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Posted by KovicMAN

great.....

Posted by Alwaysrun

Fantastic....

Posted by MrBubbles

It's always a good time to jump in to Star Wars: The Old Republic

Posted by thatdutchguy

I wish they would make another Knights of the old republic game .....

Edited by Jedted

While i haven't played SWTOR in months i still love the game, it's just all the great stuff that they block off unless you pay for it.

I had 6 characters before F2P and unless i either re-sub or pay the unlock fee i can't access all those characters. Thanks EA!

Posted by AlmightyBoob

It's the bad kind of f2p that punishes you for not paying.

Edited by Morningstar

Grand......

Posted by jimmyfenix

Which game was it where Jeff bought a life times worth of access and they decided to make the MMO F2P . Was it this game or star trek ?

Edited by m16mojo2
Edited by vikingdeath1

I mean.... I liked Some of what I played when it was new.

and I fucking Love starwars, and Bioware! now that it's free I might actually consider going back to play some, it couldn't hurt right?

Posted by overrated44

It wouldn't be shocking to me if the space battle pvp was behind a paywall.

Edited by bunkerbuster05

Hey guys, The Old Republic is incredible, considering it's free to play. Its the best free MMO out there, and if you liked KotoR, you should give it a try. If you can get over all the restrictions, of course.

Or I could be passive aggressive about MMOs or something.

Posted by outerabiz

Which game was it where Jeff bought a life times worth of access and they decided to make the MMO F2P . Was it this game or star trek ?

that was trek.

someone should make a swg 2, the open world space combat in that game was pretty damn cool and seems to dwarf whatever this 12v12 thing will be, in terms of scope at least.

Posted by TDot
Posted by Nephrahim

"Given that it's free-to-play now, maybe it's not a terrible time to jump in?"

Spoken as someone who has not tried it, both before and after F2P. What a tremendous waste of talent went into this boring game.

Posted by kmzh

@jedted said:

While i haven't played SWTOR in months i still love the game, it's just all the great stuff that they block off unless you pay for it.

I had 6 characters before F2P and unless i either re-sub or pay the unlock fee i can't access all those characters. Thanks EA!

Preferred (which is what you would be since you used to subscribe) can now play 6 characters for free.

Edited by freakin9

Still waiting to be paid to play this before I jump in.

Edited by Finscher

Well, I told myself I wouldn't play any more of this until they added some form of proper space combat, but I was sure that it wouldn't survive long enough to get to that point. I feel betrayed by my own confidence.

Posted by Patman99

I played SWTOR for a long time with some friends. While we had a blast going to the level cap together, the pvp and end-game stuff just wasn't fun. Furthermore, the dungeons were not challenging beyond "I need better gear." In other words, there were no sort of combat puzzles or strategy that had to be employed to beat a section or boss.

In terms of pvp, we always got our asses kicked because we were on a server that had more in the other faction. We also played around the time when people could exploit their way to top (or near top, I forget) tier gear. So we were essentially always under-powered compared to most of the other people regardless of our team strategy. The difference between a geared max level character and a non-geared max level character was like an equivalent advantage of 10-15 levels. No competition.

Granted, I haven't looked at it in a long while but I doubt anything major has changed. It was really fun while it lasted but it would require a little bit more diversity to make me want to revisit it.

Posted by freakydude20

While it is free 2 play of course I believe this is a add for the next expansion which will cost money.... :( I'm still subscribed though so I will still be getting it :D

Posted by Sesquipedaliant

Still enjoying Old Republic and they've been great about adding new content. The space battle stuff was cool, though soon repetitive. Wonder how the ship customization will work since its not your character's ship.

Posted by project343

It's the bad kind of f2p that punishes you for not paying.

Nah. It doesn't punish you for not paying, but it's a poorly designed F2P model that shows that BioWare Austin has no clue what they're doing. Most of the content in the game can be unlocked with in-game currency (for relatively cheap prices). The problem is that everything in the game is locked. New players get in there, see all the restrictions and immediately freak out and uninstall because alternative methods of payment are never explained to them.

End result? A really poor new user experience that can be surmounted easily with a little bit of knowledge. Once you unlock everything that you like (which can be done easily), the only real hurdle is the limited weekly dungeon rolls and PVP runs.

Edited by kmzh

They've already said this space expansion will be free, though access times will be tiered. (Subs get it first, then preferred, then true f2p).

Furthermore, the dungeons were not challenging beyond "I need better gear." In other words, there were no sort of combat puzzles or strategy that had to be employed to beat a section or boss.

What? You can overgear to overcome strategy sometimes, but there's certainly puzzles and strategy you have to work out for most flashpoints (dungeons) and definitely all the operations (raids).

Posted by The_Vein

Just an example for how fucking nickle and dime ToR is, to hide your head slot you have to spend money to unlock the ability to wear a helmet but not have it show up. Fuck those guys.

Edited by spiralsin

I played SWTOR for about 6 months. Ironically, I enjoyed it mostly for the single player RPG aspects like the personal stories, character interactions, leveling/improving your character, etc. I thought the combat felt pretty good too for an MMO. Beyond that, they didn't take a lot of risks and used the same blueprint most every other game in the genre has. Still, it's the closest thing to another KOTOR at the moment.

Posted by bellmont42

@jimmyfenix said:

Which game was it where Jeff bought a life times worth of access and they decided to make the MMO F2P . Was it this game or star trek ?

that was trek.

someone should make a swg 2, the open world space combat in that game was pretty damn cool and seems to dwarf whatever this 12v12 thing will be, in terms of scope at least.

Kind of a grey area but it's legal.

http://www.swgemu.com/forums/index.php

No JTL support yet though.

Posted by KommanderCevin

I started playing on a whim about a week ago and I've been sucked right in. Lots of fun as far as I'm concerned, even considering paying the subscription. Hard to think it how it ended up panned.

Posted by fox01313

While I had fun for the few months of playing this around launch, the space combat was a rail shooter for the most part. Not sure if this has changed much since then but if not, a pvp rail shooter in Old Republic just sounds a bit silly (beyond my normal dislike of doing much pvp in mmorpgs beyond the odd day every now & then, most time is in pve).

Posted by amir90

@patman99: Are you sure you remember correctly? The raids had some difficult sections, gear alone wasn´t enough. Not sure how it is now with all the new raids, but the two big the first 4 months of the game were demanding skill wise.

Posted by chiablo

That looks a lot like Rogue Squadron II on the Gamecube... graphically. This looks pretty terrible.

Edited by TullyAckland

@fox01313: they specifically said that the space pvp is not on rails. You have full control of the ship.

Posted by NickDynmo

Just want to say that you should all try this game. I really do enjoy it, and wish it were more popular. It's a great game!

Posted by RE_Player1

I still subscribe. I like the game a lot.

Posted by Hailinel

I honestly forgot this game existed. And I'm still fascinated by how hard it fell over its own feet out of the gate. I wonder if it's actually in the black yet.

Posted by DonChipotle

I am still subbed to this game. I don't play it for the game part.

Posted by EDfromRED

I'm happy subscriber. It's like 8 KOTOR's in one!

It must still be popular because requests to enter PvP warzones are instantaneous!

Posted by Bakumatsu

@the_vein said:

Just an example for how fucking nickle and dime ToR is, to hide your head slot you have to spend money to unlock the ability to wear a helmet but not have it show up. Fuck those guys.

What bummed me out was the fact that to combine the colors of the armour, you have to pay. Way to go guys.

Edited by Hayt

The art style of SWTOR is a major bummer. KOTOR had it's own style which was a take on the Star Wars look, but then they made it an MMO and Sith turned from guys in bright silver armour into the Galactic Empire and now they've turned their ships into TIE fighters.

It's really kind of sad a setting as unique within the Star Wars universe as KOTOR is now just being dressed up as a cheap knock-off of the original trilogy.

Posted by Garviell

Kotor 1 and 2 were two of my all time favorite rpg's...

I honestly wasn't a massive star wars fan before those games but they made me one... ToR is basically like all other licences turned MMO, an attempt to make a wow style perpetual money machine. TeSO will be the same, it will be sorta like TES except bad.

Posted by Y2Ken

This game is actually a lot of fun if you want the experience of playing a KOTOR style game in co-op. That's what it felt like to me, going through the stories with two other friends. Apparently the end-game MMO stuff isn't great but if you want a fun time fighting with your friends over dialogue choices and doing jedi/bounty hunter shit, there's plenty of fun to be had here.

Just one big gripe: don't consider this F2P, think of it as a free trial. Past the early few levels you're really going to have to drop at least some money or you're going to have a bad time. And that's a shame, although honestly I think it's worth it.

Posted by kagato

I'll give it another go, i loved the jump to lightspeed stuff in Galaxies and although this is not quite the same thing, maybe its a step in that direction. I actually really liked the game but it just felt like a single player rpg with social stuff shoehorned in, it didnt have enough mmo stuff to justify the level grind, still, the experiance carries between flight and land missions so might be a way to get away from doing the same old thing.

Posted by Ravelle

Hey guys, The Old Republic is incredible, considering it's free to play. Its the best free MMO out there, and if you liked KotoR, you should give it a try. If you can get over all the restrictions, of course.

Or I could be passive aggressive about MMOs or something.

I jumped back in recently together with a friend and we're having a pretty good time so far.

Posted by Bones8677

Who do I have to make out with to get a stand-alone Star Wars space fighting game?

Posted by GunsAreDrawn

@patrickklepek, did'nt notice this was a digital expansion? You have to pay money to get access to this feature. It probably won't be worth it either.

Anyway, if you wanted to try the game, F2P or not it's a heavy grind and I'd say the best time to "jump in" is to wait for a double XP weekend. You can skip a lot of the planets this way and just focus on the story quests, because most of the side quests only serve as a distraction and aren't very good. Skipping planets is a must when you get to badly designed ones like Alderaan and Voss.

Posted by snaptroll

Visually it looks a bit worse than SWG: Jump to Lightspeed. Gameplay? I don't know, I only played SWTOR for about an hour at my friends place. Does this make me want to start playing SWTOR? Not really. I think I can speak for most people when I say: "Just make a new Tie Fighter."

Posted by Patman99

@amir90 said:

@patman99: Are you sure you remember correctly? The raids had some difficult sections, gear alone wasn´t enough. Not sure how it is now with all the new raids, but the two big the first 4 months of the game were demanding skill wise.

Do you mean the single group things? Because those were definitely all about simply grinding it out. The only one that my group found particularly difficult was one where they had roaming packs of elite enemies (gold star people) and that was only hard because you had to put out a certain amount of DPS or you would soon get mobbed by the roaming enemies. We never really did any of the multi-group stuff.

PvE was way stronger than PvP. Gear was not everything in PvE but it was (for the most part) in PvP. Which I guess is sorta understandable except a large number of people exploited their way to the top and the rest of us had to depend on random prize boxes to give us the gear we needed. Not fun, just grindy.

Posted by MeatSim

Just give me another Rogue Squadron game please.

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