The Jedi Consular Storms In The Old Republic

Damn this trailer was terrible.  They need to get on with the beta already cuzz shit like this isn't very inspiring. 

Lightsabers that don't dismember aren't Lightsabers. 

I guess I'll just have to face the fact that Mass Effect has taken over the KotOR mantle and move along.

Sorry for the crude response but wow that looks so shit.

This isn't the game you're looking for.

Hmm... actually that didn't look too bad at all haha.. I kinda liked it.  Not sure I'm gonna play the game though.. kinda done with MMO's.

Leave it to an MMO to make cool things like awkward and shitty.

@Gildermershina said:

Man, I really hate how MMO combat has no action to it whatsoever. Troopers just standing there in the open shooting each other until one of them dies, then aiming at the next guy and so on. And the Jedi duals are two guys standing rooted to one spot facing each other trading ridiculous over-animated attacks where they do a crazy backflip - and possibly just miss due to the nature of the game. I mean, that'd be fine if that's what Star Wars combat looked like, but it isn't. The only really static lightsaber duel was Vader vs. Obi-Wan, and they sure as hell weren't doing crazy jumps. That said, I'm willing to give this game the benefit of the doubt because KOTOR was kind of the exact same way.

Your problem isn't with the MMO genre, but rather, is with the RPG genre. Look at the original KOTOR games--they're incredibly "stand around and watch numbers tick." With that said, there are quite a few "twitch skill" MMORPGs out there. Hell, even limited to the free to play categories, I can name a few.

See: Dragon Nest, Spiral Knights, Vindictus.

I am aware this gameplay choice is part of most Western RPGs, and like I say, KOTOR is a great example of that. I guess I just wish we'd get a little bit more advanced, and get better at hiding the dice-rolls. The problem I have is more that an MMO on this production scale that's set in a huge action-based universe, maybe should try and address those action gameplay aspects a little better. I understand RPGs need to run dicerolls, but I'm not sure why these dicerolls can't still happen while players and NPCs are moving about, reacting to the environment. I can forgive them for the melee stuff - I'm sure choreographing a proper dynamic lightsaber fight on the fly is near-impossible - but gun-wielding characters could surely move around, maybe move behind cover for a save bonus, and maybe you have a simple trade-off for moving-and-firing where you have less accuracy but you are also harder to hit. I know I'm just throwing ideas around, but I think I'd be more excited to see some mechanical innovation within the MMO space that fits the property than to learn they've got X thousand hours of voicework.

Looks sweet.

There's no way I'm signing up for another game of "Kill 50 dire boars".

So unless TOR has a radically superior quest system...

How did Lucasarts manage to make Jedis so uncool? I used to think of them as the mysterious and awesome "wizards of space." Now they are the "generic action character # 5,001." I am really disgusted with Lucasarts.  
 
P.S. WHERE IS MY X-WING OR TIE FIGHTER SERIES REBOOT??? 

Today's Forecast: Cloudy with a chance of Jedi Consular storms.

@saxmusician20 said:

How did Lucasarts manage to make Jedis so uncool? I used to think of them as the mysterious and awesome "wizards of space." Now they are the "generic action character # 5,001." I am really disgusted with Lucasarts. P.S. WHERE IS MY X-WING OR TIE FIGHTER SERIES REBOOT???

WHERE IS IT????

This looks so amature considering the people behind it

Look at those shoulder pads!

The animation looks so jerky. 

Is the music from Mass Effect 2?

Holy shit that looks boring. Even the poor Jedi in the video looks bored.

Even as a Bioware fan, it's pretty obvious to me that this is getting hype based on the fact that it's a Star Wars/KOTOR-themed MMO, rather than whether it is actually an amazing MMO or not. So I remain optimistic, but I have to say Guild Wars 2 is looking tempting...

i will always seek ridiculous shoulderpads

That looked pretty good to me.  I mean it's an MMO so I'm not sure why people would expect something other than static combat.  Yeah, before the GW2 zealots chime in, I know about that game, too.  Since ArenaNet went in a different direction, we'll have to see if their ideas work over time when the game is released sometime in the future.  This reminds me of KOTOR and that's a good thing.  The combat was calculated in the original Knights, so I'm hoping for some of that here.  I'm not interested in The Force Unleashed's style of hyper-kinetic activity.  I want something I can play for hours without suffering eyestrain or cramping.  Besides KOTOR wasn't about combat, it was about story and if this continues that tradition, then I'll get some good play from it.
 
@Krrutch said:

i will always seek ridiculous shoulderpads

This trailer looks like shit.

Epic battle commence!
*stand still, trade laser beams for 10 minutes without proper animations.*  

For defense.

If this wasn't an MMO I'd be all over this shit.

Wow, that looks so incredibly bland. Why don't they produce two hours of FMV instead? Those are actually good.

Hey I like this guy, He was totally getting it on with that chick at a distance. And some guy thinks he's bad with his red sword and all? Wave your finger at him in dissaproval, throw rocks then set him on fire. I like it. Oh and shoulder pads and staring at glowy blu stuff for Lucasarts/MS spiritual points..

he doesn't need a lightsaber because he is a healer which is a total joke. In those scenes you can see him rezzing allies lol. They should have made this game an MMO KOTOR. KOTOR had no dedicated healer. This game looks like it usees the trinity yet all you can have in a dungeon in TOR is 4 people: which is EXACTLY like KOTOR. That game would have been fun to play. Who here doesn't agree that a 4 person KOTOR wouldnt be fun? Anyone?

im already in.

I find it funny that everyone is talking shit about this game, but everyone here will either play it or play a trial. I mean EVERYONE. On forums, everyone bitches about WoW being the devil, but WoW is played by the entire population of a medium sized country, which means that people who say they hate WoW on forums are regular subscribers to WoW. The same thing is happening here.

I find it funny that everyone is talking shit about this game, but everyone here will either play it or play a trial. I mean EVERYONE. On forums, everyone bitches about WoW being the devil, but WoW is played by the entire population of a medium sized country, which means that people who say they hate WoW on forums are regular subscribers to WoW. The same thing is happening here.

Too bad the game is actually good and unique enough in the story that my enjoyment will be a significant number of  months instead of 2 weeks like rift. Wish i had the rift beta so i coulda known that.  
My only dread is dealing with the people who impose what they wanted and declare it to be what everyone wanted. If you're going to be disappointed before you even get it... do yourself, and everyone else, a favor and dont get it.  

if you had to put the consular into an RPG archetype, would he be a Druid or some sort of bard?

if you had to put the consular into an RPG archetype, would he be a Druid or some sort of bard?

Animation looks terrible

Hah this does look like WoW. 

@sephirm87 said:

I find it funny that everyone is talking shit about this game, but everyone here will either play it or play a trial. I mean EVERYONE. On forums, everyone bitches about WoW being the devil, but WoW is played by the entire population of a medium sized country, which means that people who say they hate WoW on forums are regular subscribers to WoW. The same thing is happening here.

GiantBomb just generally dislikes MMOs, yet they still like to bash them all the time. So much bashing of this game from people who don't like MMOs in the first place and want KOTOR 3. Because honestly.. This looks like a very polished MMO.

For an MMORPG, it looks okay, but for a Star Wars game it looks like shit. Having played a couple dozen MMORPGs, I find nothing enticing about this game. Yes there's "story" supposedly, but is that going to be enough if 80% of the game is collection/kill quests? Fuck no. Gimme another Jedi Knight or Tie Fighter or Battlefront. Lucasarts is trying so hard to make a game to compete with the heavy hitters that they're avoiding making the games we Lucasarts fans actually want.

JEDI'S CAN'T REVIVE PEOPLE! ONLY SITH! Did no one watch SW Ep. 3 Revenge of the Sith? Jeesh...

You know what I was  thinking of watching this trailer? A proper Knights of the Old Republic.

Regardless of the general consensus, I'm still very excited about The Old Republic. It's not just the social aspect of an MMO and the way that I'm still a fan of the classic movies, it's also the fact that there's finally an MMO that tries to bring the strong narrative of a single-player RPG to the table... Even if the animations look a little hokey at times.

That didn't really look too good. It looked kinda bad actually.

They could probably have designed a Jedi that looks less like a lumberjack.

Did he really just pull that random machine part out of the ground at 1:40? Seriously? You're going to display how inflexible your super specific ability animations are in an official fkin trailer? I thought the point of trailers were to show your game's good side

This looks like an up-ressed KotOR.
 
KotOR was EIGHT YEARS AGO

@snaptroll said:

For an MMORPG, it looks okay, but for a Star Wars game it looks like shit. Having played a couple dozen MMORPGs, I find nothing enticing about this game. Yes there's "story" supposedly, but is that going to be enough if 80% of the game is collection/kill quests? Fuck no. Gimme another Jedi Knight or Tie Fighter or Battlefront. Lucasarts is trying so hard to make a game to compete with the heavy hitters that they're avoiding making the games we Lucasarts fans actually want.

Sorry to give it more hype (especially in a TOR thread) but Guild Wars 2 is similarly putting a large focus on the story, but is also doing away with many of these tedious MMO conventions, including the shit gameplay.

Old Republic may be good "for an MMO" but why should MMO's have such ridiculously low standards? I'm glad that some upcoming ones are at least trying to get away from that.

@snaptroll said:

For an MMORPG, it looks okay, but for a Star Wars game it looks like shit. Having played a couple dozen MMORPGs, I find nothing enticing about this game. Yes there's "story" supposedly, but is that going to be enough if 80% of the game is collection/kill quests? Fuck no. Gimme another Jedi Knight or Tie Fighter or Battlefront. Lucasarts is trying so hard to make a game to compete with the heavy hitters that they're avoiding making the games we Lucasarts fans actually want.

Sorry to give it more hype (especially in a TOR thread) but Guild Wars 2 is similarly putting a large focus on the story, but is also doing away with many of these tedious MMO conventions, including the shit gameplay.

Old Republic may be good "for an MMO" but why should MMO's have such ridiculously low standards? I'm glad that some upcoming ones are at least trying to get away from that.

In all action in this game the characters are standing completely still, makes me think it's going to be utterly boring to play in the long run.