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Posted by reelife

Im hyped for this game.

Posted by Bombzinski

In a post-Dishonored world, Thief had better be pretty good.

Lol is that supposed to mean that Dishonoured improved the Thief formula? Well anyway, the word of the street is, the new one is closer to Dishonoured than to the original, so I wouldn't worry.

Edited by The_Vein

I think the original Thief was better than Dishonored, though.

Posted by mbr2

Why even call it Thief when that name is not going to sell more to people who've never played any of the previous games and you'll just end up pissing off fans of the series?

Edited by Tennmuerti

In post Dishonored world? :/

I'm sorry Patrick but I feel like you're giving Dishonored way too much credit (i know you really liked it). But not everyone places it on quite such a pedestal. At least not as a stealth game.

It's cool to really like Dishonored, but it's starting to feel like it's negatively impacting how you treat other (similar) games. You know your opinions and impressions can easily influence a lot of people, subtly or otherwise. Let's not forget what happened with Deus Ex: Human Revolution, how many including yourself were very down on that game before release. Such a tide of negativity was a bit uncomfortable to witness. Not because it was negative, but because it had such a visible effect for little reason and the game turned out ok. A few negative remarks dropped here and there and you instantly saw people's reception sour on the game pre-release.

(im not specifically talking about this video only, but in general)

C'mon dude. I know you can be a bit more objective and/or open :)

Edited by The_Vein

Is this game a sequel or a reboot? They make it sound like Garrett is back from somewhere, like maybe he'd done the other Thief stuff, but he doesn't have a metal eye?

It looks better than I expected, I dunno about the set piece stuff but I guess that's what people want these days. And it seems like some trailers are making it sound like Garrett has some freedom fighter stuff going on--I'd rather him just be the deadpan mercenary from the first game who's out to steal everything he can get.

Edited by patrickklepek

In post Dishonored world? :/

I'm sorry Patrick but I feel like you're giving Dishonored way too much credit (i know you really liked it). But not everyone places it on quite such a pedestal. At least not as a stealth game.

It's cool to really like Dishonored, but it's starting to feel like it's negatively impacting how you treat other (similar) games. You know your opinions and impressions can easily influence a lot of people, subtly or otherwise. Let's not forget what happened with Deus Ex: Human Revolution, how many including yourself were very down on that game before release. Such a tide of negativity was a bit uncomfortable to witness. Not because it was negative, but because it had such a visible effect for little reason and the game turned out ok. A few negative remarks dropped here and there and you instantly saw people's reception sour on the game pre-release.

(im not specifically talking about this video only, but in general)

C'mon dude. I know you can be a bit more objective and/or open :)

Human Revolution made a poor impression when I first played it, yeah. So did Thief. I was wrong about Human Revolution, but here's the thing: it's nice to be wrong about a game being bad. But I'm also not about to lie regarding my time spent with a game ahead of release. Too many game "previews" give games the benefit of the doubt, and I'm happy to be surprised rather than mislead my readers. Remember Aliens: Colonial Marines?

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Posted by MildMolasses

The best parts of these trailers continues to be the hand reaching out from the smoke to steal the logo.

Edited by Tennmuerti

@mbr2 said:

Why even call it Thief when that name is not going to sell more to people who've never played any of the previous games and you'll just end up pissing off fans of the series?

Why would it necessarily piss off the fans?

You have the new Xcom and the new Deus Ex right there as prime examples that when done right these sequels can be accepted by both newcomers and the old guard. Sure there will always be the few fans that dislike a new entry, but as long as the games are ok we saw even those people that know the originals can generally come around.

Now if this was a very different beast like say the new Syndicate shooter or the new Legacy of Kain multiplayer thing, that are so far removed from the core of those games, you'd have more of a point.

Posted by Mr_Skeleton

It's not going to be like the old Thief games, I just want it to be a good stealth game and I will be happy enough.

Edited by Tennmuerti

@patrickklepek said:

@tennmuerti said:

In post Dishonored world? :/

I'm sorry Patrick but I feel like you're giving Dishonored way too much credit (i know you really liked it). But not everyone places it on quite such a pedestal. At least not as a stealth game.

It's cool to really like Dishonored, but it's starting to feel like it's negatively impacting how you treat other (similar) games. You know your opinions and impressions can easily influence a lot of people, subtly or otherwise. Let's not forget what happened with Deus Ex: Human Revolution, how many including yourself were very down on that game before release. Such a tide of negativity was a bit uncomfortable to witness. Not because it was negative, but because it had such a visible effect for little reason and the game turned out ok. A few negative remarks dropped here and there and you instantly saw people's reception sour on the game pre-release.

(im not specifically talking about this video only, but in general)

C'mon dude. I know you can be a bit more objective and/or open :)

Human Revolution made a poor impression when I first played it, yeah. So did Thief. I was wrong about Human Revolution, but here's the thing: it's nice to be wrong about a game being bad. But I'm also not about to lie regarding my time spent with a game ahead of release. Too many game "previews" give games the benefit of the doubt, and I'm happy to be surprised rather than mislead my readers. Remember Aliens: Colonial Marines?

I see where you're coming from. (and touche about A:CM)

But you also already conveyed those negative impressions no? No need to bring down a game further, I feel. Especially not by comparing it to (for the sake of example Dishonored) a game that yes you personally think is the new how shit in stealth (or at least always mention highly), something that other fans of the genre would lets say question.

It's weird. On one hand GB is all about personal impressions and judgements. On the other we are getting into the territory of stating somethings quality as fact, when it's at the very least a debatable one. Which is another thing i personally don't feel comfortable with i guess.

Either way, i think you get my point. Even if it might be a bit misguided. And cheers for taking the time to reply.

( shit i even enjoyed Dishonored myself for the most part :P )

Edited by Nardak

The new thief game might be bad but Dishonored itself is a direct offspring of Thief games.

At its time Thief games were the stealth games to beat. Often they were a tad frustrating with having to remember the paths that guards took and then plan the route to take according to an excact timetable.

But the main plots in Thief games were excellent.

Posted by BenderUnit22

People give Dishonored too much credit. The game had barely a story (I learned more about what's going on from the first loading screen than the opening cutscenes) and the parts that supposedly elevate it above other stealth games in the eyes of stealth-game haters are the parts that make it not a stealth game.

Edited by FakeKisser

I so want to pre-order this (great deal on GMG right now) and love it, as I'm a huge Thief and stealth fan. However, I am to wary after reading/watching previews. I really hope they turn it around, but I think I have to wait until closer to release...

The stuff about quick-time evens particular makes me nervous.

Posted by Archer88

@the_vein said:

Is this game a sequel or a reboot? They make it sound like Garrett is back from somewhere, like maybe he'd done the other Thief stuff, but he doesn't have a metal eye?

It looks better than I expected, I dunno about the set piece stuff but I guess that's what people want these days. And it seems like some trailers are making it sound like Garrett has some freedom fighter stuff going on--I'd rather him just be the deadpan mercenary from the first game who's out to steal everything he can get.

It appears to be a sequel since the trailer shows them rebuilding the clock tower. As for the freedom fighter angle, Garrett always gets tied up in something larger than just stealing whatever he can get his hands on.

Posted by Nasar7

It better be way better than Dishonored, that's for sure. I feel asleep multiple times trying to play that game.

Edited by Atwa

How can you improve perfection? Thief 1 and 2 are still to this day the best stealth games ever made.

Posted by Christoffer

"To remain free in the city of chains, that is still the greatest prize". I will remeber that line when I become a post-apocalyptic revolutionary leader. Right before I get fusilladed.

Posted by Blu3V3nom07

I'm really looking forward to this one. I never managed to jump on the old stuff, so now this is cool.

Posted by VoshiNova

I'd say way to modernize the thief series, but it looks like they have only managed to fuck it up.

This is a situation where I would absolutely prefer more of the same. They could remake Metal Age levels with this engine and I would flip my lid.

Posted by Scorch

I feel like people were impressed with Dishonored the same way that people who never played Fallout 1/2 were impressed with Fallout 3.

Posted by EPGPX

@tennmuerti said:

In post Dishonored world? :/

I'm sorry Patrick but I feel like you're giving Dishonored way too much credit (i know you really liked it). But not everyone places it on quite such a pedestal. At least not as a stealth game.

It's cool to really like Dishonored, but it's starting to feel like it's negatively impacting how you treat other (similar) games. You know your opinions and impressions can easily influence a lot of people, subtly or otherwise. Let's not forget what happened with Deus Ex: Human Revolution, how many including yourself were very down on that game before release. Such a tide of negativity was a bit uncomfortable to witness. Not because it was negative, but because it had such a visible effect for little reason and the game turned out ok. A few negative remarks dropped here and there and you instantly saw people's reception sour on the game pre-release.

(im not specifically talking about this video only, but in general)

C'mon dude. I know you can be a bit more objective and/or open :)

Human Revolution made a poor impression when I first played it, yeah. So did Thief. I was wrong about Human Revolution, but here's the thing: it's nice to be wrong about a game being bad. But I'm also not about to lie regarding my time spent with a game ahead of release. Too many game "previews" give games the benefit of the doubt, and I'm happy to be surprised rather than mislead my readers. Remember Aliens: Colonial Marines?

I liked Aliens: Colonial Marines. It wasn't super spectacular but fun for what it was. Not a triple A title but a get to point a to point b run thru guns blazing type of game. I guess since I enjoyed the Alien movies, I appreciated the game a bit more. Yeah the game could have been better and taken a more serious approach with better game mechanics and whatnot but it was entertaining at the least.

Posted by BBQBram

Aesthetically this reminds me of Dishonored without any of the flair and imagination. It just looks and sounds like it's trying way too hard to be cool. A lot of games do this but here it's really bland. SHADOWS. DARKNESS.

Dishonored might not be as pure of a stealth game but the Deus Ex DNA infused in there makes it a hell of a lot more interesting.

Edited by Cybertification

So we just have to hope that they either cancel it or that it is nothing like the trailer?

If it is anything like this it's going to be absolute garbage. It looks nothing like thief.

Also, why are there HUGE BUILDINGS FALLING!? Overreaction aside, that doesn't belong in any stealth game, let alone Thief.

I'm not even a huge thief fan, I like the first two but never finished them.

Posted by snazzle

I must say, as someone who has never played this before, it looks absolutely wonderful. Can't wait!

Posted by Doomduck

Woah! Turned into Uncharted towards the end there.

Edited by Humanity

@tennmuerti: I think Dishonored was a pretty good stealth game. The one major complaint I had was the lack of indicators letting you know when you're hidden from enemy sight. Apart from that it really offered an unparalleled range of movement and a dynamic flow that you hardly ever see in the slow and methodical stealth genre.

That said, the only thing bothering me about the reboot is his bow which I think is a bit much but hey whatever, as long as it plays good.

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Edited by L33T_HAXOR

@mbr2 said:

Why even call it Thief when that name is not going to sell more to people who've never played any of the previous games and you'll just end up pissing off fans of the series?

Yeah, Thief is not supposed to be Deus Ex, its supposed to be straight-up pure stealth. No skill trees, no experience points, no QTEs, etc. This is a Thief game in name only.

EDIT: That trailer was pretty good though.

Posted by Efesell

@atwa said:

How can you improve perfection? Thief 1 and 2 are still to this day the best stealth games ever made.

I might have thought this..until I played them again.

Then you find that shadows are just straight up invisibility cloaks and nobody in the game has AI capable of finding someone that's making even the slightest effort to stay hidden.

Edited by m16mojo2

LOL! F***ing Pre-order DLC bs. "The Bank Heist"... Yeah, um, I'll just play the game, and call every mission a "Heist."

I'm beginning to fear that "heist" is becoming the new buzzword, or at the very least a cheap, and lazy exploit from gaming PR. I have no issue with heist missions, if done well. I.E. GTA V, Payday, etc.

Just don't try and sell it to me in a game called, "Thief"

Posted by Pixeldemon

People give Dishonored too much credit. The game had barely a story (I learned more about what's going on from the first loading screen than the opening cutscenes) and the parts that supposedly elevate it above other stealth games in the eyes of stealth-game haters are the parts that make it not a stealth game.

Dishonored's story was very "light" and it definitely had serious pacing issues (arguably the biggest plot thread gets resolved half-way through the game, so they had to add a fairly cliche twist). But over-all it actually showed A LOT of restraint and never went off-the-rails stupid or anything.

Game mechanics were pretty solid, and the distinction between High Chaos and Low Chaos almost gives players two games in one (a fun action game and a stealth game). Because the High Chaos style was so appealing, I actually liked that it required patience and restraint to resist the temptation just to kill everyone when playing the stealth way.

Posted by MeatSim

Can I bring Packie along on the Bank Heist? I barely got to use him in GTA5.

Posted by crithon

the game I'm more excited about

Edited by defector

I loved all three Thief games, and I've never even played Dishonored. I hope new Thief retains the style of old Thief, at least.

And Thief practically invented the stealth game genre.

Posted by logan3

Gawd, it better not be like Dishonored -- that game sucked. Please Thief, don't be Dishonored.

Posted by fishless

@mbr2:

Because they own the name. And then the game won't be call "an Assassin's Creed clone".

Posted by Spoonman671

Everybody remembers where they were during the earth-shattering event that was Dishonored's release day.

Edited by Wilshere

Just discovered "The Dark Mod". Suddenly the Thief release isn't an event.

Edited by Hayt

I'm open minded, whatever changes they make here the originals will continue to exist. The lack of everything that made the City interesting is a bit alarming though. Not a single taffer. I hope this ends up more like Human Revolution and less Higman Absolution

Posted by MoonwalkSA

I take issue with that caption. Dishonored was a good game, but it was total shit as a stealth game.

Thief is and always has been The Stealth Game, so the more it sticks to the originals, the better.

Posted by chilipeppersman

@bbqbram: i totally disagree. this looks like a lot more cinematic, fun, better looking version of dishonored. to each their own.

Posted by HerbieBug

This better be an actual stealth game, Eidos, I swear to god. D:

Edited by EXCellR8

Thief is gonna wipe the floor with Dishonored... my disappointment of 2012.

I loved Human Revolution but it definitely had some issues.

Posted by Topiary

I loved Dishonored, but it lacked an incentive to really explore the levels like you had in the Thief games. There was a ton of awesome stuff put into that game that was really easy to miss if you just beelined for the objective. Incentivising exploration really would have solved a large chunk of that game's problems.

Posted by Karkarov

I don't know, can't say I found dishonored all that great. You could use stealth but it was often just simpler to brutalize your way through. The stealth bits also didn't feel particularly... great. So I am hoping it does better than dishonored as well, then it won't be mediocre.

Posted by tsutohiro

Please be good. Please be great. Please be epic.

Edited by YuriAndrogynopov

"Post Dishonoured world" Ah yes video game journalism.

Cant wait for Thief 4 to be absolutely goddam awful but get rave reviews because the download works and runs when clicked on.

Edited by BeachThunder

@patrickklepek I loved Dishonored, but I think you're being far too sensationalist in your captions...

Although, I suppose that's just what I can expect in a post-Patrick-moves-to-Chicago world.

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