dies, then aiming at the next guy and so on. And the Jedi duals are two guys standing rooted to one spot facing each other trading ridiculous over-animated attacks where they do a crazy backflip - and possibly just miss due to the nature of the game. I mean, that'd be fine if that's what Star Wars combat looked like, but it isn't. The only really static lightsaber duel was Vader vs. Obi-Wan, and they sure as hell weren't doing crazy jumps. That said, I'm willing to give this game the benefit of the doubt because KOTOR was kind of the exact same way.

Your problem isn't with the MMO genre, but rather, is with the RPG genre. Look at the original KOTOR games--they're incredibly "stand around and watch numbers tick." With that said, there are quite a few "twitch skill" MMORPGs out there. Hell, even limited to the free to play categories, I can name a few.

See: Dragon Nest, Spiral Knights, Vindictus.

I am aware this gameplay choice is part of most Western RPGs, and like I say, KOTOR is a great example of that. I guess I just wish we'd get a little bit more advanced, and get better at hiding the dice-rolls.
 
The problem I have is more that an MMO on this production scale that's set in a huge action-based universe, maybe should try and address those action gameplay aspects a little better. I understand RPGs need to run dicerolls, but I'm not sure why these dicerolls can't still happen while players and NPCs are moving about, reacting to the environment. I can forgive them for the melee stuff - I'm sure choreographing a proper dynamic lightsaber fight on the fly is near-impossible - but gun-wielding characters could surely move around, maybe move behind cover for a save bonus, and maybe you have a simple trade-off for moving-and-firing where you have less accuracy but you are also harder to hit.
 
I know I'm just throwing ideas around, but I think I'd be more excited to see some mechanical innovation within the MMO space that fits the property than to learn they've got X thousand hours of voicework.
Posted by Rhombus_Of_Terror

Kane liv... oh wait, wrong game.

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